I dont know about Oklahoma. I know in OHIO there is no such law. Many people dont have drivers license(or are on suspension), and most are told not to carry documents such as birth certificate or social security card on their person. Others who are not operating a vehicle or making purchases, leave their home without carrying extra baggage or paperwork with them. I have never heard of this law anywhere, but I will be sure in the future to research before deciding upon where to live. Required to carry ID just because I am not at my home seems far fetched and intrusive....

Aww...threatening violence?? How utterly Liberal of you. That's one of their favorite tactics.

America isn't mine?? Who's, praytell, IS it then?

I KNOW what a Liberal is, sweets. And you fit the bill PERFECTLY. You loathe humanity and think we are a scourge on the planet and would be perfectly happy if humans were wiped out completely so Mother Earth could " heal " herself.

You want everyone treated equally...and if they CAN'T be treated equally, then you want to see the government give them handouts so that their feelings aren't hurt.

By the way....since America isn't " mine "...and the Federal Laws don't seem to apply ( in your version of that little box you want to live in anyway ) then the Local and State laws that say your house and property are yours don't apply either. If America's laws don't count, then they had no power to allow states to form. Therefore, all state and local laws are null and void as well. That makes your house fair game just like you want America to be.

You always want to have your cake and eat it too. But, unfortunately for you, it simply doesn't work that way.

True. In Arizona, Mexican and South American gangs and drug cartels are taking over many small towns.

Phoenix has been named the US kidnap capital. 98% of the kidnaps are committed by hispanics.

Arizona is a very popular drug route also.

So how else are we going to know who belongs here??? If you know your ID number that is enough for them to go on. They look it upon a computer and your picture comes up on it.

Also dragoness, you really need to evaluate your position this a lot more. First and foremost your attitude is that of a person that says "It is fine as long as it doesn't come into my house." Do us all a favor, watch the movie Dr. Zhivago. There is a scene in it where the doctor comes home to see a bunch of uniform wearing old people telling him he has to leave his house because it is too big for him and that he is entitled 35 sq meters of living space. Imagine loosing your house you earned to a pack of people who did nothing to earn such a home. America is our home, not Mexico's, not China's, not any other country's. Illegal immigrants are like squatters and we all have issues with them. What would you do if you came into your house and me and several people made ourselves at home in your house? OH! Your going to get mad? What if we invaded your house and brought guns? "Oh I'm going to call the police???" you would be dead before you got to the phone. What then??? Oh boo hoo, why did we let all those illegal immigrants in in the first place?

They are squatters and they bring crime here in abundance as a natural consequence. Some illegals are good people trying to make a living like the rest of us but the rest of us live to the standard of the land and now you come along telling us we need to change that standard because it rubs your personal sensitivities wrong??? Take it to a granola chewing liberal who gives a damn. Your attacks of those of us who don't see your world view is childish to put it gently.

Humans are more dangerous than you think. Look at the damage illegal immigration has caused already? How many more AMERICAN victims of illegal immigrants will it take for you to see we need to act on this rather than take this laissez-fair attitude of yours?

Oh again, as long as it doesn't come into my house why should I care? Does that attitude actually do anything for you dating?

If you are in favor of this bill you are in favor of Americans losing their civil rights for the hatred of other humans.

That is wrong in my book.

Please provide your sources.

From where I stand you stand in the wrong so why should I reevaluate my stance?

If you are in favor of this bill you are in favor of Americans losing their civil rights for the hatred of other humans.

That is wrong in my book.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE4979VW20081008?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Criminals targeted in U.S. "kidnap capital"
Tim Gaynor
PHOENIX
Wed Oct 8, 2008 2:57pm EDT

PHOENIX (Reuters) - The criminal underworld in the sun-baked Arizona capital of Phoenix has long enjoyed the hot money profits from illicit smuggling of drugs and people over the border from Mexico.

U.S. | Lifestyle

But now its members are living in fear as they are stalked by kidnappers after their proceeds, authorities say.

Police in the desert city say specialized kidnap rings are snatching suspected criminals and their families from their homes, running them off the roads and even grabbing them at shopping malls in a spiraling spate of abductions.

"Phoenix is ground zero for illegal narcotics smuggling and illegal human smuggling in the United States," said Phil Roberts, a Phoenix Police Department detective.

"There's a lot of illegal cash out there in the valley, and a lot of people want to get their hands on it."

Last year alone, Phoenix police reported 357 extortion-related abductions -- up by nearly half from 2005 -- targeting individuals with ties to Mexican smuggling rings.

In addition, federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement police have also recorded cases of kidnappers snatching illegal immigrant day laborers off the street for ransom.

Agents have also recorded a growing number of "virtual kidnappings," in which abductors cold-call an immigrant's family falsely claiming that they are holding them hostage. The tactic is used frequently Mexico, where abduction is a lucrative and sophisticated industry.

BEATINGS AND TORTURE

Each year, hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants are smuggled through Arizona from Mexico, most heading on to join relatives living and working in the shadows in towns and cities across the United States.

The desert state also straddles a furiously trafficked corridor for drugs, especially marijuana, more than 400 tons of which were seized last year by the U.S. Border Patrol alone. Profits from the two crimes amount to billions of dollars.

Police say the kidnappers are most often Mexican criminals, sometimes helped by local street gangs in Phoenix. They single out cash-flush targets from among the drug traffickers and "coyotes" -- as human smugglers are known -- in the criminal community.

Cell members may trail identified targets for a couple of days, looking for the moment to pounce. Others may be asking around, looking for likely victims, often big spenders "who throw their money around" in bars and clubs, Roberts said.

Aside from the smugglers themselves, victims have included their wives, girlfriends and even children. They are often held in darkened rooms where they are routinely beaten, tortured or sexually assaulted to extort a ransom that can range from $50,000 to $1 million.

Police recordings of ransom calls reveal the kidnappers' brutality. In one 2006 call, the abductors had bound a victim with tape, placed him in a bathtub and called his ex-wife to demand money as they threatened him with a hacksaw.

"I want you to understand something. I have him in the bathtub right now and I'm about to cut his (expletive) hand off," the kidnapper says. "Which hand do you want? The left or the right?"

SNATCHED BY MISTAKE

The surge in kidnappings has earned Phoenix the tag of U.S. "kidnap capital" among law enforcement authorities.

ICE says the spike stems from tighter enforcement on the porous Arizona-Mexico border in recent years, which has made smuggling harder and load stealing, virtual kidnapping and targeted abductions a more attractive alternative.

The Arizona Department of Public Safety, ICE and Phoenix police work closely together to combat human smuggling rings, especially those that use violence.

Phoenix police also has a dedicated kidnapping team to tackle the growing wave of abductions, and officers say they are arresting more of the perpetrators.

Investigators say the activity remains largely contained within the criminal underworld in the city as a "bad guy kidnapping bad guy" activity.

But as the round of abductions continues across Phoenix, with as many as three kidnappings on one particularly busy day, police are concerned that innocent people will get hurt.

In one recent kidnapping, a 14-year-old girl from south Phoenix was mistakenly picked up on the street by a gun-toting snatch squad looking for the daughter of a known drug dealer. The girl was subsequently released by her captors.

"She happened to be standing outside in front of the home ... they grabbed her in broad daylight ... threw her in the vehicle and took off," said Roberts.

"Here is the perfect example of a young girl who has nothing to do with this, her family has nothing to do with this, she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Okay..... let's look at this hypothetical situation. Why don't we start detaining and tossing everyone in this country with brown eyes in concentration camps because they might be of an ethnicity that lends them to be here with out documentation... so this would include those from central and south america... arabic and muslim countries, africa... hhhmmmmmm.... OH! eastern european countries.... OH OH OH and don't forget Asia!

And maybe we should toss in that everyone with anything but blonde hair should be pulled over by the police also and questioned! YEAH! This would solve all of America's problems!

People we got ourselves a Globalist here! I do HATE humans! All flavors of them. I take people on an individual basis. I am so in favor of this bill like you don't even know. If it were legal for me to sit out on the border with a .50 caliber and shoot at illegal immigrants I would! Better yet I would run them down in a pickup truck to spare the bullets. Why don't you move to France and live in the nightmare their open door immigration got them! Better yet move to China. They are the ones taking over now! Want to complain about how bad we are? We try to make countries a better place and the locals screw it all up. Many privat foundations have tried where our government has failed. Israel didn't make Palestine a toilet. The locals did. Mexico? We sure didn't make the mess they are in, they did! So we are supposed to take on the world's surplus population and do what for them? Free rides for all of them while the rest of us support them? Spend you money on them, not mine. I am having a tough enough time making a living and feeding myself!

Fuque humanity, instead of sending third world nations food we need to send them guns and birth control so they can thin themselves down and deal with their own crime problems. Why is America great? We used to be responsible. We didn't have 20 kids for the sake of having kids. Most of us don't victimize one another. We had standards to live up to that made us great and now this?

You just set our nation back about fifty years!

I love these slippery slope fallacies! Wake up, if you can't prove you are from here then maybe it is possible you don't belong here! I carry a driver's license with me 99.99% of the time because I have to identify myself as a legal vehicle operator. When I worked at LAX and McDonald Douglas I had to have an ID badge on my person! This whole profiling thing is a crock! How many white folks strap bombs to themselves and blow up bus stops in the name of Allah? This hypothesis is not a good one. Come up with a better one and MAYBE there can be some shred of credibility to his argument.

'If/ then' conditionals are such horse poo!

No, you keep us stuck in our racist ways of the last two centuries.

I know many individuals that have driver's licenses and are undocumented immigrants.

So, do you expect to be asked for your birth certificate everytime you are pulled over.

Guess what, if someone is pulled over and doesn't have their driver's license .... they receive a ticket and are asked to show up in court. If you are driving without a license, then you breaking the law. If you are driving with a license you are not breaking the law, so why should you be pulled over because your physical features 'may' indicate that you don't have a driver's license.

Cause believe me! I know a lot more Americans that are driving without a license and they are not getting pulled over!

Well now, I DON'T shop at Walmart. There are laws against sweat shops here. Hell, my grandmother was a Lowell Girl. The fact is Unions drove out most of the work here. Benefits are assumed to be mandatory when they are not. A lot of people here are payed way to much for what they do. But equating this to illegal immigration is a fallacy of relevance.

How can you even dare to compare the two?

I have been pulled over and didn't have my license before but they looked me up and I offered a logical reason why I forgot it. I never got a ticket for driving without a license except for one time I forgot to renewed it and all it cost me was $10 after I shown them a renewed license. Please, Illegals with driver's licenses. Can you say FAKE ID!

No not fake id's. 5 forms of identification is what is required in the state of michigan to get a driver's license.

And in the state of michigan, if you are driving without your license, you may be arrested and have your car impounded, fingerprinted and released with a ticket and court date. But guess what, a lot of individuals who are pulled over without a license are let go with a ticket, if a licensed driver is with them.