Topic: Obama Calls Arizona Immigration Bill 'Misguided'
AndyBgood's photo
Fri 04/23/10 11:53 PM
He is right you know! Why did China build a wall? To prevent invasion.

Thomas3474's photo
Sat 04/24/10 12:28 AM
You have to ask yourself how many dead Americans is going to be enough due to illegal aliens in this country?The majority of gangs in California including the MS13 are illegals.How would you feel if one of your family members was killed due to a illegal who had been previously arrested 20 times and not deported?

I am getting tired of illegals saying their rights are being violated when they are not even citizens of this country.What rights?You have rights in the country you came from and are still a citizen of.Enough of this nonsense.Arizona is a ray of light in a tunnel of darkness.

As far as Obama calling this misguided.He might as well kiss that second term goodbye.Americans are going to remember that come next election.That was one of the dumbest things I have heard a president say.Is he saying upholding the laws of this country is misguided and wrong?Is he saying all the crime from illegals shouldn't be stopped?That we should keep paying billions to them every year so they can send their money to Mexico?Obama wake up!The majority of Americans have always been against illegal aliens.The only thing thats misguided is your brain.If Obama likes the illegals so much maybe he move the white house to Mexico.He cares more about them then he does us.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 04/24/10 12:50 AM

Simple analysis: If they weren't in OUR country ILLEGALLY, this would not even be a problem. But they ARE here illegally. I'm quite happy to see that AZ is ballsy enough to take the steps that are needed to stop the pre-positioning of hostile troops who owe allegiance to a foreign flag on OUR soil. They need to go. Good on ya, AZ ... and FY, Bo'ROCK ...


Sheriff Joe has already been tackling this issue for years......

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Sat 04/24/10 12:54 AM

You have to ask yourself how many dead Americans is going to be enough due to illegal aliens in this country?The majority of gangs in California including the MS13 are illegals.How would you feel if one of your family members was killed due to a illegal who had been previously arrested 20 times and not deported?

I am getting tired of illegals saying their rights are being violated when they are not even citizens of this country.What rights?You have rights in the country you came from and are still a citizen of.Enough of this nonsense.Arizona is a ray of light in a tunnel of darkness.

As far as Obama calling this misguided.He might as well kiss that second term goodbye.Americans are going to remember that come next election.That was one of the dumbest things I have heard a president say.Is he saying upholding the laws of this country is misguided and wrong?Is he saying all the crime from illegals shouldn't be stopped?That we should keep paying billions to them every year so they can send their money to Mexico?Obama wake up!The majority of Americans have always been against illegal aliens.The only thing thats misguided is your brain.If Obama likes the illegals so much maybe he move the white house to Mexico.He cares more about them then he does us.



or perhaps he is thinking with logic and not just emotion,,,

'The new measure requires police officers to stop any person they suspect of being an illegal alien and ask them for proof of their immigration status. In addition, the law would punish people who hire or transport illegal aliens. '


TWO issues right off the bat(and I am no fan of illegal immigration) are the words 'requires' and 'suspect'.

The former(requires) could open the doors for senseless litigation surrounding whether an officer should have suspected illegality and the latter (suspect)is too vague a definition if there isnt some qualifier that some other crime is first suspected upon which such a suspicion of illegality could be founded.

the bill definitely needs better defining,,,
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markumX's photo
Sat 04/24/10 03:33 AM


I agree.

Taking away citizens civil rights to legal search and seizure is not the way to go.




There's just one TEENY TINY little thing you are forgetting.

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!!!!

They are here ILLEGALLY!

Why can't you people get that through your heads??

THEY BROKE FEDERAL LAW!!!


not true it's only similar to a misdemenor otherwise the law would have been changed..i'm pretty sure mitt romney owned you neocons on this fable during the campaign

willing2's photo
Sat 04/24/10 07:08 AM

You have to ask yourself how many dead Americans is going to be enough due to illegal aliens in this country?The majority of gangs in California including the MS13 are illegals.How would you feel if one of your family members was killed due to a illegal who had been previously arrested 20 times and not deported?

I am getting tired of illegals saying their rights are being violated when they are not even citizens of this country.What rights?You have rights in the country you came from and are still a citizen of.Enough of this nonsense.Arizona is a ray of light in a tunnel of darkness.

As far as Obama calling this misguided.He might as well kiss that second term goodbye.Americans are going to remember that come next election.That was one of the dumbest things I have heard a president say.Is he saying upholding the laws of this country is misguided and wrong?Is he saying all the crime from illegals shouldn't be stopped?That we should keep paying billions to them every year so they can send their money to Mexico?Obama wake up!The majority of Americans have always been against illegal aliens.The only thing thats misguided is your brain.If Obama likes the illegals so much maybe he move the white house to Mexico.He cares more about them then he does us.


B.O. stinks. That's a given.

When he weighs the dollars in his pockets against the will of the people, guess what wins out?

InvictusV's photo
Sat 04/24/10 08:09 AM
'The new measure requires police officers to stop any person they suspect of being an illegal alien and ask them for proof of their immigration status. In addition, the law would punish people who hire or transport illegal aliens. '


Where did you copy that from?

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/24/10 08:31 AM

'The new measure requires police officers to stop any person they suspect of being an illegal alien and ask them for proof of their immigration status. In addition, the law would punish people who hire or transport illegal aliens. '


Where did you copy that from?



from the OP

dicimus01's photo
Sat 04/24/10 08:46 AM

What's Hussein got to hide and why wouldn't he want all those pesky illegals sent home?slaphead

The new measure requires police officers to stop any person they suspect of being an illegal alien and ask them for proof of their immigration status. In addition, the law would punish people who hire or transport illegal aliens.<<This part is already Federal Law. Hussein finds Federal Law misguided????

The new laws says if you rob a bank, beat your wife, slap your neighbor, get stopped for breaking the law, you have to prove your status.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 04/24/10 08:53 AM



I agree.

Taking away citizens civil rights to legal search and seizure is not the way to go.




There's just one TEENY TINY little thing you are forgetting.

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!!!!

They are here ILLEGALLY!

Why can't you people get that through your heads??

THEY BROKE FEDERAL LAW!!!


not true it's only similar to a misdemenor otherwise the law would have been changed..i'm pretty sure mitt romney owned you neocons on this fable during the campaign


Oh I see.

So the crime, just because it's only a misdemeanor, isn't actually a crime.

They didn't actually break any serious law, right?

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/24/10 08:55 AM


What's Hussein got to hide and why wouldn't he want all those pesky illegals sent home?slaphead

The new measure requires police officers to stop any person they suspect of being an illegal alien and ask them for proof of their immigration status. In addition, the law would punish people who hire or transport illegal aliens.<<This part is already Federal Law. Hussein finds Federal Law misguided????

The new laws says if you rob a bank, beat your wife, slap your neighbor, get stopped for breaking the law, you have to prove your status.



ok,, if a crime has been committed.. status seems more reasonable,,, what does the law say about what constitutes 'status' and at what times do we have to carry this? Will showing my drivers license be enough and does this mean I have to carry ID on me at all times(whether driving or not)?

dicimus01's photo
Sat 04/24/10 09:09 AM
Edited by dicimus01 on Sat 04/24/10 09:10 AM



What's Hussein got to hide and why wouldn't he want all those pesky illegals sent home?slaphead

The new measure requires police officers to stop any person they suspect of being an illegal alien and ask them for proof of their immigration status. In addition, the law would punish people who hire or transport illegal aliens.<<This part is already Federal Law. Hussein finds Federal Law misguided????

The new laws says if you rob a bank, beat your wife, slap your neighbor, get stopped for breaking the law, you have to prove your status.



ok,, if a crime has been committed.. status seems more reasonable,,, what does the law say about what constitutes 'status' and at what times do we have to carry this? Will showing my drivers license be enough and does this mean I have to carry ID on me at all times(whether driving or not)?
I have been required to carry ID since I signed up for the draft. IT'S THE LAW

InvictusV's photo
Sat 04/24/10 09:13 AM



What's Hussein got to hide and why wouldn't he want all those pesky illegals sent home?slaphead

The new measure requires police officers to stop any person they suspect of being an illegal alien and ask them for proof of their immigration status. In addition, the law would punish people who hire or transport illegal aliens.<<This part is already Federal Law. Hussein finds Federal Law misguided????

The new laws says if you rob a bank, beat your wife, slap your neighbor, get stopped for breaking the law, you have to prove your status.



ok,, if a crime has been committed.. status seems more reasonable,,, what does the law say about what constitutes 'status' and at what times do we have to carry this? Will showing my drivers license be enough and does this mean I have to carry ID on me at all times(whether driving or not)?


They aren't going to make an immediate determination of someones status.. The bill clearly states that the officers will have to coordinate with ICE to determine someones status and the course of action that follows.. The part of this bill with the most impact in my opinion is that all cities, towns, counties are required to ascertain status of all those that are arrested and if they don't they can be sued.. No more sanctuary cities in Arizona..

boredinaz06's photo
Sat 04/24/10 10:06 AM
Edited by boredinaz06 on Sat 04/24/10 10:58 AM

Here is the link to the actual bill, here you will see that in order for someones status as a citizen to come into question the must first be stopped for a violation.


http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/h.sb1070_04-19-10_astransmittedtogovernor.doc.htm

AndyBgood's photo
Sat 04/24/10 10:40 AM



I agree.

Taking away citizens civil rights to legal search and seizure is not the way to go.




There's just one TEENY TINY little thing you are forgetting.

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!!!!

They are here ILLEGALLY!

Why can't you people get that through your heads??

THEY BROKE FEDERAL LAW!!!


Felony or misdemeanor, breaking the law is still breaking the law. Now say said Illegal is transporting Heroin across the border? Now it is a felony.

not true it's only similar to a misdemenor otherwise the law would have been changed..i'm pretty sure mitt romney owned you neocons on this fable during the campaign


You really do live in a fantasy! Who is Mitt Romney again? OH! He is a republican congressman of Massachusetts. Well, I sure don't listen to anyone from Massachusetts! I have been against illegal immigration LONG before he took power there.

The fact is a lot of illegals come here because their own countries are toilets. Look at Mexico. They can't even get a handle on the drug lords there and crime is so bad they barely have any sense of law and order. It is like Afghanistan right on our own damn border. Instead of coming here maybe they should do something to straighten out their country like Killing off Taliban and crime lords and gangs instead of whining about how bad their countries are from here. I am sick of this mentality that someone else has to solve all their problems.

All of these "poor" countries we give aid to just get worst. Why? because the people living there suck. Why? They overpopulate and have children they cannot afford, they resort to victimizing everyone around them like animals to survive, they all fall back on religious ignorance rather than try to do something to help their community.

Now granted this is a generalization but look at Haiti, Mexico, most of Africa like Somalia, Rwanda, etc. At least China took the first steps to zero population growth. Many pro Islamic nations are a lot like Mexico with a different religion. The religious enforcers are a lot like Mexican drug lords.

Now you come to this country spewing about how messed up some of us are about immigration? Why, because a lot of us don't want our boarders open to anyone wanting to come here? Well, this is our house and you are a (bad) guest. You dare to think you being here illegally is some kind of honor?

That is a criminal mindset! Doing the wrong thing in the name of the right reason is still a wrong! I bet you have no aspirations to naturalize or get properly bonded to be here. If that is the case I hope the tears you cry when you are caught are caught on film.

I said it before and I well say it again. I have no respect for illegal aliens. I do respect the ones who at least try to legalize. Those are the only people here illegally I have any respect at all for.

I would NEVER EVER enter a mosque wearing shoes out of respect for Islam even if I am not Islamic yet you come into our house wearing muddy boots.

Weak!

I would bet money that people with your mind set slammed Jumbo Jets into the WTC with hearts filled with prejudice and hate thinking they were doing God's work.

Dude, get legal before you get caught otherwise don't say squat when you are. The political momentum is leaning towards clearing our nation of illegal immigrants. It is only a matter of time when it really does become open season on illegal immigrants. How bad do you think it will be then for illegals?

I have a question for you, You are on a dating site and you brag openly about being here illegally. Do you honestly think any American woman is going to want to get involved with you knowing that? Hell, I have been hit up by illegal women trying to convince me to marry them for the easy in. Why? I am here legally! Heck I am American Born. Are you trying to get in on the easy plan by marrying in? Try offering a substantial sum of money. That sometimes works.

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Sat 04/24/10 01:25 PM



What's Hussein got to hide and why wouldn't he want all those pesky illegals sent home?slaphead

The new measure requires police officers to stop any person they suspect of being an illegal alien and ask them for proof of their immigration status. In addition, the law would punish people who hire or transport illegal aliens.<<This part is already Federal Law. Hussein finds Federal Law misguided????

The new laws says if you rob a bank, beat your wife, slap your neighbor, get stopped for breaking the law, you have to prove your status.



ok,, if a crime has been committed.. status seems more reasonable,,, what does the law say about what constitutes 'status' and at what times do we have to carry this? Will showing my drivers license be enough and does this mean I have to carry ID on me at all times(whether driving or not)?



In Oklahoma, it's been illegal to be out in public w/o an i.d. for the last couple of decades or so.
And I believe, if I'm not too much mistaken, the federal Homeland Security Act give police the option to detain anyone w/o proper i.d. for being a possible terrorist. That is, detained until status can be determined or indefinitly. Whichever they like.

no photo
Sat 04/24/10 01:31 PM

how's this not racially motivated..i bet the arizona police aren't pulling over any asians or russians.
<<<<illegal and proud :D


last I checked, there aren't too many illegal Asians or Russians invading Arizona.

And why am I not surprized...

no photo
Sat 04/24/10 01:42 PM



I agree.

Taking away citizens civil rights to legal search and seizure is not the way to go.




There's just one TEENY TINY little thing you are forgetting.

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!!!!

They are here ILLEGALLY!

Why can't you people get that through your heads??

THEY BROKE FEDERAL LAW!!!



I think the point is that their status is ASSUMED until after the search and seizure, meaning that many citizens will indeed be wrongfully searched,,,,


Gee, that does sound familiar. I wonder if that's been done before...
Oh yeah, I remember, Germany, 1930's. Some douchbag w/ a funny mustache started it.

I'm all for catching (and not releasing) illegals, people here illegally, but that new law is a little too vague and a little too reminicient of Hitler's Germany for my tastes.
Can anyone say "papers PLEASE!"

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sat 04/24/10 05:01 PM




I agree.

Taking away citizens civil rights to legal search and seizure is not the way to go.




There's just one TEENY TINY little thing you are forgetting.

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!!!!

They are here ILLEGALLY!

Why can't you people get that through your heads??

THEY BROKE FEDERAL LAW!!!



I think the point is that their status is ASSUMED until after the search and seizure, meaning that many citizens will indeed be wrongfully searched,,,,


Gee, that does sound familiar. I wonder if that's been done before...
Oh yeah, I remember, Germany, 1930's. Some douchbag w/ a funny mustache started it.

I'm all for catching (and not releasing) illegals, people here illegally, but that new law is a little too vague and a little too reminicient of Hitler's Germany for my tastes.
Can anyone say "papers PLEASE!"


The law doesn't even come close to what you're portraying it as. I'd be more concerned about REAL ID if I were you.scared

AndyBgood's photo
Sat 04/24/10 05:12 PM




I agree.

Taking away citizens civil rights to legal search and seizure is not the way to go.




There's just one TEENY TINY little thing you are forgetting.

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!!!!

They are here ILLEGALLY!

Why can't you people get that through your heads??

THEY BROKE FEDERAL LAW!!!



I think the point is that their status is ASSUMED until after the search and seizure, meaning that many citizens will indeed be wrongfully searched,,,,


Gee, that does sound familiar. I wonder if that's been done before...
Oh yeah, I remember, Germany, 1930's. Some douchbag w/ a funny mustache started it.

I'm all for catching (and not releasing) illegals, people here illegally, but that new law is a little too vague and a little too reminicient of Hitler's Germany for my tastes.
Can anyone say "papers PLEASE!"


And Obama's actions don't parallel Hitler either?

Sorry but when asked for ID I show it to the cops. If I don't have it on me I know my SS and my DL by heart. If you are asked for ID in ANY state and you can't produce it or a valid ID number of some kind they can reference and believe me, with the computerized systems the police use these days they can tell if you are pulling their leg or not. One way to tell an illegal alien, they don't speak any English at all. There are a rare few Naturalized Americans who don't and they are RARE flukes in our system. More often than not if they Don't speak English at all they are not legal, WHY? It is a requirement for naturalization to speak some English!

Some of you liberally minded folks need to get over yourselves!