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I will state this once again.... Religious belief is too personal to the individual to qualify any topic as a debatable issue. It can't happen. To most it is as personal as an attack on ones family, and there is no concession from either side. Base your opinions on rights and morals, your opinions, then you will find more are willing to at least agree to disagree, and it will not become so personal an issue, and an actual debate can occur. We are individuals here, each with their own set of values, each valid in their own belief system. NOTHING MORE! Leave the "mass conception" out of it! None of us have the right to speak for anyone else other than ourselves, and that is the basis for a true debate. ONE OPINION AGAINST ANOTHER! MARCUS OF QUEENSBURY RULES! Now go to your corners and come out fighting!  hey man, i love ya, really do, but you seem to be speaking for many from what i read??? how can you say, "none of us has the right to speak for anyone else other than oursleves"??? this statement is TOTALLY SPEAKING, AND DEFINING WHAT IS GOOD FOR ALL OTHER'S??? and then you deem and define what the basis for a debate is, according to YOU??? IS THAT NOT AGAIN, DEFINING A "SYSTEM" FOR ALL, AS INSTRUCTION FOR TO FOLLOW, PER AND DEFINED BY YOU FOR ALL??? but you say, speak for no one but self??? THEN YOU SAY, "BASE YOU OPINIONS ON RIGHT AND MORAL, YOUR OPINIONS"??? AGAIN, A PERSONAL INSTRUCTION FOR ALL, SPEAKING FOR ALL??? ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION??? and you wonder why i see no wisdom in your words as instruction to myself??? can ya handle it there big guy, that speak for all, but say not to speak for any but oneself??? |
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I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else. Im just stating facts. It irritates me when all the ills of this country are placed at the feet of Christians. I define christians as people that actually go to church and live a life of respect for all. Well I can understand that view, just as I can understand the frustration of the gay community when the church and it's people do the same to us and place all the ills at our feet. I define people by the way they treat me not by whether they go to church or not, I don't care what religion they are frankly. But when the majority of christians define us as an abomination it sure doesnt' leave us much room to negotiate does it? LOL There has to be a compromise. You are always going to be in the minority. The majority of people support recognition, but not marriage. Something has to give. I believe that if each state has a referendum you are looking at a hard road to travel. |
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I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else. Im just stating facts. It irritates me when all the ills of this country are placed at the feet of Christians. I define christians as people that actually go to church and live a life of respect for all. Well I can understand that view, just as I can understand the frustration of the gay community when the church and it's people do the same to us and place all the ills at our feet. I define people by the way they treat me not by whether they go to church or not, I don't care what religion they are frankly. But when the majority of christians define us as an abomination it sure doesnt' leave us much room to negotiate does it? LOL There has to be a compromise. You are always going to be in the minority. The majority of people support recognition, but not marriage. Something has to give. I believe that if each state has a referendum you are looking at a hard road to travel. I have always held the opinion that, The GLBT needs to pick its fights carefully, because the way they are doing it now it's doing their cause more harm than good! |
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I will state this once again.... Religious belief is too personal to the individual to qualify any topic as a debatable issue. It can't happen. To most it is as personal as an attack on ones family, and there is no concession from either side. Base your opinions on rights and morals, your opinions, then you will find more are willing to at least agree to disagree, and it will not become so personal an issue, and an actual debate can occur. We are individuals here, each with their own set of values, each valid in their own belief system. NOTHING MORE! Leave the "mass conception" out of it! None of us have the right to speak for anyone else other than ourselves, and that is the basis for a true debate. ONE OPINION AGAINST ANOTHER! MARCUS OF QUEENSBURY RULES! Now go to your corners and come out fighting! hey man, i love ya, really do, but you seem to be speaking for many from what i read??? how can you say, "none of us has the right to speak for anyone else other than oursleves"??? this statement is TOTALLY SPEAKING, AND DEFINING WHAT IS GOOD FOR ALL OTHER'S??? and then you deem and define what the basis for a debate is, according to YOU??? IS THAT NOT AGAIN, DEFINING A "SYSTEM" FOR ALL, AS INSTRUCTION FOR TO FOLLOW, PER AND DEFINED BY YOU FOR ALL??? but you say, speak for no one but self??? THEN YOU SAY, "BASE YOU OPINIONS ON RIGHT AND MORAL, YOUR OPINIONS"??? AGAIN, A PERSONAL INSTRUCTION FOR ALL, SPEAKING FOR ALL??? ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION??? and you wonder why i see no wisdom in your words as instruction to myself??? can ya handle it there big guy, that speak for all, but say not to speak for any but oneself??? There is a forum for religious debate. This is not it! Nuff said. |
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I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else. Im just stating facts. It irritates me when all the ills of this country are placed at the feet of Christians. I define christians as people that actually go to church and live a life of respect for all. Well I can understand that view, just as I can understand the frustration of the gay community when the church and it's people do the same to us and place all the ills at our feet. I define people by the way they treat me not by whether they go to church or not, I don't care what religion they are frankly. But when the majority of christians define us as an abomination it sure doesnt' leave us much room to negotiate does it? LOL There has to be a compromise. You are always going to be in the minority. The majority of people support recognition, but not marriage. Something has to give. I believe that if each state has a referendum you are looking at a hard road to travel. I have never had a problem being in the minority, I accepted that years ago. I know that if each state has a referendum we are looking at an uphill climb but I don't view my life as a hard road. Annoying at times but not a hard road. I am happy with who I am, so even if the majority never sees me as an equal, life is what I make of it despite what others might want to deprive me of. I think that is exactly why many want this decided by state so that it is harder for us to ever have that equality. |
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I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else. Im just stating facts. It irritates me when all the ills of this country are placed at the feet of Christians. I define christians as people that actually go to church and live a life of respect for all. Well I can understand that view, just as I can understand the frustration of the gay community when the church and it's people do the same to us and place all the ills at our feet. I define people by the way they treat me not by whether they go to church or not, I don't care what religion they are frankly. But when the majority of christians define us as an abomination it sure doesnt' leave us much room to negotiate does it? LOL There has to be a compromise. You are always going to be in the minority. The majority of people support recognition, but not marriage. Something has to give. I believe that if each state has a referendum you are looking at a hard road to travel. I have always held the opinion that, The GLBT needs to pick its fights carefully, because the way they are doing it now is doing their cause more harm than good! I can not control what other people do, only what I do, so this incident will not stop thinking people from thinking. Perez didn't harm me, he harmed himself, period. I won't let what he did affect my life, my whole neighborhood knows what happened, do you think they will all change their opinion of me because of what Perez did. No, and even if a few did, what could I do about that, that would be their hang up not mine. Will it make those who already have a problem with it, louder in their opposition, probably but that is going to happen regardless because before you know it some other idiot will do something stupid. Just as it is in the straight world. It's no different. |
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I will state this once again.... Religious belief is too personal to the individual to qualify any topic as a debatable issue. It can't happen. To most it is as personal as an attack on ones family, and there is no concession from either side. Base your opinions on rights and morals, your opinions, then you will find more are willing to at least agree to disagree, and it will not become so personal an issue, and an actual debate can occur. We are individuals here, each with their own set of values, each valid in their own belief system. NOTHING MORE! Leave the "mass conception" out of it! None of us have the right to speak for anyone else other than ourselves, and that is the basis for a true debate. ONE OPINION AGAINST ANOTHER! MARCUS OF QUEENSBURY RULES! Now go to your corners and come out fighting! hey man, i love ya, really do, but you seem to be speaking for many from what i read??? how can you say, "none of us has the right to speak for anyone else other than oursleves"??? this statement is TOTALLY SPEAKING, AND DEFINING WHAT IS GOOD FOR ALL OTHER'S??? and then you deem and define what the basis for a debate is, according to YOU??? IS THAT NOT AGAIN, DEFINING A "SYSTEM" FOR ALL, AS INSTRUCTION FOR TO FOLLOW, PER AND DEFINED BY YOU FOR ALL??? but you say, speak for no one but self??? THEN YOU SAY, "BASE YOU OPINIONS ON RIGHT AND MORAL, YOUR OPINIONS"??? AGAIN, A PERSONAL INSTRUCTION FOR ALL, SPEAKING FOR ALL??? ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION??? and you wonder why i see no wisdom in your words as instruction to myself??? can ya handle it there big guy, that speak for all, but say not to speak for any but oneself??? There is a forum for religious debate. This is not it! Nuff said. uh dude, nothing written here is about religion, it is ABOUT CONSISTENCY IN YOUR WORDS, NUFF SAID!!!??? |
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i don't surpress, but i like to oppress. i like to o, ppress my hand against her cheek. i like to o, ppress my lips against hers. i like to o, ppress my body against her body. i think you get the point. . . .  Drew...go back to the other forum  ok.  . . . |
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No I mean commend, it was fairly recent in the the thread. And guilt by association goes both ways. condemning the entire the Christian religion and all it's many sub-order is just as bad. And that is exactly what happened in the beginning of this thread and you appeared to support it. So sympathy for you is a little tainted here. I guarantee my friend who is gay and a pastors assistant would have much to say people blaming all Christians for the actions of a few. I didn't read that into Fanta's post but if he said it I am sure it will come up again. You have yet to read my response to Fanta, explaining the guilt by association that I actually do feel is wrong. No I read it. And didn't care much for his response. But I haven't gotten to it, and may not tonight as I'm getting ready to leave. If you've been reading then you know I've been calling both sides out on this because I see garbage on both sides. Well actually I think you misread me, but then I don't want to type another very long post to convince you that I am not what you have judged me to be. I have never blamed all christians for the actions of a few, I assure you of that even if you might assume it by my admitted anger with the doctrines of the church and biblical interpretations. When you condone the gloating you condone it on all I think you have already made up your mind about me, what can I say. No actually I have not. Your stance now is clear and I can appreciate it. I just got rubbed the wrong way with the stance you took to Lynann's original post on this thread which IMV was clearly gloating. And yes my mind is made up there, she apparently blindly hates all Christians despite how little she seems to know about them. It's a trait that I find as distasteful as the extreme religious right fanatics. When we look at how the GLBT community has been depicted here it becomes obvious that it is extremely important to disassociate themselves from persons like Hilton who do harm to the cause rather than helping it. Similarly I see nothing in Lynann's post that actually supports the gay community she was just happy to bash Christians and gloat over the situation. It's not good to align yourself with that IMO. My apologies if I came on strong, but I just don't take it well when I feel someone is being hypocritical, and right or wrong it is what I saw in your first few posts. (but not the more recent ones) |
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The California vote on banning gay marriage should tell you that it isnt just right wing christians that vote for the bans. California has a huge democratic voting majority. The situation there is far more deceptive than might think. In speaking to friends who actually voted for it, many voted that way because they were told to by their church and not because they actually believed it. Many were astounded that it passed and said they probably would have gone against their own church if they had thought that it could actually pass. The other thing one has to realize is churches to the far right contributed huge amounts of money to the campaign, money the GLBT community could not afford to match. The campaigns they put out were deceptive at best and out right lies at the worst. There's a fine Christian act for you. The amendment was introduce illegally is possably unconstitutional, and pasted only with lies and deception. I'm hoping really hard the courts will strike it down when it comes up. |
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It never fails to amuse me what comes out of the mouth of a liberal.It is easy to see why it is a mental disorder.For the person who started this post you need to stop blaming the worlds problems on the Chrisitans.There are people who live in this country that came from all over the world and there are tens of millions who live here who are not Christians who are against gays and the agenda they are pushing.I can assure you 100% if you took all the Christians out of America and replaced them with Atheist or some other religion it wouldn't be any different.Gays would still not be accepted and people would still be against gay marriage.China is a country with no official religion and made almost of entirely Atheist.Not only are gays condemned they would most likely be killed if they ever tried to have a gay pride parade.
The Christians are only standing up for what they have always had.It is not like there was gay marriage and the Christians ended it.Standing up for something good you have always believed in should not be trampled over for any reason especially when it involved millions of people. Instead of calling people names and asking good,moral,people to throw their vaules down the toilet maybe you respect the fact that people would rather spend a day in heaven than a eternity in hell. |
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The California vote on banning gay marriage should tell you that it isnt just right wing christians that vote for the bans. California has a huge democratic voting majority. The situation there is far more deceptive than might think. In speaking to friends who actually voted for it, many voted that way because they were told to by their church and not because they actually believed it. Many were astounded that it passed and said they probably would have gone against their own church if they had thought that it could actually pass. The other thing one has to realize is churches to the far right contributed huge amounts of money to the campaign, money the GLBT community could not afford to match. The campaigns they put out were deceptive at best and out right lies at the worst. There's a fine Christian act for you. The amendment was introduce illegally is possably unconstitutional, and pasted only with lies and deception. I'm hoping really hard the courts will strike it down when it comes up. I don't believe that.California is the most liberal,far left,anti Christian state there is.If there was a snow balls chance in hell that bill getting passed it was in that state.If we were talking about a consertive state like Utah,Kansas,Montana,Arkansas,or others I would say that Christians had a bigger role in it.Californias population is overwhelmingly Hispanic and a huge number have immigrated from Mexico.Mexico is very much a Anti gay country and you will find little or no support for the gays there. |
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The California vote on banning gay marriage should tell you that it isnt just right wing christians that vote for the bans. California has a huge democratic voting majority. The situation there is far more deceptive than might think. In speaking to friends who actually voted for it, many voted that way because they were told to by their church and not because they actually believed it. Many were astounded that it passed and said they probably would have gone against their own church if they had thought that it could actually pass. The other thing one has to realize is churches to the far right contributed huge amounts of money to the campaign, money the GLBT community could not afford to match. The campaigns they put out were deceptive at best and out right lies at the worst. There's a fine Christian act for you. The amendment was introduce illegally is possably unconstitutional, and pasted only with lies and deception. I'm hoping really hard the courts will strike it down when it comes up. California is by no means a liberal or left democratic state. Far from it. The rest of the country seems to think that all of California is Los Angeles or San Francisco and believe you me having grown up and lived in LA. for over 30 years even in those cities you feel the Republican presences. You only have to look at the Governer to see there is not a chance in ten billion that if the Democrats were are strong as that that Arnold would be doing those California commercials as anything more than an action movie actor. As far as the GLBT thang is concerned, not too long ago people in this country were using the same argument about allowing mixed raced couples from marrying. I am sure if you go back further in this countries history there may have been over groups who were denied other rights that were thought to only belong to a select portion of the population. Let's see voting, owning property in certain area, hell even drinking out of a drinking fountain, sitting at a counter, having a representative to voice your opinions at your work place, and on and on. The struggle for freedom and to live up to what "OUR" founding fathers put down on paper, whether they meant for everyone or not, is an painful one for all concerned. Some have to fight and learn patient and others have to learn tolerances and acceptance. |
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It never fails to amuse me what comes out of the mouth of a liberal.It is easy to see why it is a mental disorder.For the person who started this post you need to stop blaming the worlds problems on the Chrisitans.There are people who live in this country that came from all over the world and there are tens of millions who live here who are not Christians who are against gays and the agenda they are pushing.I can assure you 100% if you took all the Christians out of America and replaced them with Atheist or some other religion it wouldn't be any different.Gays would still not be accepted and people would still be against gay marriage.China is a country with no official religion and made almost of entirely Atheist.Not only are gays condemned they would most likely be killed if they ever tried to have a gay pride parade. The Christians are only standing up for what they have always had.It is not like there was gay marriage and the Christians ended it.Standing up for something good you have always believed in should not be trampled over for any reason especially when it involved millions of people. Instead of calling people names and asking good,moral,people to throw their vaules down the toilet maybe you respect the fact that people would rather spend a day in heaven than a eternity in hell. The genius that knows what people think and feel all over the world. Must be a heavy burden knowing the mind of people all over the world and the mind of God as well. Wow |
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I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else. Im just stating facts. It irritates me when all the ills of this country are placed at the feet of Christians. I define christians as people that actually go to church and live a life of respect for all. Well I can understand that view, just as I can understand the frustration of the gay community when the church and it's people do the same to us and place all the ills at our feet. I define people by the way they treat me not by whether they go to church or not, I don't care what religion they are frankly. But when the majority of christians define us as an abomination it sure doesnt' leave us much room to negotiate does it? LOL There has to be a compromise. You are always going to be in the minority. The majority of people support recognition, but not marriage. Something has to give. I believe that if each state has a referendum you are looking at a hard road to travel. I have always held the opinion that, The GLBT needs to pick its fights carefully, because the way they are doing it now is doing their cause more harm than good! I can not control what other people do, only what I do, so this incident will not stop thinking people from thinking. Perez didn't harm me, he harmed himself, period. I won't let what he did affect my life, my whole neighborhood knows what happened, do you think they will all change their opinion of me because of what Perez did. No, and even if a few did, what could I do about that, that would be their hang up not mine. Will it make those who already have a problem with it, louder in their opposition, probably but that is going to happen regardless because before you know it some other idiot will do something stupid. Just as it is in the straight world. It's no different. Just as it is in the straight world? The world is the straight world! Only approximately 3% of the population is gay! 'I have no regrets,' Carrie Prejean, 21, said today about the question that may have cost her the Miss USA crown and led to her being called a 'dumb *****'. 'By having to answer that question in front of a national audience, God was testing my character and faith. I'm glad I stayed true to myself,' she told Fox News today. Having negotiated earlier rounds of modelling in a swimsuit and evening gown, she was down to the final 15 and had to answer a single question from one of the panel of five judges. Prejean picked celebrity blogger Perez Hilton, who is openly gay and calls himself 'queen of all media'. Hilton asked her: 'Vermont recently became the fourth state to legalise same-sex marriage. Do you think every state should follow suit. Why or why not?' Prejean paused for a moment before replying: 'Well, I think it’s great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage.' She continued: 'And you know what, in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. 'No offence to anybody out there, but that’s how I was raised and that’s how I think it should be - between a man and a woman. Thank you very much. Unimpressed to say the least, Hilton promptely described Prejean as a 'dumb *****' on his blog. He went on to describe her as having 'half a brain' and said he would have stormed onto the stage and ripped off her tiara if she had won. |
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No I mean commend, it was fairly recent in the the thread. And guilt by association goes both ways. condemning the entire the Christian religion and all it's many sub-order is just as bad. And that is exactly what happened in the beginning of this thread and you appeared to support it. So sympathy for you is a little tainted here. I guarantee my friend who is gay and a pastors assistant would have much to say people blaming all Christians for the actions of a few. I didn't read that into Fanta's post but if he said it I am sure it will come up again. You have yet to read my response to Fanta, explaining the guilt by association that I actually do feel is wrong. No I read it. And didn't care much for his response. But I haven't gotten to it, and may not tonight as I'm getting ready to leave. If you've been reading then you know I've been calling both sides out on this because I see garbage on both sides. Well actually I think you misread me, but then I don't want to type another very long post to convince you that I am not what you have judged me to be. I have never blamed all christians for the actions of a few, I assure you of that even if you might assume it by my admitted anger with the doctrines of the church and biblical interpretations. When you condone the gloating you condone it on all I think you have already made up your mind about me, what can I say. No actually I have not. Your stance now is clear and I can appreciate it. I just got rubbed the wrong way with the stance you took to Lynann's original post on this thread which IMV was clearly gloating. And yes my mind is made up there, she apparently blindly hates all Christians despite how little she seems to know about them. It's a trait that I find as distasteful as the extreme religious right fanatics. When we look at how the GLBT community has been depicted here it becomes obvious that it is extremely important to disassociate themselves from persons like Hilton who do harm to the cause rather than helping it. Similarly I see nothing in Lynann's post that actually supports the gay community she was just happy to bash Christians and gloat over the situation. It's not good to align yourself with that IMO. My apologies if I came on strong, but I just don't take it well when I feel someone is being hypocritical, and right or wrong it is what I saw in your first few posts. (but not the more recent ones) 'I find it immensely entertaining that those who now claim to be on Christian higher moral ground are outraged because they are not the exclusive holders of that prized territory they carved out and excluded others from whether it be in a beauty contest, a church, a town square, a television screen...where ever. Guess what? The world is not full of cookie cutter Bible thumped Stepford wives despite Miss California's best attempt to be one. ' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well as I said I had no problem with her overall message, the only difference is that I don't see gloating and still don't. I see sarcasm, which she noted. That doesn't mean she knows little about christians or christianity or that she blindly hates all christians, there was no mention of that or the word ALL. Nor do I see her being hypocritical. And that is just my opinion of course. |
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I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else. Im just stating facts. It irritates me when all the ills of this country are placed at the feet of Christians. I define christians as people that actually go to church and live a life of respect for all. Well I can understand that view, just as I can understand the frustration of the gay community when the church and it's people do the same to us and place all the ills at our feet. I define people by the way they treat me not by whether they go to church or not, I don't care what religion they are frankly. But when the majority of christians define us as an abomination it sure doesnt' leave us much room to negotiate does it? LOL There has to be a compromise. You are always going to be in the minority. The majority of people support recognition, but not marriage. Something has to give. I believe that if each state has a referendum you are looking at a hard road to travel. I have always held the opinion that, The GLBT needs to pick its fights carefully, because the way they are doing it now is doing their cause more harm than good! I can not control what other people do, only what I do, so this incident will not stop thinking people from thinking. Perez didn't harm me, he harmed himself, period. I won't let what he did affect my life, my whole neighborhood knows what happened, do you think they will all change their opinion of me because of what Perez did. No, and even if a few did, what could I do about that, that would be their hang up not mine. Will it make those who already have a problem with it, louder in their opposition, probably but that is going to happen regardless because before you know it some other idiot will do something stupid. Just as it is in the straight world. It's no different. Just as it is in the straight world? The world is the straight world! Only approximately 3% of the population is gay! 'I have no regrets,' Carrie Prejean, 21, said today about the question that may have cost her the Miss USA crown and led to her being called a 'dumb *****'. 'By having to answer that question in front of a national audience, God was testing my character and faith. I'm glad I stayed true to myself,' she told Fox News today. Having negotiated earlier rounds of modelling in a swimsuit and evening gown, she was down to the final 15 and had to answer a single question from one of the panel of five judges. Prejean picked celebrity blogger Perez Hilton, who is openly gay and calls himself 'queen of all media'. Hilton asked her: 'Vermont recently became the fourth state to legalise same-sex marriage. Do you think every state should follow suit. Why or why not?' Prejean paused for a moment before replying: 'Well, I think it’s great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage.' She continued: 'And you know what, in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. 'No offence to anybody out there, but that’s how I was raised and that’s how I think it should be - between a man and a woman. Thank you very much. Unimpressed to say the least, Hilton promptely described Prejean as a 'dumb *****' on his blog. He went on to describe her as having 'half a brain' and said he would have stormed onto the stage and ripped off her tiara if she had won. What the hell does Hilton have to do with me. If a straight man down the street shoots his wife, is that directly related to you? Should I judge you by what he did? I don't think anyone has a clue how many gays there are in the world, most won't even admit they are for fear of losing their jobs or families, or fear of people that think of them the way some do. so you don't know how many there are anymore than I do. And yes what goes on in the straight community is the same as what goes in the gay community. |
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We are misdirecting the issue here I feel. I wouldn't trust this idiot to speak for my dog. There is no way ANYONE would even remotely think him, in any way, a "spokesperson" for anything but maybe hair gel.... and the benefit of labotomies. I'm talking Hilton here Absolutely, but some are going to blame the whole community.. Fanta, this just happened, so now we should what, shut down all gay events because this jerk did what he did? I have not been to his website, but if he has contracts with advertisers, should the be punished as well? I hope he looses advertisers on his site, something should tell him that he does not speak for us, but sheesh give it a few days will ya... I would expect that, like McDonalds, like Haynes, like Adidas, like Wilson, like Spalding, like The Big Brother organization, etc, That every organization, represented by Hilton would denounce, and withdraw their advertising with Hilton. Just like all those corporations above did when Phelps was spotted smoking a Marijuana pipe on a video! Eh maybe by Friday, aye? Has anyone asked them self how????? someone as controversial as Hilton, and as hated as Hilton, Ever get chosen to be a judge at the Miss USA pageant? How do you figure that choice was made? If I used the man down the street as a spokesman, whether the murderer was gay or straight, I would expect as much! |
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If I used the man down the street as a spokesman, whether the murderer was gay or straight, I would expect as much! If that response was for me, I would say that if you used the man down the street as a spokesman and did what Perez did, that would still not reflect on the gays and straights in your whole town now would it? |
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If I used the man down the street as a spokesman, whether the murderer was gay or straight, I would expect as much! If that response was for me, I would say that if you used the man down the street as a spokesman and did what Perez did, that would still not reflect on the gays and straights in your whole town now would it? Let me explain it this way! If I used the man down the street as a spokesman after he committed murder it would reflect on me. Just as this does when Hilton is used by the GLBT to further their cause. Day 3, and still no public denunciation from The GLBT about this! I would expect that, like McDonalds, like Haynes, like Adidas, like Wilson, like Spalding, like The Big Brother organization, etc, That every organization, represented by Hilton would denounce, and withdraw their advertising with Hilton. Just like all those corporations above did when Phelps was spotted smoking a Marijuana pipe on a video! And you still haven't answered this, Has anyone asked them self how????? someone as controversial as Hilton, and as hated as Hilton, Ever got chosen to be a judge at the Miss USA pageant? How do you figure that choice was made? |
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