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I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! I am not sure who is disagreeing with you on his actions then and now. It infuriates me that he might be laughing now, but if we in this thread after this many posts blame the whole gay community for what one gay guy did then we are as ignorant as he is. If there was an agenda it was his, not mine. I was mowing the lawn and thinking about this. Actually this isn't going to cause that much harm really, people do stupid things and those that might have been on the fence, if they fall back to their original attitude because of this, they might not have stayed supportive anyway. This won't be the first time someone straight or gay has said or done something this stupid. I thank you boo for pointing out my error. I should have said "his personal agenda" if I didn't. My apologies for not clarifying better. No big deal, Sojourning. Damn I wish this crap didn't go on, but then I think maybe good can come out of stupid if people understand taht it doesn't represent a whole group of people. There are unconscious people in all groups. |
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Edited by
davidben1
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Why do we concern ourselves so much with the "effect" instead of the source and agenda of their creator? Hilton was wrong in his actions! Not because he was gay! Not because he was or wasn't a good religious or political advocate. To mention such a thing at all, using a "POSITION OF AUTHORITY" at a multi-racial, multi-denominational, mutli-cultured event to promote ANY agenda other than young ladies competing in a pageant for honors, thereby taking away from it and stirring up hostilities, THAT'S WRONG! I would have publicly pulled him from his position and had him escorted from the premises. Because of his actions, not his beliefs or choices. That would have been the statement I would like to have seen made. the fact that is was indeed, a multi racial, mutli denominational, multi cultered, lead more to perez's question being even more appropriate??? one could only deem it not, unless he was not deemed as part of the "multi cuture in itself"??? one could not deem it as not, unless it seen him, and his belief, as not part of multi racial, multi denominational, multi culture in itself!!!??? the beauty pageant is not about BEAUTY ALONE, IT IS ABOUT "ROLE MODELS" FOR THE "COMMUNITY", AND WHY INTELLECT IS RELEVANT, BELEIF'S ARE RELEVANT, AND ALL SUCH THINGS??? his actions came from his belief's, and his belief's asked a question, which directly related to MUTLI CULTURE HUMANITY??? yes, anything that speak what does not believe as itself, is often infuriated enough to carry out people, and is only but controling other's to be as oneself see fit, and does make most good??? peace I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! HOW WAS IT SO TUFF, TO NOT KNOW OR BE ABLE TO ANSWER, ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL IT'S OWN BODY, IF IT DOES NOT TAKE FREEDOM FROM ANOTHER HUMAN??? GOVERNMENTS CAN'T ANSWER THIS??? STATES CAN'T ANSWER THIS??? anything that think other's as just as valuable, and equal to self could answer this easily??? was his motive correct??? was his agenda correct??? you have an agenda??? is your correct??? is it any different than yours??? he think her was wrong, you think he be wrong??? the "WRONG CARD" is but show no knowing of how to create good, JUST WALKING AROUND SAYING WHO IS NOT GOOD, AND WHO IS WRONG??? so it is more, about what words will create, in everyone around self, that about who is right and wrong??? if equal for all was anyone's focus, than it would see perez as "creating this", even though his method could be refined, but then, who's could not??? if no equal for all is wished, then anyone hearing would hear perez as only trying to prosper a single agenda, and this indeed is what himself may see, but it cannot be missed, that if mankind accept other's thru and past labels, and beyond "differences", than this indeed promote more peace??? not peace to some that want peace for itself, and all to think and live as itself, but more toward all having equal rights, and being deemed as equal, which be the only true peace that could ever found common rights and goodness and happines, if there was more than one, and they were not IDENTICAL??? what i think of perez personally, or the girl personally, is of no matter, IT IS WHAT ALL THINGS CREATE FOR ALL, NOT JUST FOR SOME??? WHAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF GOOD FOR ALL??? if it is subject to "personal definition" of good by some, or one belief, which is what all would be "dictator's" would try to make, but, that argument and destruction of other people's has been never proved to work, by history proving it as fact??? TO ****ING FORCE OTHERS TO BE AS SELF??? to ****iung force others physically to BE THE GOOD SOME THINK AS GOOD??? it has to start in all equal first, then build from there??? IF NOT, it would continue forever, so it must be founded upon a PREMISE, A FOOTING, AND IT CAN BE NOTHING MORE THAN FIRST "EQUAL"??? sure, that is not easy for anything to accept, easily easily easily understood, but, what else is there??? you tell me??? you wanna carry the guy out??? what, would you then beat him up??? yea, he is a loud mouth, self promoting, but then WHAT IS THIS HERE??? is not EACH SELF PROMOTING??? what it most believe right??? SO IF YOU HAD A STAGE, WHAT WOULD YOUR MESSAGE BE??? LEAD BY EXAMPLE??? VALID WORDS ARE ONLY FROM SOME??? ALL WORDS HAVE TO FIRST BE DEEMED AS GOOD, BEFORE THERE CAN EVER BE ANY EQUALITY EVEN SEEN WITHIN HUMANITY, WHICH IS THE ONLY PEACE??? i totally understand every premise you speak from, no matter how it may seem. peace man racism and resentment is the DECIDER OF THE HEARER OF WORDS??? As I said, we will have to agree to disagree on this. I believe he (Hilton) was inappropriate. I have no agenda other than being all that I can be, standing for what I hold as moral values, and defending not only my rights, but the rights of others, as I will for yours as well. Hilton overstepped his rights, his priviledge, used national coverage to promote his own agenda, perhaps harmed the well being of a beautiful young lady, and undermined the efforts of many by his actions. This is wrong by anyones moral code who possesses them. i give you totally it could have been better, HELL YEA, but i do not see any wisdom in seeing how this is true??? wrong??? if one has to even use the word "wrong", then it is simply basing other's on what itself think and is, and using it's own "moral code" to judge all other's, and trying to make all other's live by them??? every last word you hear on tv is promoting an agenda??? everything is an agenda??? it is a matter of 'what' that agenda is, and what it will create??? can self can't open it's mouth, without an agenda??? come one man... these are "leaky premises" as principles??? self can't open it's mouth without trying to control something??? if it speak, THEN IT HAS A PURPOSE, than it is trying to control, or change something, or make something understand itself, WANTS SOMETHING, so WHAT IT SEEK TO CONTROL INTO, AND CHANGE INTO, WITH IT'S WORDS, IS THE DETERMINER OF WORDS??? this is 'wrong' by anyone's moral code who possess's them??? so that means, whomsoever does not think as you, so agree with you, has no moral code??? does this sound as seeing other's as equal??? one could not say this, unless it bases many people as "not having moral's, which is not missed what one thinks of "perez" then, BUT, if this is deemed as "bad perez", then equally, the women who stood on the podium, and said all other's were not of MY COUNTRY, if they believed not in "marriage between men and women", was offending and scarring possibly millions of gays across the world, maybe even billions, lol??? so your slant toward her alone, is what this whole conversation is about, and how it is not balanced perception??? equal man, lol... if one does not treat other's as equal, than how can it demand to be treated equal itself??? "DISTIAN IS A DRAGON, THAT ALL THINGS CREATE USING BIAS AGAINST SOME OTHER'S, BUT THE DRAGON EAT THE ONE THAT CREATE IT". peace man... |
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Im just glad Im not the only one who sees it for what is was!
 I think even David sees that! He just thinks it is fair game towards the GLBT's agenda! Personally I think it does their cause more harm than good. |
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Im just glad Im not the only one who sees it for what is was! I think even David sees that! He just thinks it is fair game towards the GLBT's agenda! Personally I think it does their cause more harm than good. It only does harm if we allow it. Again blaming the whole glbt community for what one or a small group did, is unfair to the whole community. Unfortunately I have yet to hear this guy speak for himself. |
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Unimpressed to say the least, Hilton promptely described Prejean as a 'dumb *****' on his blog.
He went on to describe her as having 'half a brain' and said he would have stormed onto the stage and ripped off her tiara if she had won. Perez Hilton, who is openly gay and calls himself 'queen of all media'. |
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ok but is it ok for some people in these forums to label all christians or criticize BSA an things like that?
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I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! I am not sure who is disagreeing with you on his actions then and now. It infuriates me that he might be laughing now, but if we in this thread after this many posts blame the whole gay community for what one gay guy did then we are as ignorant as he is. If there was an agenda it was his, not mine. I was mowing the lawn and thinking about this. Actually this isn't going to cause that much harm really, people do stupid things and those that might have been on the fence, if they fall back to their original attitude because of this, they might not have stayed supportive anyway. This won't be the first time someone straight or gay has said or done something this stupid. This was not something said randomly by a stupid person. Nor was it an accident. It was premeditated and said for the media attention that it has received! I think there's some miss-communication happening here. I think most would agree that this is true or at last probably true, and they have said so. The biggest objection is the assertion that this is how the "GLBT" works. Perhaps you don't understand that there are lots of GLBT organizations so which are you talking about? If you're saying ALL GLBT organizations that that's really screwed up and totally false. Second you've provided nothing to support that assertion concerning even one of the organizations associated with GLBT other than your personal opinion. Certainly I've seen incidences like this one but nothing in the way of an organized effort to do such things. So when you say GLBT you are pretty much anyone and everyone. |
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Hilton's real name is Mario Armando Lavandeira, Jr
Lavandeira graduated from New York University in 2000. Before beginning his blogging career, Lavandeira attempted a career as an actor. He briefly worked as a media relations assistant for LGBT rights organization GLAAD, was a freelance writer for gay publications, worked as a receptionist for NYC gay events club Urban Outings, and was briefly the managing editor of Instinct, a gay men's magazine. He says he started blogging "because it seemed easy." You keep defending a man who is obviously a spokesman for the GLBT and thus the gay rights movement! If the GLBT doesn't like what he says and does then they should denounce his actions and disassociate themselves from him. Until then I will assume the obvious! I do respect that you disown his actions, but I don't hear the GLBT disassociating him from their organization or condemning his behavior! |
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i fight not, nor want not, for or about some people, but only for all people in me tiny wee little pee brain, but only for all people would and could only ever first be seeing all as equal???
they both could, and should, KNOW MORE ABOUT ALL AS EQUAL, and this is what would be spoken to either of them, IF it was as i in their presence, not demanded different of either of them, but rather only questions about equal for all??? all people truly do repsect things, in and from the heart, if it is the most fair possible??? but of course, what create all FAIR, must first be known??? how can it start from anything else but than all humans have equal free will to persue happiness, as long as they do not steal another bodily free will or space??? if that happen, then of course, into the equal laws to protect all equality??? i think their both precious people, and know what they have seen and heard in their lifetime, a total sum and product of their environment, of all they believe, and if i am to want to believe what i want, then how can i take that from someone else, unless i deem myself as superior, and as a self diety, as some damn king or something??? peace out to all... |
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ok but is it ok for some people in these forums to label all christians or criticize BSA an things like that? Absolutely not, that is just as wrong as the assertions against all of the GLBT community... and I've see way too much of both. |
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Hilton's real name is Mario Armando Lavandeira, Jr If the GLBT doesn't like what he says and does then they should denounce his actions and disassociate themselves from him. Have you done any checking? I think it's fair to say they haven't been very vocal on it and they really should be but... I just did a quick google and the first 3 GLBT responses I looked at expressed disapproval of Hilton's. |
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Hilton's real name is Mario Armando Lavandeira, Jr Lavandeira graduated from New York University in 2000. Before beginning his blogging career, Lavandeira attempted a career as an actor. He briefly worked as a media relations assistant for LGBT rights organization GLAAD, was a freelance writer for gay publications, worked as a receptionist for NYC gay events club Urban Outings, and was briefly the managing editor of Instinct, a gay men's magazine. He says he started blogging "because it seemed easy." You keep defending a man who is obviously a spokesman for the GLBT and thus the gay rights movement! If the GLBT doesn't like what he says and does then they should denounce his actions and disassociate themselves from him. Until then I will assume the obvious! I do respect that you disown his actions, but I don't hear the GLBT disassociating him from their organization or condemning his behavior! Fanta, by what you just posted, there is nothing there that makes him even remotely a spokeperson for the community as a whole in ever state in our country. Pretty feeble list of accomplishments actually. I would not want him speaking for all of us. He 'BREIFLY' worked as a media relations assistant for LGBT rights organization GLAAD, Briefly tells me very little except he didn't last there long. A receptionist? freelance for a magazine, and what? that makes him a good spokes person, and backs your opinion of this incident? Damn I thought you were more fair than that, Fanta. Really. Why should all the activist groups of the gblt community speak out, you think the media isn't enough to show what an ass this guy was? Do you assume everyone will be fooled by this a$$ and blame the whole gay community? |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Tue 04/21/09 05:17 PM
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Hilton's real name is Mario Armando Lavandeira, Jr If the GLBT doesn't like what he says and does then they should denounce his actions and disassociate themselves from him. Have you done any checking? I think it's fair to say they haven't been very vocal on it and they really should be but... I just did a quick google and the first 3 GLBT responses I looked at expressed disapproval of Hilton's. And yet they continue to advertise on his web site and use him as a spokesman to carry their message! This is from his web-site, http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-20-a-worthwhile-cause-328 Where the claim is, Apr 20, 2009 ... Welcome to PerezHilton.com - Hollywood's Most-Hated Web Site! .... the largest annual national and international GLBT civil rights forum, ...  How many advertisement endorsements did Michael Phelps lose recently? And yet here is this moron still tooting the horn for the GLBT! |
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Damn I thought you were more fair than that, Fanta. Really. Why should all the activist groups of the gblt community speak out, you think the media isn't enough to show what an ass this guy was? Do you assume everyone will be fooled by this a$$ and blame the whole gay community? Why should they speak out? This thread is a good example. If you think this is the only place with such opinions I think your mistaken. I support the GLBT community myself and understand that it does not approve of such things. But those outside will see things just as Fanta does if it does not speak out. As I said in my post to Fanta I don't think the community as a whole has done nearly enough to show that this is NOT how they do business. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 04/21/09 05:22 PM
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We are misdirecting the issue here I feel.
I wouldn't trust this idiot to speak for my dog. There is no way ANYONE would even remotely think him, in any way, a "spokesperson" for anything but maybe hair gel.... and the benefit of labotomies. I'm talking Hilton here |
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We are misdirecting the issue here I feel. I wouldn't trust this idiot to speak for my dog. There is no way ANYONE would even remotely think him, in any way, a "spokesperson" for anything but maybe hair gel.... and the benefit of labotomies. yes but if someone made a boo boo like perez did from other organizations...people would be doing the same thing now |
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Edited by
boo2u
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Tue 04/21/09 05:27 PM
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ok but is it ok for some people in these forums to label all christians or criticize BSA an things like that? Saying this after so many posts seems to only fuel the anxiety, we already know that it's not ok to label, but we also know both sides do it, and when it happens it puts the topic in chaos and then no one is listening. Because it's done, doesn't mean we ignore the actual message. |
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Hilton's real name is Mario Armando Lavandeira, Jr If the GLBT doesn't like what he says and does then they should denounce his actions and disassociate themselves from him. Have you done any checking? I think it's fair to say they haven't been very vocal on it and they really should be but... I just did a quick google and the first 3 GLBT responses I looked at expressed disapproval of Hilton's. And yet they continue to advertise on his web site and use him as a spokesman to carry their message! This is from his web-site, http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-20-a-worthwhile-cause-328 Where the claim is, Apr 20, 2009 ... Welcome to PerezHilton.com - Hollywood's Most-Hated Web Site! .... the largest annual national and international GLBT civil rights forum, ... How many advertisement endorsements did Michael Phelps lose recently? And yet here is this moron still tooting the horn for the GLBT! Again you seem to be missing the point. When you refer to GLBT as "they" you are refering to every Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transvestite in the world. You have to differentiate which GLBT organization you are speaking of. One does not speak for all by ANY stretch. And Perez Hilton can claim anything he wants on his website. Doesn't make it any more true that the websites that claim to be run by aliens. And as for advertising from other organizations, advertising is generally paid for months in advance and is non-refundable. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Tue 04/21/09 05:32 PM
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This is proof of a recent and continuing endorsement and association between Hilton and the GLBT!
Guilty by association is what Id call it! Hilton's real name is Mario Armando Lavandeira, Jr If the GLBT doesn't like what he says and does then they should denounce his actions and disassociate themselves from him. Have you done any checking? I think it's fair to say they haven't been very vocal on it and they really should be but... I just did a quick google and the first 3 GLBT responses I looked at expressed disapproval of Hilton's. And yet they continue to advertise on his web site and use him as a spokesman to carry their message! This is from his web-site, http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-20-a-worthwhile-cause-328 Where the claim is, Apr 20, 2009 ... Welcome to PerezHilton.com - Hollywood's Most-Hated Web Site! .... the largest annual national and international GLBT civil rights forum, ... How many advertisement endorsements did Michael Phelps lose recently? And yet here is this moron still tooting the horn for the GLBT! |
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Damn I thought you were more fair than that, Fanta. Really. Why should all the activist groups of the gblt community speak out, you think the media isn't enough to show what an ass this guy was? Do you assume everyone will be fooled by this a$$ and blame the whole gay community? Why should they speak out? This thread is a good example. If you think this is the only place with such opinions I think your mistaken. I support the GLBT community myself and understand that it does not approve of such things. But those outside will see things just as Fanta does if it does not speak out. As I said in my post to Fanta I don't think the community as a whole has done nearly enough to show that this is NOT how they do business. What would be enough I wonder, just as you said this is not the only thread on the internet flaming hot right now, with people like me trying desperately to show we are not all alike. What more can we do, I am a gay person and I am probably among thousands explaining for 'two days' now that this does not represent how i feel. Again this is not the first time someone in the gay community has said something that caused a fury, right? That still does not represent me. Any more than one stupid person in the straight community represents all straights. If people don't have that common sense to know this, we wouldn't reach them anyway. Would we? I don't think so. |
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