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We are misdirecting the issue here I feel. I wouldn't trust this idiot to speak for my dog. There is no way ANYONE would even remotely think him, in any way, a "spokesperson" for anything but maybe hair gel.... and the benefit of labotomies. I'm talking Hilton here Sadly people do think that. Fanta here obviously believes that and I doubt he's the only one. If people didn't think that I don't think this discussion would be happening. |
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Damn I thought you were more fair than that, Fanta. Really. Why should all the activist groups of the gblt community speak out, you think the media isn't enough to show what an ass this guy was? Do you assume everyone will be fooled by this a$$ and blame the whole gay community? Why should they speak out? This thread is a good example. If you think this is the only place with such opinions I think your mistaken. I support the GLBT community myself and understand that it does not approve of such things. But those outside will see things just as Fanta does if it does not speak out. As I said in my post to Fanta I don't think the community as a whole has done nearly enough to show that this is NOT how they do business. What would be enough I wonder, just as you said this is not the only thread on the internet flaming hot right now, with people like me trying desperately to show we are not all alike. What more can we do, I am a gay person and I am probably among thousands explaining for 'two days' now that this does not represent how i feel. Again this is not the first time someone in the gay community has said something that caused a fury, right? That still does not represent me. Any more than one stupid person in the straight community represents all straights. If people don't have that common sense to know this, we wouldn't reach them anyway. Would we? I don't think so. Fanta just told you that he commended you for denouncing Hiltons actions. I don't think at this point anyone thinks you believe it was ok. As said I support the gay community and actively so. But the community as a whole needs to be more vocal when things like this happen. Not your fault I know, but if you want to know why it's happening, this is it. |
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We are misdirecting the issue here I feel. I wouldn't trust this idiot to speak for my dog. There is no way ANYONE would even remotely think him, in any way, a "spokesperson" for anything but maybe hair gel.... and the benefit of labotomies. I'm talking Hilton here Absolutely, but some are going to blame the whole community.. Fanta, this just happened, so now we should what, shut down all gay events because this jerk did what he did? I have not been to his website, but if he has contracts with advertisers, should the be punished as well? I hope he looses advertisers on his site, something should tell him that he does not speak for us, but sheesh give it a few days will ya... |
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I would sure hate to be compared to Bush! He's not only said but done some pretty stupid, even criminal and unethical sh*t!
Hmmmmmmm didn't a nation let him lead them? The cover never tells the story, you have to read each page inside to do that. jmo |
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We are misdirecting the issue here I feel. I wouldn't trust this idiot to speak for my dog. There is no way ANYONE would even remotely think him, in any way, a "spokesperson" for anything but maybe hair gel.... and the benefit of labotomies. yes but if someone made a boo boo like perez did from other organizations...people would be doing the same thing now Could we stay on one organization at a time, your making me dizzy. 
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Guilty by association is what Id call it! Well now you have done what past generations.. 'ours included' has done for centuries. And that is wrong. And frankly I can't believe that comes from you. So then all Christians are bigoted homophobs because one of the Christian organizations has said this or that? And there are gazillions of links to those organizations, so therefore anyone associated with them are also bigoted homophobs? Right? Wrong! But that is what you keep saying when the topic of gays comes up almost every time... So thanks, Fanta, you are accusing me of having an agenda I do not have and never did. Tell me I shouldn't see this? This is the very thing, I, in my small way have tried to show is wrong all my life and yet there are still people peddling this guilt by association thing, it's wrong. |
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Absolutely, but some are going to blame the whole community.. Fanta, this just happened, so now we should what, shut down all gay events because this jerk did what he did? I have not been to his website, but if he has contracts with advertisers, should the be punished as well? I hope he looses advertisers on his site, something should tell him that he does not speak for us, but sheesh give it a few days will ya... A few days to get ads pulled makes sense, but to register outrage at what he did should be right away. Lynann was gloating over how great it was that the Christian community got some of it's own back, and you were basically right there with her. What kind of message do you think that sends. It's not significantly better than what Hilton did IMO. |
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I find it strange that no one pointed out the OP was generalizing of one group either. but no one but me had a problem with it???? guess what...i don't like to be lumped into those things either. i seem to be the only one that will point it out no matter what is generalized
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Damn I thought you were more fair than that, Fanta. Really. Why should all the activist groups of the gblt community speak out, you think the media isn't enough to show what an ass this guy was? Do you assume everyone will be fooled by this a$$ and blame the whole gay community? Why should they speak out? This thread is a good example. If you think this is the only place with such opinions I think your mistaken. I support the GLBT community myself and understand that it does not approve of such things. But those outside will see things just as Fanta does if it does not speak out. As I said in my post to Fanta I don't think the community as a whole has done nearly enough to show that this is NOT how they do business. What would be enough I wonder, just as you said this is not the only thread on the internet flaming hot right now, with people like me trying desperately to show we are not all alike. What more can we do, I am a gay person and I am probably among thousands explaining for 'two days' now that this does not represent how i feel. Again this is not the first time someone in the gay community has said something that caused a fury, right? That still does not represent me. Any more than one stupid person in the straight community represents all straights. If people don't have that common sense to know this, we wouldn't reach them anyway. Would we? I don't think so. Fanta just told you that he commended you for denouncing Hiltons actions. I don't think at this point anyone thinks you believe it was ok. As said I support the gay community and actively so. But the community as a whole needs to be more vocal when things like this happen. Not your fault I know, but if you want to know why it's happening, this is it. You mean he DIDN"T condemn me, right? That is what I thought he said, however in another post it's guilt by association, I grew up with that notion and it's as wrong today as it was then. I don't know that out community is NOT condemning this, I think we need to give a few days, Hell I have been so busy defending out community I have not had time to see what others are doing. But you know, I think human beings need to take some responsibility for their reactions to this as well. Anyone that just automatically assume a whole community is behind the deeds of one person is naive say the least. I will do what I can to condemn this sort of thing but the world should not assume the worst of all of us. If they do it's an excuse to dismiss us. |
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I find it strange that no one pointed out the OP was generalizing of one group either. but no one but me had a problem with it???? guess what...i don't like to be lumped into those things either. i seem to be the only one that will point it out no matter what is generalized You are correct and I have pointed such things out on other threads. I apologize for not joining with you on this one. |
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I find it strange that no one pointed out the OP was generalizing of one group either. but no one but me had a problem with it???? guess what...i don't like to be lumped into those things either. i seem to be the only one that will point it out no matter what is generalized You are correct and I have pointed such things out on other threads. I apologize for not joining with you on this one. not at all hun...you are good 
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I would sure hate to be compared to Bush! He's not only said but done some pretty stupid, even criminal and unethical sh*t! Hmmmmmmm didn't a nation let him lead them? The cover never tells the story, you have to read each page inside to do that. jmo That is absolutely right, and we as human beings should not make the assumptions we do, but unfortunately it won't be just this action that holds us back, it will be the lack of forsight and stubborn associations on the part of the public as well that prevent us from any compremise any time soon. |
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Damn I thought you were more fair than that, Fanta. Really. Why should all the activist groups of the gblt community speak out, you think the media isn't enough to show what an ass this guy was? Do you assume everyone will be fooled by this a$$ and blame the whole gay community? Why should they speak out? This thread is a good example. If you think this is the only place with such opinions I think your mistaken. I support the GLBT community myself and understand that it does not approve of such things. But those outside will see things just as Fanta does if it does not speak out. As I said in my post to Fanta I don't think the community as a whole has done nearly enough to show that this is NOT how they do business. What would be enough I wonder, just as you said this is not the only thread on the internet flaming hot right now, with people like me trying desperately to show we are not all alike. What more can we do, I am a gay person and I am probably among thousands explaining for 'two days' now that this does not represent how i feel. Again this is not the first time someone in the gay community has said something that caused a fury, right? That still does not represent me. Any more than one stupid person in the straight community represents all straights. If people don't have that common sense to know this, we wouldn't reach them anyway. Would we? I don't think so. Fanta just told you that he commended you for denouncing Hiltons actions. I don't think at this point anyone thinks you believe it was ok. As said I support the gay community and actively so. But the community as a whole needs to be more vocal when things like this happen. Not your fault I know, but if you want to know why it's happening, this is it. You mean he DIDN"T condemn me, right? That is what I thought he said, however in another post it's guilt by association, I grew up with that notion and it's as wrong today as it was then. I don't know that out community is NOT condemning this, I think we need to give a few days, Hell I have been so busy defending out community I have not had time to see what others are doing. No I mean commend, it was fairly recent in the the thread. And guilt by association goes both ways. condemning the entire the Christian religion and all it's many sub-order is just as bad. And that is exactly what happened in the beginning of this thread and you appeared to support it. So sympathy for you is a little tainted here. I guarantee my friend who is gay and a pastors assistant would have much to say people blaming all Christians for the actions of a few. But you know, I think human beings need to take some responsibility for their reactions to this as well. Anyone that just automatically assume a whole community is behind the deeds of one person is naive say the least. I will do what I can to condemn this sort of thing but the world should not assume the worst of all of us. If they do it's an excuse to dismiss us. I agree |
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Absolutely, but some are going to blame the whole community.. Fanta, this just happened, so now we should what, shut down all gay events because this jerk did what he did? I have not been to his website, but if he has contracts with advertisers, should the be punished as well? I hope he looses advertisers on his site, something should tell him that he does not speak for us, but sheesh give it a few days will ya... A few days to get ads pulled makes sense, but to register outrage at what he did should be right away. Lynann was gloating over how great it was that the Christian community got some of it's own back, and you were basically right there with her. What kind of message do you think that sends. It's not significantly better than what Hilton did IMO. I am not one to gloat actually, but I do see the irony as she did, if we keep being told not to be so dramatic and sensitive then maybe the same goes for the other side? Maybe? Lynann is not responsible for what Perez did nor am I. So please irony from her is not the same thing. Plus when you have years and years of snide remarks coming from the Christian community it's bound to happen that some will point out that the tables have turned. But it's not the same as a deliberate act as Perez. And give me break will ya, I was agreeing with her over all message that it's interesting that the other side is in a sense where they put us for years. does that make any sense at all. I am starting to get tired... If you had read any of my posts in the last few months you would know I am not a gloater. |
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I find it strange that no one pointed out the OP was generalizing of one group either. but no one but me had a problem with it???? guess what...i don't like to be lumped into those things either. i seem to be the only one that will point it out no matter what is generalized You had to read her message for the point she was making, not for the generalization. We all had that message about generalization, and we all understood the message, even if we didn't have time to stop and react to it. |
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again boo...I get thrown into those comments because of generalization. and NOT FAIR TO ME either. it goes both ways. I have defended your rights on this subject and i have spoken out against ANY generalization because I can see how it affects people to generalize. even that joke comment earlier (which i found tasteless and promotes stereotyping even had there been a LOL or emicon after it) i didn't find funny. i wonder how it would have been accepted had someone else posted it that way. i suspect it wouldn't have gone over too well with the thread
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I find it strange that no one pointed out the OP was generalizing of one group either. but no one but me had a problem with it???? guess what...i don't like to be lumped into those things either. i seem to be the only one that will point it out no matter what is generalized You had to read her message for the point she was making, not for the generalization. We all had that message about generalization, and we all understood the message, even if we didn't have time to stop and react to it. so it's a matter of interpretation??? after i have seen generalization of all kinds in many threads since i first started on here? |
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No I mean commend, it was fairly recent in the the thread. And guilt by association goes both ways. condemning the entire the Christian religion and all it's many sub-order is just as bad. And that is exactly what happened in the beginning of this thread and you appeared to support it. So sympathy for you is a little tainted here. I guarantee my friend who is gay and a pastors assistant would have much to say people blaming all Christians for the actions of a few. I didn't read that into Fanta's post but if he said it I am sure it will come up again. You have yet to read my response to Fanta, explaining the guilt by association that I actually do feel is wrong. Well actually I think you misread me, but then I don't want to type another very long post to convince you that I am not what you have judged me to be. I have never blamed all christians for the actions of a few, I assure you of that even if you might assume it by my admitted anger with the doctrines of the church and biblical interpretations. |
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Absolutely, but some are going to blame the whole community.. Fanta, this just happened, so now we should what, shut down all gay events because this jerk did what he did? I have not been to his website, but if he has contracts with advertisers, should the be punished as well? I hope he looses advertisers on his site, something should tell him that he does not speak for us, but sheesh give it a few days will ya... A few days to get ads pulled makes sense, but to register outrage at what he did should be right away. Lynann was gloating over how great it was that the Christian community got some of it's own back, and you were basically right there with her. What kind of message do you think that sends. It's not significantly better than what Hilton did IMO. I am not one to gloat actually, but I do see the irony as she did, if we keep being told not to be so dramatic and sensitive then maybe the same goes for the other side? Maybe? Lynann is not responsible for what Perez did nor am I. So please irony from her is not the same thing. Plus when you have years and years of snide remarks coming from the Christian community it's bound to happen that some will point out that the tables have turned. But it's not the same as a deliberate act as Perez. And give me break will ya, I was agreeing with her over all message that it's interesting that the other side is in a sense where they put us for years. does that make any sense at all. I am starting to get tired... If you had read any of my posts in the last few months you would know I am not a gloater. Could have fooled me and as I said I'm a GLBT supporter. |
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No I mean commend, it was fairly recent in the the thread. And guilt by association goes both ways. condemning the entire the Christian religion and all it's many sub-order is just as bad. And that is exactly what happened in the beginning of this thread and you appeared to support it. So sympathy for you is a little tainted here. I guarantee my friend who is gay and a pastors assistant would have much to say people blaming all Christians for the actions of a few. I didn't read that into Fanta's post but if he said it I am sure it will come up again. You have yet to read my response to Fanta, explaining the guilt by association that I actually do feel is wrong. No I read it. And didn't care much for his response. But I haven't gotten to it, and may not tonight as I'm getting ready to leave. If you've been reading then you know I've been calling both sides out on this because I see garbage on both sides. Well actually I think you misread me, but then I don't want to type another very long post to convince you that I am not what you have judged me to be. I have never blamed all christians for the actions of a few, I assure you of that even if you might assume it by my admitted anger with the doctrines of the church and biblical interpretations. When you condone the gloating you condone it on all |
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