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Ya'll only up to 500. I know ya'll can do better than that!
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Edited by
davidben1
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Thu 04/23/09 12:23 PM
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Funny...how some cry out in support of the Constitution from one side of their mouth while ripping it to pieces from the other. But...any way the wind blows eh? Umm and our founding fathers fears that the majority would trample all others...dare I once more mention the tyranny of the majority our founder mentioned more than once. But...if you insist on majority rule as you trumpeted it in California then take note in New York state the majority favors gay marriage. The new Siena poll in New York State shows that a majority of registered voters here favor legalizing gay marriage -- a push that currently has the support of Gov. David Paterson and others, but is not guaranteed passage in the state Senate. The numbers: 53% favor, 39% oppose, with a ±3.8% margin of error. The internals show all regions of the state (New York City, the suburbs and Upstate) support it by various margins. Among religious sub-groups, only 41% of Protestants favor it to 53% against, Jews favor it 64%-32% -- and Catholics favor it by a 49%-41% plurality. In the racial cross-tabs, Whites are in favor 56%-36%, Latinos are for it 57%-31%, and African-Americans oppose it with 44% in favor to 49% against. I would dearly love to address this comment to a few individuals here but I will not...still you know who you are right? Rest easy, you will not be required to marry a person of your same sex if gay marriage is legal. Will you be required to see gay people daily? Why yes you will just as you are now. Gay people are your neighbors, politicians, plumbers, police, pharmacists, family members, children, teachers, students.... Gay marriage being legal might undermine the institution of marriage that's true. But only because when your gay neighbor, family member, cop...whatever...manages to make a success of his or her marriage when you cannot is going to force people to reexamine just what marriage means. Straight people have crapped all over marriage with abuse, neglect, indifference and selfishness...you cannot argue that when looking at the divorce rate. Wouldn't it be grand to see people who crave the right to marry make a success at it? Oh...and wouldn't that really make you haters mad? (I don't think all gay marriage will work but if more than 50% did wouldn't that give gay marriage a better grounding than traditional marriage?) It's lovely to see how many times God is mentioned in the documents of our founding fathers and gay in not mentioned once.Despite what you say the majority of Americans are on my side.The whole gay movement was gaining speed in the last few years but is going down like the Titanic now.Two of the most un popular groups of people in America right now are liberals and gays.I sleep well knowing your causes are rarely won and your ideas are a dying breed.Enjoy your lime light while you can. awh, but thee eternal power of the universe and all love are much more powerful than any percieved "unequal side", and those who wish but to win for itself the ways of furthering but unequality, see not any true equality, so know not love or equal for all, which be what this country was founded upon, EQUAL FOR ALL, and not giving each the freedom to "choose" for itself, as FREE WILL ADULTS AS EQUAL TO SELF, the universe itself shall crush such principle's low to the gound, and grind into dust and powder, as all things in the universe are equal, and all being's are given free will but to learn how to use it for good equality, and how to accept and find equality, which is what all love is based upon, and as the universe in these days march toward center and balanced within the mikly way, so to shall each mind be forced to greater equality of all, as if one believe in god ande preach some "god" wisdom, than believe god made the universe, and ALL people as equal, and as free to believe and choose as self, and this be the only power that withstand the test of infinitiy, as it unroll before the eye's of human man. unpeace to unpeace to unpeace in all harshness unto all unequal principle's it be. |
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 like it says in the profile "liberty for all" Well, I will not embarrass you on here. I will only say that you should have read a little more on what Thomas Jefferson had to say about Majority rule in Gov! you mean when he wrote democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority -------Thomas Jefferson--------- Give me a break.You take one sentence from Jefferson and you think that the entire voting system is based off of that?The founding fathers said some great things and they said some stupid things.One thing they didn't do is make sure the minority always won in elections.Grab a history book! give me a break show me where it says in the constitution where it says unless the majority says otherwise when it comes to the bill of rights until then you are wrong to think it is majority rule it is supposed to be that the constitution is the law of the land and no where does it say majority rule the president does not even have to have the majority of the popular vote to be elected so that in itself proves your and others claim that majority rule is the law of the land is incorrect Guess what? Our founding fathers who were educated for their time always figured that the citizens of this country would watch out for each other. They figured we would be in their mindset at the time in caring for our fellow countrymen's rights. The founding fathers figured we would grow and learn and be fair to the rights of all, they would not have made it so prevalent in our document if that was not the case. This is also the reason they made the government a representative government and not a mob rule. Every oppressed people in this country has had to fight for the rights our founding fathers said were a natural right. Why is that? |
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Edited by
scttrbrain
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Thu 04/23/09 12:56 PM
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I didn't watch the whole thing but, did see the last half. I was like (mouth wide open) and saying "oh no she didn't". She was a perfectly good contestant. She should have been more informed though. She made it religious...instead of civil. What with all the athiest and agnostics...other religious denoms...not to mention the gay populace...she should have searched her words better.
For her losing the contest due to that one thing....who knows. It wasn't just the gay and lesbian population that took offense. Kat |
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How about this thought...
Miss America is suppose to represent all Americans right? This country is pretty divided on the subject. She didn't have the intelligence, poise and where with all to answer in a way that would include all Americans and in doing so missed a golden opportunity to say that what makes this country great is that it is a country that allows us to disagree, to voice that disagreement and to pursue happiness (mostly...if gay marriage is made legal) in the ways that are in accordance with our own conscience. |
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Maybe you need to check the voting records for the last 200 or so years.Show me where anyone won by a minority vote. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/prestrivia1.html Four Presidents won the popular vote but lost the presidency: Andrew Jackson won the popular vote but lost the election to John Quincy Adams (1824); Samuel J. Tilden won the popular vote but lost the election to Rutherford B. Hayes (1876); Grover Cleveland won the popular vote but lost the election to Benjamin Harrison (1888); Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the election to George W. Bush (2000). maybe you need to study history a bit more like i said kinda proves majority rule is not the law of the land i answered your request that you asked why is it you have no response interesting very interesting |
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indeed, all human's are created equal, to believe and follow it's own heart, and have CONTROL OVER IT'S OWN BODY UNTO NON VIOLENCE, and nothing gay, or bisexual, or trans, or lesbian, never needed science to back them up in the first place, as FREE WILL IS BUT FREE CHOICE, and trying to use science as proof as some "validation", has only brought more struggle and clouds to the greater truth of equality, and the cause of solution and peace, of all as equal to choose what and how it govern it's own body???
but it cannot be missed, that in trying to prove it by science by many, even though at first this was due to guilt imposed by other's and what self first heard and seen, has made many other things believe each feeling of the human body as permenant, and destroy the notion of all things but passing thru discovery, and learning by discovery, each new age always passing thru greater choice than the last in all of history, and into whatever itself may truely be, and this in itself has fueled much of the other side being opposed to simple equality, as many do not seek but for this, but to promote such things as better??? if religion or conservatism, but see it position it's children to be more convinced and prone to such things, by standing against it as some evil and to abstain, indeed but actually push children to testing all the more the water's of what is out there, as indeed, ANYTHING TOLD TO A CHILD TO "NOT DO", AS A LAW, so spoken thru such energy of extemism, SHALL INCITE EVEN MORE DISCOVERY AND PRESSURE TOWARD SUCH THINGS WHEN IN THE DISCOVERY MODE OF LEARNING, even able to create such desire's in the first place??? if the gay community, that actually wish all or more to be gay, to validate itself, not all wishing or wanting this, actually seen that the harder the other fight agains this, the more would run to this, it would not despise the "right" at all??? so the see saw of the balance is played out, neither side seeing the true greater happening of all things, because it despise the other side, and such march the feet on to the drone of half sight of but one side alone... the line down the middle must be of equality and free "choice" for all, and breach the great gap of divide, between two sides that really do wish to care and respect each other, and only old bias's being pounded into the brains by all communication medium's, but foster this perpetual fighting against the otehr side mentality??? two sides viewed as true, show but solutions for two sides??? peace |
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Edited by
adj4u
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indeed, all human's are created equal, to believe and follow it's own heart, and have CONTROL OVER IT'S OWN BODY UNTO NON VIOLENCE, and nothing gay, or bisexual, or trans, or lesbian, never needed science to back them up in the first place, as FREE WILL IS BUT FREE CHOICE, and trying to use science as proof as some "validation", has only brought more struggle and clouds to the greater truth of equality, and the cause of solution and peace, of all as equal to choose what and how it govern it's own body??? but it cannot be missed, that in trying to prove it by science by many, even though at first this was due to guilt imposed by other's and what self first heard and seen, has made many other things believe each feeling of the human body as permenant, and destroy the notion of all things but passing thru discovery, and learning by discovery, each new age always passing thru greater choice than the last in all of history, and into whatever itself may truely be, and this in itself has fueled much of the other side being opposed to simple equality, as many do not seek but for this, but to promote such things as better??? if religion or conservatism, but see it position it's children to be more convinced and prone to such things, by standing against it as some evil and to abstain, indeed but actually push children to testing all the more the water's of what is out there, as indeed, ANYTHING TOLD TO A CHILD TO "NOT DO", AS A LAW, so spoken thru such energy of extemism, SHALL INCITE EVEN MORE DISCOVERY AND PRESSURE TOWARD SUCH THINGS WHEN IN THE DISCOVERY MODE OF LEARNING, even able to create such desire's in the first place??? if the gay community, that actually wish all or more to be gay, to validate itself, not all wishing or wanting this, actually seen that the harder the other fight agains this, the more would run to this, it would not despise the "right" at all??? so the see saw of the balance is played out, neither side seeing the true greater happening of all things, because it despise the other side, and such march the feet on to the drone of half sight of but one side alone... the line down the middle must be of equality and free "choice" for all, and breach the great gap of divide, between two sides that really do wish to care and respect each other, and only old bias's being pounded into the brains by all communication medium's, but foster this perpetual fighting against the otehr side mentality??? two sides viewed as true, show but solutions for two sides??? peace until it is realized how the govt is suposed to work there we always be those that say we outnumber you so we win and it does not work that way when the majority wants an unjust outcome -------------------------------------------- All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. Thomas Jefferson -------------------------------------------- if the majority was always to win we would not have had presidents that won the popular vote and lost the presidency |
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indeed, all human's are created equal, to believe and follow it's own heart, and have CONTROL OVER IT'S OWN BODY UNTO NON VIOLENCE, and nothing gay, or bisexual, or trans, or lesbian, never needed science to back them up in the first place, as FREE WILL IS BUT FREE CHOICE, and trying to use science as proof as some "validation", has only brought more struggle and clouds to the greater truth of equality, and the cause of solution and peace, of all as equal to choose what and how it govern it's own body??? but it cannot be missed, that in trying to prove it by science by many, even though at first this was due to guilt imposed by other's and what self first heard and seen, has made many other things believe each feeling of the human body as permenant, and destroy the notion of all things but passing thru discovery, and learning by discovery, each new age always passing thru greater choice than the last in all of history, and into whatever itself may truely be, and this in itself has fueled much of the other side being opposed to simple equality, as many do not seek but for this, but to promote such things as better??? if religion or conservatism, but see it position it's children to be more convinced and prone to such things, by standing against it as some evil and to abstain, indeed but actually push children to testing all the more the water's of what is out there, as indeed, ANYTHING TOLD TO A CHILD TO "NOT DO", AS A LAW, so spoken thru such energy of extemism, SHALL INCITE EVEN MORE DISCOVERY AND PRESSURE TOWARD SUCH THINGS WHEN IN THE DISCOVERY MODE OF LEARNING, even able to create such desire's in the first place??? if the gay community, that actually wish all or more to be gay, to validate itself, not all wishing or wanting this, actually seen that the harder the other fight agains this, the more would run to this, it would not despise the "right" at all??? so the see saw of the balance is played out, neither side seeing the true greater happening of all things, because it despise the other side, and such march the feet on to the drone of half sight of but one side alone... the line down the middle must be of equality and free "choice" for all, and breach the great gap of divide, between two sides that really do wish to care and respect each other, and only old bias's being pounded into the brains by all communication medium's, but foster this perpetual fighting against the otehr side mentality??? two sides viewed as true, show but solutions for two sides??? peace until it is realized how the govt is suposed to work there we always be those that say we outnumber you so we win and it does not work that way when the majority wants an unjust outcome -------------------------------------------- All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. Thomas Jefferson -------------------------------------------- if the majority was always to win we would not have had presidents that won the popular vote and lost the presidency the populous will always win as purposed, until self has empahtic confidence in itself, but depise's nothing "outside", as all things "outside" are but only to make self know cling more to what ITSELF is??? but, such can NEVER happen, if "outside" is seen as the enemy, as outside, is but a hurdle to make self a prize track star, able to jump each "hurdle of outside" with the skill of a champion, which cannot exist if anything "outside" has "blame" placed upon it as a "culprit" that be against self??? the same as to say, the 'environment', as ALL THINGS OUTSIDE, is and must be seen as 'perfect' in advance, before one will see HOW ITSELF CAN MAKE IT SO??? great insight man... peace man |
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z....now the thread is dead
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page 26 already...
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Well hell might as well be 126, it will be back again and it won't look much different than it has the the last 15 times we discussed it. At least not at Mingle.
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I can't believe it, this thread is dying!
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