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Why do we concern ourselves so much with the "effect" instead of the source and agenda of their creator? Hilton was wrong in his actions! Not because he was gay! Not because he was or wasn't a good religious or political advocate. To mention such a thing at all, using a "POSITION OF AUTHORITY" at a multi-racial, multi-denominational, mutli-cultured event to promote ANY agenda other than young ladies competing in a pageant for honors, thereby taking away from it and stirring up hostilities, THAT'S WRONG! I would have publicly pulled him from his position and had him escorted from the premises. Because of his actions, not his beliefs or choices. That would have been the statement I would like to have seen made. the fact that is was indeed, a multi racial, mutli denominational, multi cultered, lead more to perez's question being even more appropriate??? one could only deem it not, unless he was not deemed as part of the "multi cuture in itself"??? one could not deem it as not, unless it seen him, and his belief, as not part of multi racial, multi denominational, multi culture in itself!!!??? the beauty pageant is not about BEAUTY ALONE, IT IS ABOUT "ROLE MODELS" FOR THE "COMMUNITY", AND WHY INTELLECT IS RELEVANT, BELEIF'S ARE RELEVANT, AND ALL SUCH THINGS??? his actions came from his belief's, and his belief's asked a question, which directly related to MUTLI CULTURE HUMANITY??? yes, anything that speak what does not believe as itself, is often infuriated enough to carry out people, and is only but controling other's to be as oneself see fit, and does make most good??? peace |
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Why do we concern ourselves so much with the "effect" instead of the source and agenda of their creator? Hilton was wrong in his actions! Not because he was gay! Not because he was or wasn't a good religious or political advocate. To mention such a thing at all, using a "POSITION OF AUTHORITY" at a multi-racial, multi-denominational, mutli-cultured event to promote ANY agenda other than young ladies competing in a pageant for honors, thereby taking away from it and stirring up hostilities, THAT'S WRONG! I would have publicly pulled him from his position and had him escorted from the premises. Because of his actions, not his beliefs or choices. That would have been the statement I would like to have seen made. 
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Why do we concern ourselves so much with the "effect" instead of the source and agenda of their creator? Hilton was wrong in his actions! Not because he was gay! Not because he was or wasn't a good religious or political advocate. To mention such a thing at all, using a "POSITION OF AUTHORITY" at a multi-racial, multi-denominational, mutli-cultured event to promote ANY agenda other than young ladies competing in a pageant for honors, thereby taking away from it and stirring up hostilities, THAT'S WRONG! I would have publicly pulled him from his position and had him escorted from the premises. Because of his actions, not his beliefs or choices. That would have been the statement I would like to have seen made. the fact that is was indeed, a multi racial, mutli denominational, multi cultered, lead more to perez's question being even more appropriate??? one could only deem it not, unless he was not deemed as part of the "multi cuture in itself"??? one could not deem it as not, unless it seen him, and his belief, as not part of multi racial, multi denominational, multi culture in itself!!!??? the beauty pageant is not about BEAUTY ALONE, IT IS ABOUT "ROLE MODELS" FOR THE "COMMUNITY", AND WHY INTELLECT IS RELEVANT, BELEIF'S ARE RELEVANT, AND ALL SUCH THINGS??? his actions came from his belief's, and his belief's asked a question, which directly related to MUTLI CULTURE HUMANITY??? yes, anything that speak what does not believe as itself, is often infuriated enough to carry out people, and is only but controling other's to be as oneself see fit, and does make most good??? peace I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! |
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Not to split hairs, but the greatest commandment was "Love the Lord your God, with all your heart, mind and soul" This was the greatest of commandment. Second was "Love thy neighbor as thyself"...but that was a figurative statement, no literal statement. I don't think I have ever stated any sin as being good, or some sins greater then others, for if you believe the bible as the written word of God, they you have to accept it's judgements on all sinful behavior. I simple stated that I do not believe in gay marriage, I didn't say why or what caused me to believe that, you assumed that part. It was you that injected the bible or ones belief in it or not. You asked a question relating to heaven and I stated that in God's heaven, there will be no gay people...I did not write that, but that is what it says. Believe it or not. Just because one knows about the bible does not signify a particular belief in it as much as reading it does not signify your understanding of it...true As far as believing in the bible or not, you can or you don't have to , you can belive all the religions in the world and words of the universe, that is the great thing about America..you can believe what you want, and I can accept that without a problem. And for Temptr, I never stated that it was a sin, I said that in the bible God says that it is a abomination, those weren't my words. Take the issue to him if you have a problem with it. Can all sins be forgiven, since I am not God, I cannot answer that other then to say what the general concensis is, Blastphamy is the only unforgivable sin, but you cannot be forgiven for a sin if you are continuing to live in that sin. My statements on communism only comes from information from my visits to USSR and other communist nations and listening to people that have lived under its tyranny, if it is what you want,great, but I will believe those that have actually lived under it for my source of understanding on the subject. "love the lord "your" god with all your heart mind and soul"??? that is right indeed, each love "their lord their god" with all it's heart, mind and soul??? SO EACH DECIDE THIS FOR ITSELF!!! HOW CAN ONE LOOK TO THE LEFT, AND SAY YOUR GOD IS NOT RIGHT, MINE IS??? IT SAID SERVE "YOUR" GOD??? THAT MEANS EACH ONE HAS IT'S OWN, AND THAT IS NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT IT'S MIND, HEART, AND SOUL BELIEVE??? so each does this itself, and it is only one making "it's god" as what should be served by "other's", which make one not able to follow the "second greatest" of love thy neighor as thyself"??? if you want to serve your god, then you are commanded to allow another to do as you wish, to TREAT IT AS YOU WISH TREATED??? DO YOU WISH TO SERVE YOUR GOD??? THEN HOW CAN YOU TRY TO MAKE A GAY SERVE YOUR GOD??? god was called "love" was it not??? so you follow your god, of distain for all other's that do not believe as you do, so follow "your god", and i will follow my god, the god of love for ALL, the one that loved the WHOLE WORLD, and we both will live happily ever after??? nay, what hate simply destroy itself, by hating??? human civilization has taught us that has it not??? who needs to read that in a book to see that??? your book the "god", the one that believe in distain and despise of other's as self righteousness and peace, does not ever live forever, and always loses, so get not to live forever??? you serve your belief to attain eternal life??? but eternal life is but only for what love "unconditionally", or as god does??? as "god" is eternal, and love eternal, without ending, without condition, and did it not say to do as god, to be as god??? so what give??? to serve not the "true god", which was god is "love", is to not love all then??? if your text hold any validity??? but, then how can it have validity, as "to love thy neighbor as thyself" is just "figurative", so then "sin is an abomination", is "figurative" as well??? i think i get how this works, lol... believe in what purpose and bolster one's own idea's and hearts wish, and the rest is "figurative", so meaningless??? that can lead to nothing more than selective hearing, which be only proving what words one wish to prove as true, to suite oneself??? exactely why all words in the universe are truth, lol... but i still am going to serve "my" god as i see fit, and the only one i see your text speak of, was "love for all"??? not sure which one you read into it, but hey, that's your choice??? there is one thing for sure, NO DISTAIN OF OTHER'S GETS INTO HEAVEN, AS HEAVEN IS "TOTAL LOVE AND UTOPIA", SO DISTAIN OF OTHER'S AS LESS THAN SELF WOULD NOT LIKE IT THERE, LOL??? and besides, what the hell is wrong with utopia, IF one know what it is??? it certainly could never be based on some humans as not as good as some others??? this in itself, is where utopian dreams first go into distain of another sec, and try to FORCE SOME HUMAN THING INTO WHAT ITSELF WISH FOR THEM??? it must be all as equal, or in inception, or it lead into first distain, and then in short time, become as hate??? indeed, your text said "ALL" WERE CHILDREN OF GOD", AND ONLY "WOULD BE DICTATOR'S" TRY TO DECIDE "WHO" TO DEEM AS GOOD AND SO WHO TO LOVE AND WELCOME AS A BROTHER AND FRIEND??? if all are children of god, then all got a god brain, and all got the god damn right to use it for itself!!!??? peace To "argue" religion is like a game of tic-tac-toe. How can you make a valid point if another wishes not to believe in it's basic validity. "Lead by example" "You catch more ants with sugar" to "argue or attack" someones belief, will turn them against anything you may have to say from that point on. You've already lost! Spaceships leaving! indeed, there was some religion in the words, and some basic principles of common sense, and some principles of equality and many things besides just religion, lol??? all things are equally profitable, when used with wisdom and moderation??? what one call argue, is what another call as conversation??? how can one use a label of what is defined by billions as different, to instruct as to what is most good in human communiaction??? is it not the natural inclination, to hollor the "argue card" to anything that one wants to shut up, lol??? it is no different than using the "race" card??? the MOTIVE be the sole decider of all things that are created by thought, then words, then actions??? my words were posted within a quote box, as they were directed exactely to that individual??? there was a specific reason for this??? do you wish me to be you??? do you wish to carry me upon your shoulders??? do you wish create my destiny for me??? do you wish to be responsible for my very life??? provide for all my earthly needs??? then why do you instruct me to do as you would do??? why would i "wish to be as you", live as you, and become you, as if i believe as you, i will become as you will i not??? i have heard nothing that make me want to be somebody else??? is that bad??? you wish i trust your words??? each word from my mouth is my example, which be as each thought, and each word, and each action??? if a question is deemed as an attack, then i believe in the individual they are written to as having the total power and ability to speak this, and will hear all words??? this i have not heard from him??? how can a simple question be an attack??? did you see the question marks??? MY GOAL IS NOT TO WIN??? is that yours goal, so why you ask me this??? my goal is my goal, and each define it as they see fit, as each human does unto all??? if my words are read, then it is quite plain what my goal and sole motive in this life is, and that be equality in all life, and for all life, in each jot, and tittle, and word, and deed, and action. the speaker speak, the hearer decide what is true in all cases??? my words are but questions, and if they be taken as more, this be at the sole discretion of the hearer??? if my question is not relevant to anyone, than so be it??? i state my reality as each does, no more, no less??? could i not say the same to you, to lead by example??? the statement indeed in itself lead not by example, and is not able to, and but try to lead by all other's thru "advice and control"??? is it not the patent answer of all "control and selective hearing" in the universe??? it could not be spoken, unless the speaker deemed it's OWN WAY, AS SUPERIOR??? i understand you ask me to do this, because you deem my words must mean i think of myself as better??? this is understandable, and your decision to make, but it is not the motive nor feeling or thinking my words come from??? thanks for sharin your words of wisdom. peace man David, my comment was not personalized as I hope you understand. That is not my intention, rather it was the issue of beliefs. I simply meant, that to argue a point of religion to someone without such a belief system makes any point from then on invalid in their eyes. They have chosen not to agree with you before you have begun, therefore, like tic-tac-toe (usually), there are no winners. Communication is a wonderful thing, but it does require cooperation to be valid. My only point. Not personal. cooperation??? all words are valid to me??? are they not to you??? which one's do you deem as not valid??? do you only deem valid, the words that "match" your definition of "valid and cooperation standards"??? who's do you deem as not valid, that do not meet "cooperation" standards??? does that mean cooperate with what you deem as cooperation??? come on man, why use such things on me??? it was not taken personal, as each question posed to you was a question about the "principle's" of what you enclosed in a little box addressed to me, so indeed, it was a message from you a person, to me a person, so than personal between me and you, lol??? how can one speak, then get repsonse, and then say "not personal" lol??? is this not to say, your repsonse was not what i wanted??? so, can i say, your a dumb ****??? and then say, nothing personal??? just talkin about a principle??? or just kiddin man??? your too sensitive dude??? these are question about the principle of speech from me to you, totally personalized, as if they come from THE MOUTH, ARE NOT ALL WORDS PERSONALIZED BY THAT PERSON??? the speaker of all words, is totally accountable for all the words that come from the mouth, and to deem the "repsonse" appropriate, or meaningful, or vaild, based on what self think, lead but to believing in one thing, self as the dictionairy of what will be heard from others??? peace man |
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They were not words, or shared "direct" conversation with you. I was using your post "in context".
Therefore, not personal. Your failure to accept this is your choice, your right. I will make my apologies for using your post in my statement, wish you a wonderful life, thank you for sharing, and end possible continuation. I for one, will not debate religion. It is too personal and not productive in my eyes. |
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Why do we concern ourselves so much with the "effect" instead of the source and agenda of their creator? Hilton was wrong in his actions! Not because he was gay! Not because he was or wasn't a good religious or political advocate. To mention such a thing at all, using a "POSITION OF AUTHORITY" at a multi-racial, multi-denominational, mutli-cultured event to promote ANY agenda other than young ladies competing in a pageant for honors, thereby taking away from it and stirring up hostilities, THAT'S WRONG! I would have publicly pulled him from his position and had him escorted from the premises. Because of his actions, not his beliefs or choices. That would have been the statement I would like to have seen made. the fact that is was indeed, a multi racial, mutli denominational, multi cultered, lead more to perez's question being even more appropriate??? one could only deem it not, unless he was not deemed as part of the "multi cuture in itself"??? one could not deem it as not, unless it seen him, and his belief, as not part of multi racial, multi denominational, multi culture in itself!!!??? the beauty pageant is not about BEAUTY ALONE, IT IS ABOUT "ROLE MODELS" FOR THE "COMMUNITY", AND WHY INTELLECT IS RELEVANT, BELEIF'S ARE RELEVANT, AND ALL SUCH THINGS??? his actions came from his belief's, and his belief's asked a question, which directly related to MUTLI CULTURE HUMANITY??? yes, anything that speak what does not believe as itself, is often infuriated enough to carry out people, and is only but controling other's to be as oneself see fit, and does make most good??? peace I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! HOW WAS IT SO TUFF, TO NOT KNOW OR BE ABLE TO ANSWER, ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL IT'S OWN BODY, IF IT DOES NOT TAKE FREEDOM FROM ANOTHER HUMAN??? GOVERNMENTS CAN'T ANSWER THIS??? STATES CAN'T ANSWER THIS??? anything that think other's as just as valuable, and equal to self could answer this easily??? was his motive correct??? was his agenda correct??? you have an agenda??? is your correct??? is it any different than yours??? he think her was wrong, you think he be wrong??? the "WRONG CARD" is but show no knowing of how to create good, JUST WALKING AROUND SAYING WHO IS NOT GOOD, AND WHO IS WRONG??? so it is more, about what words will create, in everyone around self, that about who is right and wrong??? if equal for all was anyone's focus, than it would see perez as "creating this", even though his method could be refined, but then, who's could not??? if no equal for all is wished, then anyone hearing would hear perez as only trying to prosper a single agenda, and this indeed is what himself may see, but it cannot be missed, that if mankind accept other's thru and past labels, and beyond "differences", than this indeed promote more peace??? not peace to some that want peace for itself, and all to think and live as itself, but more toward all having equal rights, and being deemed as equal, which be the only true peace that could ever found common rights and goodness and happines, if there was more than one, and they were not IDENTICAL??? what i think of perez personally, or the girl personally, is of no matter, IT IS WHAT ALL THINGS CREATE FOR ALL, NOT JUST FOR SOME??? WHAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF GOOD FOR ALL??? if it is subject to "personal definition" of good by some, or one belief, which is what all would be "dictator's" would try to make, but, that argument and destruction of other people's has been never proved to work, by history proving it as fact??? TO ****ING FORCE OTHERS TO BE AS SELF??? to ****iung force others physically to BE THE GOOD SOME THINK AS GOOD??? it has to start in all equal first, then build from there??? IF NOT, it would continue forever, so it must be founded upon a PREMISE, A FOOTING, AND IT CAN BE NOTHING MORE THAN FIRST "EQUAL"??? sure, that is not easy for anything to accept, easily easily easily understood, but, what else is there??? you tell me??? you wanna carry the guy out??? what, would you then beat him up??? yea, he is a loud mouth, self promoting, but then WHAT IS THIS HERE??? is not EACH SELF PROMOTING??? what it most believe right??? SO IF YOU HAD A STAGE, WHAT WOULD YOUR MESSAGE BE??? LEAD BY EXAMPLE??? VALID WORDS ARE ONLY FROM SOME??? ALL WORDS HAVE TO FIRST BE DEEMED AS GOOD, BEFORE THERE CAN EVER BE ANY EQUALITY EVEN SEEN WITHIN HUMANITY, WHICH IS THE ONLY PEACE??? i totally understand every premise you speak from, no matter how it may seem. peace man racism and resentment is the DECIDER OF THE HEARER OF WORDS??? |
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I read this thread three times and I still have no idea what it's about
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Edited by
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Why do we concern ourselves so much with the "effect" instead of the source and agenda of their creator? Hilton was wrong in his actions! Not because he was gay! Not because he was or wasn't a good religious or political advocate. To mention such a thing at all, using a "POSITION OF AUTHORITY" at a multi-racial, multi-denominational, mutli-cultured event to promote ANY agenda other than young ladies competing in a pageant for honors, thereby taking away from it and stirring up hostilities, THAT'S WRONG! I would have publicly pulled him from his position and had him escorted from the premises. Because of his actions, not his beliefs or choices. That would have been the statement I would like to have seen made. the fact that is was indeed, a multi racial, mutli denominational, multi cultered, lead more to perez's question being even more appropriate??? one could only deem it not, unless he was not deemed as part of the "multi cuture in itself"??? one could not deem it as not, unless it seen him, and his belief, as not part of multi racial, multi denominational, multi culture in itself!!!??? the beauty pageant is not about BEAUTY ALONE, IT IS ABOUT "ROLE MODELS" FOR THE "COMMUNITY", AND WHY INTELLECT IS RELEVANT, BELEIF'S ARE RELEVANT, AND ALL SUCH THINGS??? his actions came from his belief's, and his belief's asked a question, which directly related to MUTLI CULTURE HUMANITY??? yes, anything that speak what does not believe as itself, is often infuriated enough to carry out people, and is only but controling other's to be as oneself see fit, and does make most good??? peace I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! HOW WAS IT SO TUFF, TO NOT KNOW OR BE ABLE TO ANSWER, ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL IT'S OWN BODY, IF IT DOES NOT TAKE FREEDOM FROM ANOTHER HUMAN??? GOVERNMENTS CAN'T ANSWER THIS??? STATES CAN'T ANSWER THIS??? anything that think other's as just as valuable, and equal to self could answer this easily??? was his motive correct??? was his agenda correct??? you have an agenda??? is your correct??? is it any different than yours??? he think her was wrong, you think he be wrong??? the "WRONG CARD" is but show no knowing of how to create good, JUST WALKING AROUND SAYING WHO IS NOT GOOD, AND WHO IS WRONG??? so it is more, about what words will create, in everyone around self, that about who is right and wrong??? if equal for all was anyone's focus, than it would see perez as "creating this", even though his method could be refined, but then, who's could not??? if no equal for all is wished, then anyone hearing would hear perez as only trying to prosper a single agenda, and this indeed is what himself may see, but it cannot be missed, that if mankind accept other's thru and past labels, and beyond "differences", than this indeed promote more peace??? not peace to some that want peace for itself, and all to think and live as itself, but more toward all having equal rights, and being deemed as equal, which be the only true peace that could ever found common rights and goodness and happines, if there was more than one, and they were not IDENTICAL??? what i think of perez personally, or the girl personally, is of no matter, IT IS WHAT ALL THINGS CREATE FOR ALL, NOT JUST FOR SOME??? WHAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF GOOD FOR ALL??? if it is subject to "personal definition" of good by some, or one belief, which is what all would be "dictator's" would try to make, but, that argument and destruction of other people's has been never proved to work, by history proving it as fact??? TO ****ING FORCE OTHERS TO BE AS SELF??? to ****iung force others physically to BE THE GOOD SOME THINK AS GOOD??? it has to start in all equal first, then build from there??? IF NOT, it would continue forever, so it must be founded upon a PREMISE, A FOOTING, AND IT CAN BE NOTHING MORE THAN FIRST "EQUAL"??? sure, that is not easy for anything to accept, easily easily easily understood, but, what else is there??? you tell me??? you wanna carry the guy out??? what, would you then beat him up??? yea, he is a loud mouth, self promoting, but then WHAT IS THIS HERE??? is not EACH SELF PROMOTING??? what it most believe right??? SO IF YOU HAD A STAGE, WHAT WOULD YOUR MESSAGE BE??? LEAD BY EXAMPLE??? VALID WORDS ARE ONLY FROM SOME??? ALL WORDS HAVE TO FIRST BE DEEMED AS GOOD, BEFORE THERE CAN EVER BE ANY EQUALITY EVEN SEEN WITHIN HUMANITY, WHICH IS THE ONLY PEACE??? i totally understand every premise you speak from, no matter how it may seem. peace man racism and resentment is the DECIDER OF THE HEARER OF WORDS??? As I said, we will have to agree to disagree on this. I believe he (Hilton) was inappropriate. I have no agenda other than being all that I can be, standing for what I hold as moral values, and defending not only my rights, but the rights of others, as I will for yours as well. Hilton overstepped his rights, his priviledge, used national coverage to promote his own agenda, perhaps harmed the well being of a beautiful young lady, and undermined the efforts of many by his actions. This is wrong by anyones moral code who possesses them. |
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I read this thread three times and I still have no idea what it's about  You're not alone it would seem.
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They were not words, or shared "direct" conversation with you. I was using your post "in context". Therefore, not personal. Your failure to accept this is your choice, your right. I will make my apologies for using your post in my statement, wish you a wonderful life, thank you for sharing, and end possible continuation. I for one, will not debate religion. It is too personal and not productive in my eyes. did you hear me say you were wrong??? did you hear me say your were a "against gays"??? did you hear me say you were a hater??? hell no, i would never make such assertions or statements of fact to anything alive!!! so then why do you think so ill of me, that you wish me a wonderful life, as we are somehow not friends??? because i don't believe as you do??? what do you mean they were not words??? not "direct conversation" with me??? yea, that is true, you only commetted and gave wisdom about what i said??? yea, you tagged my words, with what you thought about them??? you lable my words, and then say nothing personal, lol??? come one man??? debate is what you see, and how you define it??? debate is what i see and define it as??? that is equal??? so i will never speak to you, and DEEM YOUR WORDS NOT VALID, BECAUSE I TELL YOU YOU ARE DEBATING??? that is not any hearing of any words, except what meet self standard??? i did accept each word you wrote, as i expalined in total detail, out of repect and acceptence of your insight, and told how each thought, words, and action is the example??? i totally digested them, ate them, slept with them, mated with them, breathed them, then excreted them, as all words are done by all??? the words had no "principle" for me to follow, because they are not founded in any sight of all humans as equal, or they would never be spoken, which you have your principle, and i have mine??? i like mine better man, sorry, and nothing personal at all!!! a principle is founded in what does not come from the personal experience alone, but is a logic that can be applied to all things in the universe, and not change??? a constant??? beyond generalizations??? must be based the in a "founding"??? can't be what fit just some people, or one group, or one religion, nothing better than another, cannot favor one set of morals greatet then another??? peace man |
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I read this thread three times and I still have no idea what it's about You're not alone it would seem. i think it went awry |
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I read this thread three times and I still have no idea what it's about 
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I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! I am not sure who is disagreeing with you on his actions then and now. It infuriates me that he might be laughing now, but if we in this thread after this many posts blame the whole gay community for what one gay guy did then we are as ignorant as he is. If there was an agenda it was his, not mine. I was mowing the lawn and thinking about this. Actually this isn't going to cause that much harm really, people do stupid things and those that might have been on the fence, if they fall back to their original attitude because of this, they might not have stayed supportive anyway. This won't be the first time someone straight or gay has said or done something this stupid. |
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They were not words, or shared "direct" conversation with you. I was using your post "in context". Therefore, not personal. Your failure to accept this is your choice, your right. I will make my apologies for using your post in my statement, wish you a wonderful life, thank you for sharing, and end possible continuation. I for one, will not debate religion. It is too personal and not productive in my eyes. did you hear me say you were wrong??? did you hear me say your were a "against gays"??? did you hear me say you were a hater??? hell no, i would never make such assertions or statements of fact to anything alive!!! so then why do you think so ill of me, that you wish me a wonderful life, as we are somehow not friends??? because i don't believe as you do??? what do you mean they were not words??? not "direct conversation" with me??? yea, that is true, you only commetted and gave wisdom about what i said??? yea, you tagged my words, with what you thought about them??? you lable my words, and then say nothing personal, lol??? come one man??? debate is what you see, and how you define it??? debate is what i see and define it as??? that is equal??? so i will never speak to you, and DEEM YOUR WORDS NOT VALID, BECAUSE I TELL YOU YOU ARE DEBATING??? that is not any hearing of any words, except what meet self standard??? i did accept each word you wrote, as i expalined in total detail, out of repect and acceptence of your insight, and told how each thought, words, and action is the example??? i totally digested them, ate them, slept with them, mated with them, breathed them, then excreted them, as all words are done by all??? the words had no "principle" for me to follow, because they are not founded in any sight of all humans as equal, or they would never be spoken, which you have your principle, and i have mine??? i like mine better man, sorry, and nothing personal at all!!! a principle is founded in what does not come from the personal experience alone, but is a logic that can be applied to all things in the universe, and not change??? a constant??? beyond generalizations??? must be based the in a "founding"??? can't be what fit just some people, or one group, or one religion, nothing better than another, cannot favor one set of morals greatet then another??? peace man   |
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I don't have tv right now so I want to know if Perez is saying this was an agenda for him? I hate it when folks use the word agenda if it's not, so someone direct me to his words, saying this?
could he have not just done an ingnorant thing with out it being an agenda? I think so, not apologizing for his actions. |
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I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! I am not sure who is disagreeing with you on his actions then and now. It infuriates me that he might be laughing now, but if we in this thread after this many posts blame the whole gay community for what one gay guy did then we are as ignorant as he is. If there was an agenda it was his, not mine. I was mowing the lawn and thinking about this. Actually this isn't going to cause that much harm really, people do stupid things and those that might have been on the fence, if they fall back to their original attitude because of this, they might not have stayed supportive anyway. This won't be the first time someone straight or gay has said or done something this stupid. This was not something said randomly by a stupid person. Nor was it an accident. It was premeditated and said for the media attention that it has received! |
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Edited by
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I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! I am not sure who is disagreeing with you on his actions then and now. It infuriates me that he might be laughing now, but if we in this thread after this many posts blame the whole gay community for what one gay guy did then we are as ignorant as he is. If there was an agenda it was his, not mine. I was mowing the lawn and thinking about this. Actually this isn't going to cause that much harm really, people do stupid things and those that might have been on the fence, if they fall back to their original attitude because of this, they might not have stayed supportive anyway. This won't be the first time someone straight or gay has said or done something this stupid. I thank you boo for pointing out my error. I should have said "his personal agenda" if I didn't. My apologies for not clarifying better. |
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Edited by
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I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! I am not sure who is disagreeing with you on his actions then and now. It infuriates me that he might be laughing now, but if we in this thread after this many posts blame the whole gay community for what one gay guy did then we are as ignorant as he is. If there was an agenda it was his, not mine. I was mowing the lawn and thinking about this. Actually this isn't going to cause that much harm really, people do stupid things and those that might have been on the fence, if they fall back to their original attitude because of this, they might not have stayed supportive anyway. This won't be the first time someone straight or gay has said or done something this stupid. This was not something said randomly by a stupid person. Nor was it an accident. It was premeditated and said for the media attention that it has received! Again Fanta, we agree on something I do feel very strongly it was a personal agenda not shared by most if any.
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fanta...i tend to agree. those questions weren't ad libbed. they wer prepared before hand.
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I'm afraid we are destined to agree not to agree on this. He asked a 21 year old girl to answer a question states, governments and many individuals can't honestly answer without upsetting someone. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong question. Watching him laugh about it later in an interview, and stating (with a smile) that his question had cost her the title, only strengthens my belief on this. It was an agenda, poorly executed and causing great harm that will have a ripple effect as this thread shows. It furthers racism and resentment! I am not sure who is disagreeing with you on his actions then and now. It infuriates me that he might be laughing now, but if we in this thread after this many posts blame the whole gay community for what one gay guy did then we are as ignorant as he is. If there was an agenda it was his, not mine. I was mowing the lawn and thinking about this. Actually this isn't going to cause that much harm really, people do stupid things and those that might have been on the fence, if they fall back to their original attitude because of this, they might not have stayed supportive anyway. This won't be the first time someone straight or gay has said or done something this stupid. This was not something said randomly by a stupid person. Nor was it an accident. It was premeditated and said for the media attention that it has received! We don't know hollywood by now? Even if it was not an accident, should the whole community take the wrap for his actions? Rush gets media attention as well, so does he represent all republicans, i don't think so. |
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