A=negative, Theism=God -----No God. It does not mean, I dont believe in God. It affirms the negative.

You guys are ridiculous.

Only positive assertions require justification. That this is not understandable clearly highlight a lack of capability to reason in any rational sense.

The thread is all elongated now. Its annoying. Someone is being much too verbose in thier arguments.

Are you sure that isnt a junior college nubby?

I am working on my second degree. I understand you like to put others down. I see this often.

Um atheism makes a positive assertion.

This is how nubby argues,

Nahuh!

This is how nubby argues,

Nahuh!

Billy am I right that atheism affirm the positive.

No, you are not.

Asexual, whats that mean?

Atemporal, whats that mean?

a anything means without. It is really simple to undertand, only theist make is hard.

I can, and have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that the Biblical God can't exist.

The Bible cannot possibly be true. It contradicts it's own premises on every other page.

So the biblical picture of God has been disproven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Now if you're talking something along the lines of the more abstract notions of God such as Pantheism, then I agree, it's pretty hard to come up with evidence against that.

But the biblical picture of God?

That picture has disproven itself. You don't even need any outside information. The story itself shoots itself in the foot constantly. It can't possibly be true.

There are a myriad of reasons why it can't be true. The Great Flood and the Crucifixion being in the same story is proof that the Bible is false.

The Bible claims that God is unchanging (which a god must be if it is going to be trustworthy and dependable). A God who keeps changing the way he does things would be unstable and therefore untrustworthy.

Yet, the Bible has God dealt with the sins of humanity in two distinctly differnet ways.

The first time he drowned out humanity in a great flood. The second time he sent his son as a sacrifcial lamb to save mankind for sin.

This can only indicate a God who is not all-wise, and does not have a master plan and tries various methods to deal with the same problem. Such a God would clearly have a learning curve and not be all-knowing.

Therefore the whole story falls apart right there and cannot possible be true in all of it's claims.

In fact, if the story is not true in all of its claims, then clearly none of its claims can be trusted. Once we see falsehoods in the doctrine, then the entire doctrine must be brought into question.

The details in this are profound and exacting.

Not only does the Bible claim that God had changed his method of doing things, but he even changed his mind about how he expects us to behave.

As the God of Abraham he had taught us to judge our brothers and siters and stone them to death if we judge them to be sinners.

Yet, Jesus taught that we should not judge others and that neither should we stone anyone to death.

That's a completely and utter about face. That hardly represents an unchanging God. This would be a God who changes as drasically as night and day. But that flies in the face that God is dependable and unchanging. Therefore the Bible cannot possibly be true. It has proven itself to be false.

The God of Abraham had also taught people to seek revenge as in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but Jesus disagreed with that completely and taught that we should be forgiving and not seek revenge or harbor resentment and that we should turn the other cheek.

This would not be a stable unchanging God at all. This would be a God that had a major personality overall. A major change in what he wants and expects from human behavior.

Moreover, the Bible claims that God is all-wise, yet this God would be sending humanity very mixed messages. There is nothing wise about that.

The God of Abraham commanded us to murder heathens. This was God direct commandment. The Bible tells us that the God of Abraham decrees that it is our duty to seek out heathen and murder anyone who speaks out against the word of God!

Yet, this very same God supposedly send his son in human form to do precisely this thing?

Well, first off that would be utterly stupid. But that flies in the face that God is supposed to be all-wise.

However, lets assume that God really is this stupid and inconsistent.

Then we have Jesus coming and totally denouncing the teachings of the God of Abraham and we have the Jews denouncing Jesus, and having him crucified for blaspheme (just like the God of Abraham had COMMANDED that they should do!)

And now we see the religion split apart into two or more groups. Those who believe that the God of Abraham was telling the TRUTH, and those who believe that Jesus was telling the TRUTH.

Clearly these two Gods were in total disagreement with each other so we must choose between them. We can't possibly obey both of them simultaneously because they are telling us to do opposite things.

The Jews claims that Jesus did not speak for the God of Abraham and they cling to the original teachings.

The Christians claim that what Jesus taught was clearly on higher moral ground!

All that truly suggests is that the original God of Abraham was immoral to begin with!

This suggests that it would be immoral to judge others, to stone people to death, and to seek revenge.

This suggests that the God of Abraham was originally immoral!

This flies in the fact of the Bible's proclaimation that God is all-wise, all-knowing, or even sane or stable at all.

Now we have totally mixed messages!

Should we believe in Jesus who denounced the teachings of the God of Abraham, or should we denounce Jesus as an obvious blasphemist as the God of Abraham told us to beware of?

At the very BEST we have a confused unwise God who sends horribly mixed messages and leaves people in a state of total confusion and then just disappears to leave them argue over it amoungst themselves.

That is NOT a picture of an all-wise Fatherly Image God.

Clearly the Bible is a farce. It can't possibly be true becasue it contradicts itself in so many ways.

So to say that it's can't be proven that God does not exist may be true for some visions of God (like Pantheism), but it doesn't apply to the Biblical picture of God.

The Biblical picture of God is clearly false. There can be no question about that at all.

We can toss that picture aside as being totally false and move on to more positive and productive ideas.

The Biblical stories have proven themselves to be false.

That's a done deal.

Nubby you do not even clearly articulate your arguments this is half your problem.

It is also clear you do not really think about, or are incapable of thinking or understanding the arguments of others.

This I can only assume because you have not even tried to refute anything that has been said.

You just make Nahuh statements.

The only argument you dealt with of mine was the Kalam argument. Your rebuttall was a you tube video. I dont fully understand that video, I leave it to those who defend the argument.