So we have Xians, Atheists, Agnostics, Deists and Pagans, anyone else? Reminds me of that song National Brotherhood Week. Perhaps we should start off by referring to each other in the way that we wished to be referred as: for example, I am not an Atheist, I am an Asshole.

He has every right to believe in whatever he likes however once you bring the topic to a thread in the General Religion forum for a thousand eyes to scrutinize, you cant really become enraged when your thoughts and feelings are questioned. That’s kind of the point. I can believe in whatever I choose to and keep it to myself which is what I do

Right and then we are accused of "bashing" and "attacking" and all hell breaks loose. It happens almost every day like clock work.

I am an atheist asshole.

And yes Abra, people are entitled to believe false ideas as facts if they so choose

He posted ideas on a public debate forum and asserted that they are 'facts'.

He uses a lot of one liners and doesnt really refute anything thrown at him however. Ive been underwhelmed by his arguments thus far.

I dont think Calvin is very strong in the sciences either.

I have not argued much science.

Fact # 1: On the Sunday following his crucifixion, Jesus' tomb was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jacob Kremer, an Austrian scholar who has specialized in the study of the resurrection, "By far most scholars hold firmly to the reliability of the Biblical statements about the empty tomb."{14} According to the New Testament critic, D.H. van Daalen, it is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions.

23. Fact # 2: On separate occasions different individuals and groups saw appearances of Jesus alive after his death. According to the prominent, skeptical German New Testament critic Gerd Ludemann, "It may be taken as historically certain that...the disciples had experiences after Jesus' death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen Christ."{15} These appearances were witnessed not only by believers, but also by unbelievers, skeptics, and even enemies.

24. Fact # 3: The original disciples suddenly came to believe in the resurrection of Jesus despite having every predisposition to the contrary. Jews had no belief in a dying, much less a rising, Messiah, and Jewish beliefs about the afterlife precluded anyone's rising from the dead prior to the end of the world. Luke Johnson, a New Testament scholar at Emory University, muses, "Some sort of powerful, transformative experience is required to generate the sort of movement earliest Christianity was..."{16} N. T. Wright, an eminent British scholar, concludes, "That is why, as an historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty tomb behind him."{17}

25. Therefore, it seems to me, the Christian is amply justified in believing that Jesus rose from the dead and was who he claimed to be. But that entails that God exists.


Krimsa, am I justified in my belief that Christ Rose from the dead.

On the Sunday following his crucifixion, Jesus' tomb was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jacob Kremer, an Austrian scholar who has specialized in the study of the resurrection, "By far most scholars hold firmly to the reliability of the Biblical statements about the empty tomb."{14} According to the New Testament critic, D.H. van Daalen, it is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions.