Topic: Why I believe In God.
Nubby's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:24 PM
Edited by Nubby on Fri 01/23/09 01:28 PM
I am sorry but Atheism affirms the non existence of God. Today the reality of this has hit, and the definition is being changed.

Nubby's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:27 PM



Nubby you do not even clearly articulate your arguments this is half your problem.

It is also clear you do not really think about, or are incapable of thinking or understanding the arguments of others.

This I can only assume because you have not even tried to refute anything that has been said.

You just make Nahuh statements.



The only argument you dealt with of mine was the Kalam argument. Your rebuttall was a you tube video. I dont fully understand that video, I leave it to those who defend the argument.
Very selective post reading, not true at all. Again a whole thread I created on the cosmological argument, also the idea of a positive assertion being required for every non-belief. Which is right here in this thread, and you have decided to ignored it like many other questions and positions you have ignored.

I have showed how that leads to absurdity by using an example of anything of which we do not believe and showing how absurd it would be and impossible to have a positive belief in the lack of something farcical.




I have not read the thread. Not out of ignorance. But call it what you want.

Krimsa's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:27 PM
What real difference does it make in the end? It won’t matter until you are deceased. If it’s as the material atheists believe, then you won’t even be aware you are dead because everything ends at that point. If you are right and there is some kind of heaven, fine. The one difference is atheists don’t live in fear of anything.

Nubby's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:32 PM

What real difference does it make in the end? It won’t matter until you are deceased. If it’s as the material atheists believe, then you won’t even be aware you are dead because everything ends at that point. If you are right and there is some kind of heaven, fine. The one difference is atheists don’t live in fear of anything.



You really believe that? Your dead wrong. I can give qoutes from philosophers who would say your dead wrong.

Krimsa's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:33 PM


What real difference does it make in the end? It won’t matter until you are deceased. If it’s as the material atheists believe, then you won’t even be aware you are dead because everything ends at that point. If you are right and there is some kind of heaven, fine. The one difference is atheists don’t live in fear of anything.



You really believe that? Your dead wrong. I can give qoutes from philosophers who would say your dead wrong.


Dead wrong about what? I made a few statements there. Can you be more specific?

Inkracer's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:45 PM

I am sorry but Atheism affirms the non existence of God. Today the reality of this has hit, and the definition is being changed.


Seems to me that YOU changed the definition, to give yourself the illusion that you have good points. . .

Nubby's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:47 PM
Sorry, I know qoutes of atheists talking about there fear of being wrong.

Nubby's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:48 PM


I am sorry but Atheism affirms the non existence of God. Today the reality of this has hit, and the definition is being changed.


Seems to me that YOU changed the definition, to give yourself the illusion that you have good points. . .


No, I have heard this debated.

Krimsa's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:52 PM

Sorry, I know qoutes of atheists talking about there fear of being wrong.


That’s not what I am talking about though. A material atheist believes that once you die, you simply cease to be. Get it? Finito. Done. There is no judgment by some cosmic bad ass. No worries. Its lights out. Game over.

SharpShooter10's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:55 PM
Why do I believe in GOD?


Because I chose to basically.

It's a personal choice that all must make on their own. To believe, or not.

Read, study, pray, ask.

God will always give you what you need but never more than you can handle.


Nubby's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:58 PM


Sorry, I know qoutes of atheists talking about there fear of being wrong.


That’s not what I am talking about though. A material atheist believes that once you die, you simply cease to be. Get it? Finito. Done. There is no judgment by some cosmic bad ass. No worries. Its lights out. Game over.


I understand

Krimsa's photo
Fri 01/23/09 01:59 PM
You also don’t have to believe in the biblical god.

no photo
Fri 01/23/09 02:19 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/23/09 02:26 PM

Why do I believe in GOD?


Because I chose to basically.

It's a personal choice that all must make on their own. To believe, or not.

Read, study, pray, ask.

God will always give you what you need but never more than you can handle.


I can respect that, and I do respect you sharp. If only all theist where like you. Sigh.
Its really called intellectually honesty. I myself do not have the answers, so regardless of our differences in belief we are in this together.
Cheers my friend!
drinker


I am sorry but Atheism affirms the non existence of God. Today the reality of this has hit, and the definition is being changed.
Another I am incapable of refuting you so "nahuh!" Nubby moment.
Fascinating.

1) So are you saying that what I have said has no basis in logic? Are you saying that?

2) Are you then saying that since the only way to not believe in god is by positively asserting that god cannot exist, there fore all beliefs are then structured the same way?

I await direct answers to these two questions?

SharpShooter10's photo
Fri 01/23/09 02:33 PM
what's up Bushido?

Been trying to get my Southern butt used to this Northern weather, finally got moved to Maryland.

Don't have my computer hooked up yet, having to use someone elses. Hopefully be back online more in the near future.

missed a lot of folks on here

even you Abra laugh drinker

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 01/23/09 02:35 PM
:smile: The funny thing about my personal beliefs is that while I believe in "God" and the non christians call me a christian, a couple hundred years ago I would be getting burned at the stake for being a heretic.laugh

Abracadabra's photo
Fri 01/23/09 02:41 PM

Why do I believe in GOD?


Because I chose to basically.

It's a personal choice that all must make on their own. To believe, or not.

Read, study, pray, ask.

God will always give you what you need but never more than you can handle.


I can agree with this also.

The only thing I would suggest to people is not to get bogged down on one culture's idea of God.

I've found the most beautiful picture of God in mysticism and it resonates with every fiber of my being.

It's totally lovely. flowerforyou

Anything less would be less than divine.

Abracadabra's photo
Fri 01/23/09 02:47 PM

missed a lot of folks on here

even you Abra laugh drinker


My bark is bigger than my bite.

I've been a "Lone Christian" myself in the past. Fighting against the orthodox fundamentalists who use Jesus to spread hate.

I finally realized the folly in the doctrine and moved on. Now I have no tolerance for it at all.

Kind of like how ex-smokers hate cigerette smoke even more than people who never smoked. laugh

For whatever it's worth, I agree with the teachings of Jesus. I'm just thoroughly convinced that Jesus himself disagreed with the ancient doctrine of the mythical God of Abraham.

I still support Jesus as a wise man, but I'll never support Christianity as a wise religion. :wink:

SharpShooter10's photo
Fri 01/23/09 02:47 PM

:smile: The funny thing about my personal beliefs is that while I believe in "God" and the non christians call me a christian, a couple hundred years ago I would be getting burned at the stake for being a heretic.laugh
I'd probably be on the spit right there next to you laugh drinker

SharpShooter10's photo
Fri 01/23/09 02:52 PM


missed a lot of folks on here

even you Abra laugh drinker


My bark is bigger than my bite.

I've been a "Lone Christian" myself in the past. Fighting against the orthodox fundamentalists who use Jesus to spread hate.

I finally realized the folly in the doctrine and moved on. Now I have no tolerance for it at all.

Kind of like how ex-smokers hate cigerette smoke even more than people who never smoked. laugh

For whatever it's worth, I agree with the teachings of Jesus. I'm just thoroughly convinced that Jesus himself disagreed with the ancient doctrine of the mythical God of Abraham.

I still support Jesus as a wise man, but I'll never support Christianity as a wise religion. :wink:

I actually think I understand some of what you try to relay. I don't agree with a lot of what is taught, how it is taught and other things. I firmly believe that judgement will begin at the pulpit. It was after all, the religious element that crucified Christ.

Krimsa's photo
Fri 01/23/09 02:54 PM
I think I would have agreed with about 85% of what Jesus had to say and teach though I have trouble with some of it and find it to be questionable at best.

Christianity as a religious dogma...yuck.