Topic: Why I believe In God.
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Fri 01/23/09 04:42 PM
Edited by SharpShooter10 on Fri 01/23/09 04:43 PM
being a skeptic is not a bad thing, it just means you desire or need more information than some.

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Fri 01/23/09 04:46 PM

being a skeptic is not a bad thing, it just means you desire or need more information than some.


I think being skeptical is only a sign of being intelligent. Skeptics just like to evaluate all of the evidence before they reach any conclusions. It doesn’t mean that you need to believe or not believe their findings....it's just another opinion and you can take it or leave it.

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Fri 01/23/09 04:54 PM
Edited by Nubby on Fri 01/23/09 04:54 PM


I hear ya Krimsa.


Does this make me an "atheist"? Or more "agnostic"? Me not believing in the biblical sense of God.
Neither.

An atheist is merely the lack of belief in a god, agnostic is the belief that it is unknowable, you can believe in god and believe its unknowable and be an agnostic theist, or you could be an agnostic atheist. I would say I am the later.



I just tell people I'm non-religious...spiritual.

If you have a concept of god, and believe it to be true, you are probably either a theist, deist, pagan ect.

I guess spiritualist if you just believe in some kind of universal subconscious mind ect, I have heard that one before also.





Atheism is not lack of belief. It makes the claim "God does not exist"

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Fri 01/23/09 04:56 PM

I believe in a "higher power", or God as I see it (as a force or being...not a man). I DO NOT believe in a God striking down anyone who does not believe in his son. The God I believe in is too loving, caring, forgiving, and understanding, to send my soul to burn forever in a bad place...simply because I don't repent and accept Jesus.

I'm sorry. I just don't buy it.


ironic all you speak of was never written where it has been purtorted to come from?

who have you heard such GOOD NEWS FROM, LOL.....

perhaps it was from holy leaders, for many go out into the world and decieve, but yea to follow the heart where the kingdom of heaven called true unconditional love flow from, THAT CANNOT BE DECIEVED BY DOGMA AND DOCTINE THAT SOME CALL LOVE, be the eyes of the wise that see what love be......

such interpretations are only dressed and clothed with doctrine to hide the hungry wolf's desire to tear others flesh apart, being the desires to love all others equally to shredds.......

the sight of what TAKE AWAY AND TEAR DOWN, and lead AWAY from the inner sanctum called "wisdom", that only flow from the hearts of unconditional love, see wisely what only be SELF APPOINTED HOLY MINDS, that only spew forth with constant knowledge what distract, while one's own children are taken prey by the teeth of dogma..........

so it seems all your own words testify you are right on course good sailor....

peace


ditto's for not purchasing hate as some god or good......

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Fri 01/23/09 05:05 PM
I like you DavidBen.

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Fri 01/23/09 05:09 PM
Atheism is the belief that there is no God, from the negative a + theism. While atheism may broadly deny the existence of any god(s) or divine beings, it most often is a denial of the God revealed in the Bible. This may be contrasted with agnosticism, which neither affirms belief in God (theism) nor denies God (atheism) but leaves the question of the existence of God open or declares it unknowable.

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Fri 01/23/09 05:12 PM

I like you DavidBen.


i love all things, and only hate what take good and seperate all peoples from love, and such things some hold to with clenched teeth, and understandably so, many things once spoken could be easily defined in such ways, most if they have been perpetuated by many things in environment, but even so, only bigger teeth can take these away.....

peace friend....

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Fri 01/23/09 05:18 PM
Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: atheism
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Critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or divine beings. Unlike agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a God, atheism is a positive denial. It is rooted in an array of philosophical systems. Ancient Greek philosophers such as Democritus and Epicurus argued for it in the context of materialism. In the 18th century David Hume and Immanuel Kant, though not atheists, argued against traditional proofs for God's existence, making belief a matter of faith alone. Atheists such as Ludwig Feuerbach held that God was a projection of human ideals and that recognizing this fiction made self-realization possible. Marxism exemplified modern materialism. Beginning with Friedrich Nietzsche, existentialist atheism proclaimed the death of God and the human freedom to determine value and meaning. Logical positivism holds that propositions concerning the existence or nonexistence of God are nonsensical or meaningless.

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Fri 01/23/09 05:33 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/23/09 05:43 PM

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: atheism
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Critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or divine beings. Unlike agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a God, atheism is a positive denial. It is rooted in an array of philosophical systems. Ancient Greek philosophers such as Democritus and Epicurus argued for it in the context of materialism. In the 18th century David Hume and Immanuel Kant, though not atheists, argued against traditional proofs for God's existence, making belief a matter of faith alone. Atheists such as Ludwig Feuerbach held that God was a projection of human ideals and that recognizing this fiction made self-realization possible. Marxism exemplified modern materialism. Beginning with Friedrich Nietzsche, existentialist atheism proclaimed the death of God and the human freedom to determine value and meaning. Logical positivism holds that propositions concerning the existence or nonexistence of God are nonsensical or meaningless.
Look nubby something I think you fail to understand, is that encyclopedia's and dictionaries are in the business of describing all possible ways to define a given term.

What this means that we cannot use every single variable in every single dictionary or encyclopedia to define what we mean, we must agree on it before setting out on this debate otherwise we sure to fail at conveying unintelligible statements.

There for I have specified what atheism is for me, and you have quoted others who's arguments you hold in esteem as well as a passage from an encyclopedia that favors your argument (who cant do that lol), I have at least made my rebuttals, you have done nothing to further this conversation.

While you are trying to do is form a logical, coherent, and undeniable claim that god MUST exist, all that I am doing is saying that there is no logical, nor empirical evidence to convince me of such a beings existence.

Describe to me how that is not atheism, also describe to me exactly how that is a positive assertion, please do so, as you have failed to do so as of yet.

Atheists such as Ludwig Feuerbach held that God was a projection of human ideals and that recognizing this fiction made self-realization possible.
sounds far more plausible to me, that is for sure.

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Fri 01/23/09 05:45 PM


Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: atheism
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Critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or divine beings. Unlike agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a God, atheism is a positive denial. It is rooted in an array of philosophical systems. Ancient Greek philosophers such as Democritus and Epicurus argued for it in the context of materialism. In the 18th century David Hume and Immanuel Kant, though not atheists, argued against traditional proofs for God's existence, making belief a matter of faith alone. Atheists such as Ludwig Feuerbach held that God was a projection of human ideals and that recognizing this fiction made self-realization possible. Marxism exemplified modern materialism. Beginning with Friedrich Nietzsche, existentialist atheism proclaimed the death of God and the human freedom to determine value and meaning. Logical positivism holds that propositions concerning the existence or nonexistence of God are nonsensical or meaningless.
Look nubby something I think you fail to understand, is that encyclopedia's and dictionaries are in the business of describing all possible ways to define a given term.

What this means that we cannot use every single variable in every single dictionary or encyclopedia to define what we mean, we must agree on it before setting out on this debate otherwise we sure to fail at conveying unintelligible statements.

There for I have specified what atheism is for me, and you have quoted others who's arguments you hold in esteem as well as a passage from an encyclopedia that favors your argument (who cant do that lol), I have at least made my rebuttals, you have done nothing to further this conversation.

While you are trying to do is form a logical, coherent, and undeniable claim that god MUST exist, all that I am doing is saying that there is no logical, nor empirical evidence to convince me of such a beings existence.

Describe to me how that is not atheism, also describe to me exactly how that is a positive assertion, please do so, as you have failed to do so as of yet.


Billy, your making atheism as a term subjective. I am looking for the original term.

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Fri 01/23/09 05:46 PM
I am going for the original term, not the updated term,

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Fri 01/23/09 05:49 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/23/09 05:50 PM

I am going for the original term, not the updated term,
The problem is my definition is not only simple but logically consistent. While yours is all over the place.

If you try to use logic to make your arguments then all of your arguments must then follow the same rules of logic.

Nubby, I am sorry bro, but you fail.

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Fri 01/23/09 05:57 PM


I am going for the original term, not the updated term,
The problem is my definition is not only simple but logically consistent. While yours is all over the place.

If you try to use logic to make your arguments then all of your arguments must then follow the same rules of logic.

Nubby, I am sorry bro, but you fail.


I GOT MINE from the Encyclopedia of Brittanica. Dont blame me. I want the objective definition, the original definition. Do you?


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Fri 01/23/09 06:27 PM
What does objective mean?

And again logical consistency is imperative to your argument. I am not sure you understand this.

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Fri 01/23/09 06:42 PM


If the gospel message gets any clearer I'm going to throw up. sick

Please MorningSong, accept what I'm saying:

I don't believe that the male chuavinistic pigs who wrote the Bible spoke for the creator of this universe.

Period.

It has nothing to do with rejecting "god" or "free will".

The men who wrote the Bible were jerks. Plain and simple.

The creator of this unviverse wouldn't be a jerk.

End of Story.

The Bible has nothing to do with God.



flowerforyou flowers

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Fri 01/23/09 06:46 PM

I study to strengthen my faith.


So you aren't absolutely sure of what you believe? Why would you need to strengthen it if you were sure of it? I must be tired..

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Fri 01/23/09 06:47 PM

What does objective mean?

And again logical consistency is imperative to your argument. I am not sure you understand this.



intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book.

THe laws of logic have everything to do with this.

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Fri 01/23/09 06:52 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/23/09 06:53 PM
Except that you posit that beliefs are required for every idea.

In which I gave several examples that clearly show the absurdity of that statement

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Fri 01/23/09 06:52 PM


I study to strengthen my faith.


So you aren't absolutely sure of what you believe? Why would you need to strengthen it if you were sure of it? I must be tired..


I have good reasons why I believe.

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Fri 01/23/09 06:54 PM

Try telling that to the majority of modern scholarship. Its a fact.


The majority of what? Christian scholarship? Can't be the majority of all scholarship. And NONE of them have absolute facts, just theories.