Fine, take the whole cross thing out of the equation. . .
in this day and age, if you knew a guy who hung out with 12 other guys, ALL the time, you'd call him gay. . .

Try telling that to the majority of modern scholarship. Its a fact.

Yes

It was a joke. But simply put this thread will get argued and argued and never resolved. No one will ever come to agreement on the different sides. It will just keep going and going... just like the lil energizer bunny.

No one has even said a word about my 4 "facts" concerning Jesus.

No it really doesn't. Because as an atheist, I can be wrong. As an atheist, I can accept scientific fact, and people who are different from me, because I don't have a book that tells me that science is wrong, or that those people are sinners.

I refer back to my earlier post...

Whenever he can’t over a rebuttal, he just ignores the question and denies it ever being submitted in the first place. That has been his modus operandi.

Again, yes people have said things about your "facts", but you choose to turn away and ignore what people have said, so that you can hold onto your delusion.

22. Fact # 1: On the Sunday following his crucifixion, Jesus' tomb was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jacob Kremer, an Austrian scholar who has specialized in the study of the resurrection, "By far most scholars hold firmly to the reliability of the Biblical statements about the empty tomb."{14} According to the New Testament critic, D.H. van Daalen, it is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions.

23. Fact # 2: On separate occasions different individuals and groups saw appearances of Jesus alive after his death. According to the prominent, skeptical German New Testament critic Gerd Ludemann, "It may be taken as historically certain that...the disciples had experiences after Jesus' death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen Christ."{15} These appearances were witnessed not only by believers, but also by unbelievers, skeptics, and even enemies.

24. Fact # 3: The original disciples suddenly came to believe in the resurrection of Jesus despite having every predisposition to the contrary. Jews had no belief in a dying, much less a rising, Messiah, and Jewish beliefs about the afterlife precluded anyone's rising from the dead prior to the end of the world. Luke Johnson, a New Testament scholar at Emory University, muses, "Some sort of powerful, transformative experience is required to generate the sort of movement earliest Christianity was..."{16} N. T. Wright, an eminent British scholar, concludes, "That is why, as an historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty tomb behind him."{17}

I went to Western Michigan also, and Calvin is not a junior college. Its a very good college. But I understand you like to be rude.

As an atheist, you can't show proof that God doesn't exist. Therefore you are relying on faith.

and believers will swear up and down that Jesus never had sex with Mary Madelene ....

So does it take faith to not accept that a flying spaghetti monster lives and created the universe. Does it take faith to not accept that pink invisible flying space unicorns exist and poop on you while you sleep?

Does it take faith to not accept that heroin is really pudding and eating it make you smart?

You guys are ridiculous.

Only positive assertions require justification. That this is not understandable clearly highlight a lack of capability to reason in any rational sense.

It isnt rude. Calvin is a Christian school. I thought it was a junior college. That is not rude.

Um atheism makes a positive assertion.