What came first? The chicken or the egg?


The same question applies here.


How did God get here? Or has he been here from the beginning of time? Nobody really knows, therefore it is all based on theory and assumptions.

I already blew your very first reason clearly out of the water.

Your reply to that was that I should read the scriptures. But I already have read the scriptures and they totally fly in the face of what we actually know about reality.

I don't believe in a hateful God who has people nailed to poles to appease himself.

Sorry.

There are far better pictures of God around. Why put your faith in such a hateful picture of a loser God.

And yes, if you want to talk about reading the scriptures let's talk about that for a momment.

According to the Bible the God you've choosen to believe in is in competition for human souls with a fallen angel.

According to scipture this fallen angel is the big time winner of souls.

At one point the biblical God had lost his creation so bad that he had to flood the entire planet and flush all the lost souls over to his gambling partner.

He clearly had already lost any wars, or bets, or games that they might have been playing. But just the same he asked for a redeal and saved a few choice humans on a ark.

But then the God continued to lose souls. No one seems to like this God very much for some reason. He threatens to send them to hell and they still aren't willing to love him.

Poor God, he's such a loser.

And we know this for the Bible tells us so!

Even Jesus himself came along in the New Testament and verified that God is a loser.

Jesus said that the path is straight and the gate is narrow to the kingdom of God and few will make it.

So there you have it. Even Jesus confirms that the fallen angel is winning the vast majority of souls that the Biblical God creator.

For the Bible tells us so!

The Bible clearly confirms that God is a loser, and he's losing to a mere fallen angel.

This is a picture of a very pathetic creator who loses the vast majority of souls that he creates.

And so there you go. A confirmation by the Bible itself that its God is a loser.

I think the book was written by idiots who shot themsleves in the foot.

They originally started this thing as an excuse for their male chuavinism and to murder their enemies in the name of God. But they just got totally carried away with it and ended up shooting themselves in the food time and time again with contradiction after contradiction after contradiction.

I'm totaly convinced that it's the most ungodly publication ever released by the presses.

We can all hope and pray to the real powers that be that the Holy Bible is not the word of any God.

Many people have also claimed to see Elvis after he died, when does he get his own religion?

Then the statement above describes the innate spirituality known as the WILL. If this is true then you are saying that WILL IS GOD. WILL is the soul and SOUL is GOD.

Also, if this WILL or SOUL exists within each human as the creative spark, then you are saying what pantheists have been saying, and that is that WE ARE GOD and that each of us have GOD within us.

This is a generic idea of God that can be embraced by all religions and not laid claim to by just one who then turns around and tells others that they worship false gods.




There again you speak of that inner voice of God, saying that God's origin is within us and part of us.

That being agreed upon, then why is it such a leap to think that we are God? All of us are God, because God and God's will is within us. It IS US.





As I have said time and time again, once you define God, then I will know how to prove or disprove ITS existence as IT relates to me.

If you say that Jesus is God or that some other alien being is God I will say ... I cannot believe you.

But if you say that God is a spirit and a will that exists and live in us I will say that I know IT exists because I AM THAT.

Truly, and in that sense we all experience God all the time.

I think even most atheists even believe in God in that way.

They only claim to be atheists because they denounce the biblical idea of a loser God who is losing a war with a fallen angel by the Bible's very own proclamations.

Where they ready to die for it.?????????????

Give me one question at a time. I want your best. I wont do this for long. Now is your chance.

Since "fact" #2 doesn't deal with people willing to die because they "saw" "Jesus", I don't see how the willingness to die for something that one has "seen" comes into the equation.

Would you die for Jesus?

Have you ever seen him?

Besides, you're just using the Bible to support the biblical story.

That would be like using Greek Mythology to support Greek Mythology.

Read Humpty Dumpty.

He fell off a wall, and all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

So now we know that this must be a fact.

They have found the profile of Jesus in a tortilla in Mexico. So there.

What does being willing to die for it have to do with anything?

I know for a fact that is not a picture of Jesus. It looks like some guy with a beard. His name is Jimmy, he sells drugs on Colfax Avenue in Denver. I saw him myself.

Every guy with a beard is not Jesus and every image of a woman with a robe is not a picture of Mary, mother of God.

I thought I saw Jesus on TV!

It turned out to be George Carlin.

what exactly are you saying here? Are you saying that you do believe in a god, just not the God of the bible?



Yamin

Are you not familiar with Pantheism?

I am saying that whether I believe in God or not depends on the definition of GOD.

IF YOU SAY that God is SPIRIT and that GOD is a WILL that exists and lives in me and in us I will state that I KNOW that God exists because I AM THAT.

In short, I know that God exists because I know that I exist.

I AM and I am certain only of that. My own existence.

I am divine, I am life, I exist.

I AM.

"filmfreek" it shouldn't matter which came first since like the universe both was created by a creator and neither popped out of nothingness

so if it's logical that the chicken or the egg or the universe just didn't pop out of nothingness then wouldn't the same logic apply to God

can this be answered without quoting from the bible ..or if one must quote from the bible can they explain the quote rationally

Yeah...most people will argue that there is no "begining of time", yet the bible clearly states in the first sentence..."IN THE BEGINNING". My question is how did God arrive at the beginning, and if he was already there, BEFORE THE BEGINNING, then why doesnt the bible say anything about that?

There is also scientific, organic proof that dinasours existed on earth AFTER the "beginning", but the bible does not mention them at all.

Well, it pretty obvious that if God is eternal, and the earth is only 6,000 years old, then God must have created an infinite number of worlds before, and infinitely many monkeys and humans.

His poor son must have had to have been nailed to a pole infinitely many times to save all those infinitely many civilazations from,....

From What?

Here here comes the REAL NEMESIS of the biblical story!

FROM SATAN!!!

Oh but wait!

With God there is no such thing as time as we know it!

Therefore it would be utterly impossible for an angel to have fallen from grace.

WHEN would he have done it?

Just recently?

Or did that happen infintely long ago?

The idea of an infinite timeless God being a "war" with a stupid fallen angel is utter nonsense in so many ways.

Not the least of which is that it flies in the face of God being all powerful in the first place.

If it's God's RULE that the wages for disobedience is DEATH. Then why didn't God put that disobedent angel to death instantly when it disobeyed?

Playing war games with a stupid fallen angel at the expect of human beings is utter nonsense.

Of course, we could take the whole thing as a mere parable.

Satan represent our own ego, being 'born again' means we must lose the ego, etc, etc, etc.

But all that does is deny Christianity as it's taught today and moves it into the realm of an analogy for Buddhism.

Even the crucifixion of Christ would have just been an analogy for losing your ego.

If we're going to go that route we may as well just become Buddhists outright and forget about this idea of a jealous egotistical godhead that sends people to an eternal hell.

I seriously don't understand how any genuinely rational person can buy into the biblical stories literally.

In fact, don't believe it's possible. I personally feel that those who buy into aren't being rational.

That's all there is to it.

They may be good people who want to do the 'right' thing so they buy into a religion that was sold to them as the 'right' thing to buy. But other than that there's really no rational reason to believe such an absurd myth.

And it's certainly not anything that anyone would want to put their faith in.

Who would want to put faith in the idea that they failed their God and he had to have his son nailed to a pole to pay for their blatant rebellion?

That's certainly not anything that any sane person would want to be true if they didn't have to believe it.

So why would anyone want to believe it on pure 'faith'?

I certainly don't feel like I've failed my creator.

So it makes no sense to me.

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