Topic: WARNING: Dangerous Concepts of Christianity!
TBRich's photo
Mon 01/26/09 12:43 PM



I'm ok with my own beliefs and claim nothing more, or less...


Are your beliefs based on scripture or man's tradition? There is a HUGE difference.

Shalom!


They're based on my interpretation of my own spiritual and physical experiences.
You can tell me how wrong that is until you're blue in the face, but it will be your wasted time,not mine...

God bless


Aha! So you admit that your belief in G-d is based more on your own individual phenomological experience! Versus any historical or other proof. Does it not feel good to tell the truth!!

Krimsa's photo
Mon 01/26/09 02:44 PM
Do designer Christians wear designer pants I wonder? huh

davidben1's photo
Tue 01/27/09 02:59 PM
ANY professors of self as good to others because this is what the mind is trying to convince itself of, become as dracula's, sucking the life as blood out of all things it see, taste, smell, hear and touch.......

self interest thrusting itself to a top trying to PRESERVE it's FUTURE in OTHER WORLDS, thinking this will come BEFORE allowing self to see all others as equal value in WANT, LEARNING TO MASTER THIS WORLD FIRST, nothing more than chunking out any beleif it see will create this motive within, seeing it cannot be of equal, is it say SOME ARE NOT EQUAL?

clinging to anything more HIDE the sight of HOW to create for ourselevs a good BIG house called earth?

equal be the name, that resolve the game, show what wish fame, what curse the lame, what deny the power of SAME!




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Tue 01/27/09 03:25 PM
all religions claim they have the truth. Whose correct?flowerforyou

davidben1's photo
Tue 01/27/09 05:14 PM

all religions claim they have the truth. Whose correct?flowerforyou


ALL OF THEM!

Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 01/27/09 05:20 PM
Matt 7:13-14

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction , and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
NKJV

Krimsa's photo
Tue 01/27/09 05:23 PM

all religions claim they have the truth. Whose correct?flowerforyou


Probably none in which case the Atheists were right all along but this will never be communicated to the living of course. Certain religions seem to make more sense to me. If I was forced to accept one, ehhh I don’t know.

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Tue 01/27/09 06:22 PM

Matt 7:13-14

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction , and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
NKJV



YEA INDEED GOOD BROTHER THAT SPEAK TRUTH, AS EQUAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE WAY OF THE "NARROW PATH OF THE LIKE "NARROW MINDED" INDEED, SO TURN FROM THY WICKED WAYS TODAY, AND ACCEPT THOUT THY SLAVATION.....

well, if your gonna preach, then prach it brother........

SO WHICH DIRECTION YOU THAT DEEM READY TO CARRY ME TO THE PEARLY GATES?

EQUAL, UNEQUAL?

which be your DOGMA?

does it say, SOME OTHERS "NEED TO JUMP THREW HOOPS TO QUALIFY FOR ACCEPTANCE INTO THE "correct god club of the month club"?

HAVE NOT ALL GREAT MINDS HAVE TO HAVE FIRST A KNOWING OF "WHO" TO BUILD THE HOUSE IT WISH?

do you wish to NARROW your GATES, and DECIDE WHICH OTHER BE OUTSIDE?

then are you not FOUND IN DIRECT CONTEMPT OF THE LAW WRITTEN UPON THE PAGES OF THE BOOK YOUR GOD?

did it not say, AS ONE JUDGE, SO IS IT JUDGED?

cool, then it's ok that i'm a judgin ya today, since i follow the book too......WEE HEE

i know i right, so i'm not afraid, na na, na na........

you may now stick out your tongue and slay me, as you are now my judge....

YOUR TURN, NO RULES HERE IN THE GROWN UP PLACE.......

oh damn, i forgot, some harmful picture's might be created in the "minds of the readers" of the "narrow minded", so please bear this fact in mind, and RESTRICT YOUR SPEECH TO THAT WHICH HAS BEEN DEFINED AS MOST ACCURATE AN ACCEPTABLE SPEECH WHILE WANDERING THRUOUT HALLS OF THE "KINDERGARTEN CLASSES HAPPENING DOWN THE HALL"......

how is this any DIFFERENT THAT THE PIOUS SELF RIGHTEOUSS DEMAND OF HOW SOME ARE NOT GOD, WHILE SELF IS?

give me a ****ing break.....

MODS....

just a quick note to mention really appreciate the GREAT TECHNOLOGY YOU HAVE INCORPORATED TO "PROTECT" THE HEARING OF THE STILL INNOCENT AND YOUNGER GRADES......

peace





Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 01/27/09 06:55 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Tue 01/27/09 06:56 PM
I have said all you need to know to enter into life.

It is your choice whether you have ears to hear or nor.

That is the miracle os Salvation. To hear the truth and act on it will set you free.

You find what i say as strange. It does not align up with what you have been taught.

Remember if it were not for the chosen the whole world would be decieved.

Billions saying they believe doe now mean anything but deception David.


You want to see the OT as old.. This is another deception it is not old. Men put these labels on the scriptures for thier own reasons of teaching you that the old was done away. around 15 to 20 years after Yahshua's death we find Paul doing what is said is completely against the NT.

Explain why he did this and what gave him the right?

Acts 21:17-29

17 And when we had come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 When he had greeted them, he told in detail those things which Yahweh had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Master. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality."

26 Arrested in the Temple


Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.

27 Now when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, "Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place; and furthermore he also brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place." 29(For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
NKJV


What is this he is doing?

Why were they so worried about the law? Shalom...Miles

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Tue 01/27/09 07:21 PM


all religions claim they have the truth. Whose correct?flowerforyou


Probably none in which case the Atheists were right all along but this will never be communicated to the living of course. Certain religions seem to make more sense to me. If I was forced to accept one, ehhh I don’t know.


everything is half truth, half truth?

EACH RELIGION, THE ORIGINAL WORDS, THEN THE SELF INTEREST TO SHAPE TOWARDS A MOTIVE OF THE HEART, which if ANY religion first say, SOME ARE OF THIS TRUE GOD, AND YOU OTHERS, sorry, goin the the nasty place, IS NOT BUILT ON EQUAL AT ALL, as most were in the first CONCEPTION, but simply accessing ONE things as any better than something else, IS THE FIRST THING THAT "MUST" BE DONE TO LEAVE EQUALITY?

so it seems ALL GOOD MORALS IS ABOUT EQUAL FOR ALL, so whatever ain't equal, or say's something out there is MOST AND MORE EVIL THAN SELF, then pretty good guess, it ain't from any GOD OR BELIEF THAT MAKE GOOD, OR GOD, OR EQUAL, OR TRUTH, OR LOVE, OR COMPASSION, OR KNOWING, OR WISDOM, OR POWER, as does not the good guy usually win in the end, so hows this any different?

is not the good god one that don't kill people by making big firery furnaces to roast em, and say kill people and you get to heaven, probably a good of what is more love......

PEACE

take either half, EXACTELY THE PART THAT ONE SAY IS FALSE, AND ACTUALLY PROVE IT AS TOTALLY NOT POSSIBLE, as having no possible way of being POSSIBLE, YOU STILL COME OUT WITH THE SAME RESULT?

nobody is even actaully thinking about proving anything, as what more is total delusion than ALL IS SUBJECTIVE?

it's most just BOUNCING FROM NEGATIVE FEELING TO NEGATIVE AT THE DAMN EVIL OUT THERE, BOUNCING ON THE WAY TO EASTER BUNNY GLORY LAND.......



sista feral, i do believe i feel the power of god emitten from your soul oever there.......

SO THEN WHY DO YOU THINK YOU BE THE JUDGE OF OTHERS HAVIN THE "GOD" FEEELIN, as you must be gettin some evil vibes over there from me....

JUST WHICH EVIL SPIRIT DO YA FEEL, AS YOU I TRSUT WITH MY LIFE, AND ETERNAL RESTIN PLACE, SINCE GOD DID TELL YA HOW TO SAVE ME, and the REST OF THE WHOLE WORLD...

whew, most that CARRIED HEAVY LOADS SEEING THE MAGNITUDE OF OTHERS LIVES, LIKE OLE ABE, AND OLE WASHINGTON, AND JESUS, AND BOTH LUTHERS, AND BOTH PAULS, AND BOTH MOSES, AND THE DEAR PASSED MOTHER THERESA, had many forlong days feeling the heavy weight of all those sins the world of the POSSESSED ZOMBIES OF EVIL OF THE WORLD....


SO TAKE WHAT THE FEEL GOOD, AND CHUCK THE REST?

thats not so hard, less one has been convinced itself doesn't have even a brain, to know what is good and bad?

as long as it meet your own expcections of making yourself happy, then you know you got it, as god's probably happy, so this might not be a bad place to start.....

SUELY IF THERE IS A GOD, AND "IF" IS IS ALL POWERFUL, THE MOST POWERFUL ENOUGH TO SHOW WHAT MAKES SENSE..........

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Wed 01/28/09 07:39 AM



all religions claim they have the truth. Whose correct?flowerforyou


Probably none in which case the Atheists were right all along but this will never be communicated to the living of course. Certain religions seem to make more sense to me. If I was forced to accept one, ehhh I don’t know.


everything is half truth, half truth?

EACH RELIGION, THE ORIGINAL WORDS, THEN THE SELF INTEREST TO SHAPE TOWARDS A MOTIVE OF THE HEART, which if ANY religion first say, SOME ARE OF THIS TRUE GOD, AND YOU OTHERS, sorry, goin the the nasty place, IS NOT BUILT ON EQUAL AT ALL, as most were in the first CONCEPTION, but simply accessing ONE things as any better than something else, IS THE FIRST THING THAT "MUST" BE DONE TO LEAVE EQUALITY?

so it seems ALL GOOD MORALS IS ABOUT EQUAL FOR ALL, so whatever ain't equal, or say's something out there is MOST AND MORE EVIL THAN SELF, then pretty good guess, it ain't from any GOD OR BELIEF THAT MAKE GOOD, OR GOD, OR EQUAL, OR TRUTH, OR LOVE, OR COMPASSION, OR KNOWING, OR WISDOM, OR POWER, as does not the good guy usually win in the end, so hows this any different?

is not the good god one that don't kill people by making big firery furnaces to roast em, and say kill people and you get to heaven, probably a good of what is more love......

PEACE

take either half, EXACTELY THE PART THAT ONE SAY IS FALSE, AND ACTUALLY PROVE IT AS TOTALLY NOT POSSIBLE, as having no possible way of being POSSIBLE, YOU STILL COME OUT WITH THE SAME RESULT?

nobody is even actaully thinking about proving anything, as what more is total delusion than ALL IS SUBJECTIVE?

it's most just BOUNCING FROM NEGATIVE FEELING TO NEGATIVE AT THE DAMN EVIL OUT THERE, BOUNCING ON THE WAY TO EASTER BUNNY GLORY LAND.......



sista feral, i do believe i feel the power of god emitten from your soul oever there.......

SO THEN WHY DO YOU THINK YOU BE THE JUDGE OF OTHERS HAVIN THE "GOD" FEEELIN, as you must be gettin some evil vibes over there from me....

JUST WHICH EVIL SPIRIT DO YA FEEL, AS YOU I TRSUT WITH MY LIFE, AND ETERNAL RESTIN PLACE, SINCE GOD DID TELL YA HOW TO SAVE ME, and the REST OF THE WHOLE WORLD...

whew, most that CARRIED HEAVY LOADS SEEING THE MAGNITUDE OF OTHERS LIVES, LIKE OLE ABE, AND OLE WASHINGTON, AND JESUS, AND BOTH LUTHERS, AND BOTH PAULS, AND BOTH MOSES, AND THE DEAR PASSED MOTHER THERESA, had many forlong days feeling the heavy weight of all those sins the world of the POSSESSED ZOMBIES OF EVIL OF THE WORLD....


SO TAKE WHAT THE FEEL GOOD, AND CHUCK THE REST?

thats not so hard, less one has been convinced itself doesn't have even a brain, to know what is good and bad?

as long as it meet your own expcections of making yourself happy, then you know you got it, as god's probably happy, so this might not be a bad place to start.....

SUELY IF THERE IS A GOD, AND "IF" IS IS ALL POWERFUL, THE MOST POWERFUL ENOUGH TO SHOW WHAT MAKES SENSE..........



He will show himself to anyone who will listen. That listening begins at knowing the Torah. Refuse to learn it and do it and he will show mercy but not mysteries.

Those mysteries is what will lead you to life in this world and the one to come.

Take Going to Heaven no one has went to heaven except Yahshua. The 1st born son. In the grave we know nothing. Yet billions are taught that is not the way it is they either go to heaven or hell at death. The scriptures say it over and over death is like sleep. That is why Yahshua said what he did to the thief at thier deaths.

Yahweh treats all men equal. That is why thier is a judgement of those who did not understand when the books are opened by your WORKS.. Bad word but he does not destroy descent people who just did not know.

You did not answer me why Paul went and sacraficed in Acts 21. Shalom...Miles


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Wed 01/28/09 01:42 PM

I have said all you need to know to enter into life.

It is your choice whether you have ears to hear or nor.

That is the miracle os Salvation. To hear the truth and act on it will set you free.

You find what i say as strange. It does not align up with what you have been taught.

Remember if it were not for the chosen the whole world would be decieved.

Billions saying they believe doe now mean anything but deception David.


You want to see the OT as old.. This is another deception it is not old. Men put these labels on the scriptures for thier own reasons of teaching you that the old was done away. around 15 to 20 years after Yahshua's death we find Paul doing what is said is completely against the NT.

Explain why he did this and what gave him the right?

Acts 21:17-29

17 And when we had come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 When he had greeted them, he told in detail those things which Yahweh had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Master. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality."

26 Arrested in the Temple


Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.

27 Now when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, "Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place; and furthermore he also brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place." 29(For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
NKJV


What is this he is doing?

Why were they so worried about the law? Shalom...Miles


MILES.......

if the god of text be the creator, than it is said all was created from nothing from your god???

so then the opposite of nothing is everything, so then everything came from the same beginning nothing???

so not until all is seen as one and all of god, can the eye's be unvealed to that which you seek to see???


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Wed 01/28/09 11:00 PM



so u interpet the bible yourself...?

based on 0 outside influence....

ok..

nothing to bring us closer than a warm bowl of religion

lets tlk politics next..


Scripture interprets scripture, based on scripture. It is not for man to interpret. It says what it says. Either you have faith in that truth or you don't.

The politics room is located in the General discussion area...have fun!

Shalom!


So you decide for yourself which interpretation of the scripture is right for everybody?

Have fun with this one.

But have it without me.


I know exactly what she is saying here. The scriptures have definitions of words in it. It takes a lot of diligence and patience but you have to search for those definitions in order to understand it fully.
And to think that I was using a dictionary (man's interpretation) for a long time before I figured that one out... lol.

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Wed 01/28/09 11:19 PM



Thats fine, assuming that there ever really was a Jesus, and as I said before, I sure havn't seen any proof. In my opinion, and im not alone, to believe anything that was written back then is ridiculas. I used to believe in God...



I believe it's pretty much established that Jesus existed in human form as a historical fact.
To me, he exists as the living God by nature of the Holy Spirit that dwells in my heart and convicts me to believe in him and the salvation he has promised.


thats you


but I have yet to seen any proof of a god.there will never be any proof of that either,((((((because no one can make it a fact that there is a god.))))))all there is are bibles,churches and words.......does not make it fact




If Jesus rose from the dead wouldnt you say God exists.

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Wed 01/28/09 11:22 PM
"If" being the operative word there, nubby. If you raised a dead cat in front of me, I would probably believe anything you told me to believe there after.

Nubby's photo
Wed 01/28/09 11:25 PM

all religions claim they have the truth. Whose correct?flowerforyou


They may all be wrong but they cant possibly be true.

What we look for in a good world view

1.Logical Consistency
2.Empirical Adequacy
3.Experiential Relevance

Nubby's photo
Wed 01/28/09 11:27 PM


OrangeCat,Faith, Hope, and Love


Faith, Hebrews 11
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2. For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

All Christians if they are following Christ have that "want to" to tell others of Christ’s Salvation. Because at one point in time they were there were you are at. If the spirit hasn’t reached you yet. Nothing will make sense until you read the word of God or someone tells you of his Salvation. Christ does save soles and I will put a short verse for you. I would encourage the reading of the whole Bible. A good place to start would be John.

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe
in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.




What is the purpose of creating a system in which souls need saving?


Free will.

Krimsa's photo
Wed 01/28/09 11:27 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Wed 01/28/09 11:27 PM
1.Logical Consistency
2.Empirical Adequacy
3.Experiential Relevance




Do you truly feel that Christianity successfully demonstrates those 3 elements?

Nubby's photo
Wed 01/28/09 11:29 PM

"If" being the operative word there, nubby. If you raised a dead cat in front of me, I would probably believe anything you told me to believe there after.


There is good evidence that supports a ressurection.

Nubby's photo
Wed 01/28/09 11:29 PM

1.Logical Consistency
2.Empirical Adequacy
3.Experiential Relevance




Do you truly feel that Christianity successfully demonstrates those 3 elements?



Yes I do.