Topic: WARNING: Dangerous Concepts of Christianity! | |
---|---|
Scholars have ways of dealing with these things, in order to find out what was in the original. Well find that then. I will give you a head start. http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=899 |
|
|
|
Then the trees of the forest will sing, they will sing for joy before the Lord, for he comes to judge the earth. Would you like me to sing for you now, I can sing my early morning singing song: Shuby abodaba nibby nibby nobba Good Morning Starshine, the Earth says hello, you twinkle above us, we twinkle below. |
|
|
|
Bart Erhman pretty much dedicates the book to Bruce Metzger.
|
|
|
|
Edited by
Krimsa
on
Thu 01/29/09 08:40 AM
|
|
I went to an apologist’s site and this was the response given MS
RESPONSE: It has been admitted on previous occasions that copyist errors and textual corruptions can and do at times occur. It seems this is the case with 2 Samuel 23:8. It goes on to say: Lest the believer be discouraged or the unbeliever feel bolstered in his (notice they assume it's only males that find fault with the bible ) opposition to the accuracy of the Bible, it should be noted that occurrences such as this are few and far between. Also, the nature of the discrepancy regards material of very minor consequence. The Christian site is admitting an error! |
|
|
|
"It has served us well this myth of Christ"- Pope Leo X
|
|
|
|
I went to an apologist’s site and this was the response given MS RESPONSE: It has been admitted on previous occasions that copyist errors and textual corruptions can and do at times occur. It seems this is the case with 2 Samuel 23:8. It goes on to say: Lest the believer be discouraged or the unbeliever feel bolstered in his (notice they assume it's only males that find fault with the bible ) opposition to the accuracy of the Bible, it should be noted that occurrences such as this are few and far between. Also, the nature of the discrepancy regards material of very minor consequence. The Christian site is admitting an error! Here is a possible solution. Upon further contemplation and study, several possible solutions to this “difference” become evident. One of the most obvious is that of a copyist’s error. Even in the English language, only a small portion missing from the front of the numeral 8 would make it look like a 3. In similar fashion, the Bible Knowledge Commentary states: “The difference may be due to a scribal error in copying Chronicles for the Hebrew numerical symbols 300 and 800 look much alike” (see Walvoord and Zuck, 1985, 1 Chronicles 11:11). [For a general background on copyists’ errors, please see our foundational essay on that subject, Lyons, 2007.] However, even though a copyist’s error poses a quality explanation for the differences, others exist. One of those deals with the possibility that the verses could be discussing two separate occasions where Jashobeam defeated a multitude each time—on one occasion 300, and on another 800. This does not seem the most likely explanation, but it is a possible explanation. Along these lines, a spear is mentioned in the verse in 1 Chronicles, but no weapon is mentioned in 2 Samuel. It could be that different weapons were used in his attacks. |
|
|
|
I was thinking that also that perhaps they were talking about two different battles? Either way, your options are copyist’s error but in that case you could blame copyist’s error on everything and that’s a load of crap. You are attempting to defend the undefendable at that point by any rationalization deemed necessary. The analytically minded will call you out on that every time.
|
|
|
|
jesus replied, I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, go, throw yourself into the sea, and it will be done
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I was thinking that also that perhaps they were talking about two different battles? Either way, your options are copyist’s error but in that case you could blame copyist’s error on everything and that’s a load of crap. You are attempting to defend the undefendable at that point by any rationalization deemed necessary. The analytically minded will call you out on that every time. "the Bible Knowledge Commentary states: “The difference may be due to a scribal error in copying Chronicles for the Hebrew numerical symbols 300 and 800 look much alike” |
|
|
|
There is No problem with 2 Samuel 23:8 !!!
There are NO problems with ANY of scripture !!! NOW Krimsa..if you want to carry on with this nonsense... and so quickly ACCEPT and BELIEVE MAN'S OPINION on some website.. but REFUSE to accept what the Word of God says..... or even bother to check out and READ the Word of God for yourself .... AND LEARN THE TRUTH .... but just wanna come on here and debate nonsense.... well.... you go right ahead. I care about you Krimsa.... But I will not be wasting further time on nonsense here. |
|
|
|
Thus my point. You can then simply say well EVERY discrepancy, error and contradiction found in the scripture is merely "copyist's error." However, if you are going to say that, then that clearly leaves you open for the argument against "divine inspiration."
|
|
|
|
There is No problem with 2 Samuel 23:8 !!! There are NO problems with ANY of scripture !!! NOW Krimsa..if you want to carry on with this nonsense... and so quickly ACCEPT and BELIEVE MAN'S OPINION on some website.. but REFUSE to accept what the Word of God says..... or even bother to check out and READ the Word of God for yourself .... AND LEARN THE TRUTH .... but just wanna come on here and debate nonsense.... well.... you go right ahead. I care about you Krimsa.... But I will not be wasting further time on nonsense here. MS did you not read that response? I copied and pasted that from a apologetics website. Do you understand what that means? An apologetic is normally a Christian (though not always) who defends bible inaccuracies. |
|
|
|
but REFUSE to accept what the Word of God says..... I also don't believe it's the word of God. You may think it's nonsense to us and how we could not understand that it's truly the Word of God. But to us, we can't believe you would believe in such nonsense. |
|
|
|
How would someone effectively kill either 300 or 800 men with one blow of their sword anyway?
|
|
|
|
Edited by
MorningSong
on
Thu 01/29/09 09:32 AM
|
|
I was thinking that also that perhaps they were talking about two different battles? Either way, your options are copyist’s error but in that case you could blame copyist’s error on everything and that’s a load of crap. You are attempting to defend the undefendable at that point by any rationalization deemed necessary. The analytically minded will call you out on that every time. "the Bible Knowledge Commentary states: “The difference may be due to a scribal error in copying Chronicles for the Hebrew numerical symbols 300 and 800 look much alike” NUbby...I have not the foggiest idea of what the heck you are talking a bout.... in regards to some commentary saying 300 looks like 800....???? nope...pure nonsense....... cause first of all.... those 2 scriptures Krimsa mentioned earlier , are NOT contradictory at all!! Those were 2 DIFFERENT Men fighting in battle, Nubby..... did You bother to read the 2 different scriptures THOROUGHLY yourself? BEFORE COMMENTING? Scroll back and re-read the last 2 pages of posts here, first...and then comment . |
|
|
|
Edited by
Krimsa
on
Thu 01/29/09 09:15 AM
|
|
MS I posted the full passages. Also, David killed a bunch of lame people.
"The inhabitants of Jebus said to David, 'You cannot get in here! The blind and the lame will turn you away!" Nice. |
|
|
|
It is interesting to note that two schools of thought arose out of the Science of the Mind (Xian Science) in the 1800s. One was the Word of Faith movement (as outlined by hanegraaf in Xianity in Crisis); the concept of Seed Faith was formulated by Oral Roberts in 1958.
The second was the american school of psychology, in that medical science was basically useless in treating "Railway Spine", but faith healers did very well with it. This pushed a psychology versus psychiatry movement. |
|
|
|
Edited by
MorningSong
on
Thu 01/29/09 09:24 AM
|
|
but REFUSE to accept what the Word of God says..... I also don't believe it's the word of God. You may think it's nonsense to us and how we could not understand that it's truly the Word of God. But to us, we can't believe you would believe in such nonsense. That is fine...but that was only directed towards someone who is quoting scripture ... without FIRST even bothering to get the facts right..or even wanting to....but just wants to debate anyway. And when someone doesn't care to find out what the TRUTH of the scripture says.....and just wants to continue arguing and saying it is error or contradictory anyway....then that's when I am done . The FULL 2 scriptures were SHOWN ...twice in the last few posts......YET still ignored. There are other people out there who Do want to learn. |
|
|
|
MS. For the last time. I posted the FULL passages taken directly from scripture. Secondly, I posted the rebuttal from an apologetics website who clearly stated that it was an error.
|
|
|