Oh god, a photo does speak a thousand words. That is better than all the dam quotes combined.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/187600

I responded with more on your new thread.

yeah and there's alot more than that also.
Hitler made sure the cross was prominent on a great deal of medals and believed that the german race had decended strait from heaven.
He also visited church on a regular basis.

The idea that becuase someone uses a concept in an unjust way somehow invalidates that concept is . . . hmm how to say this without offense . . . hmm. Well it doesn't follow.

So this whole point in reference to this topic was what? A way to make evolution seem evil? lol

Could you please site some examples to demonstrate that this is not an absurd statement.

You will find that how we get vanilla is one of the most complex occurances in nature. And as you might well guess, quite difficult to explain using evolutionary theory. I would say impossible - but I will leave it to you to attempt to do so, and I await your results.

The problem with your "demonstration" is the leap you are making from Hitler being a "catholic" to his being a christian. He may have been baptised into the Catholic religion by his parents, but he was never - at any time of his life on earth a Christian. He was, however, a disciple of Darwin. That makes him a Darwinian. He was also a major follower of the occult. Which made him a "New Ager". Though this phrase was not coined until much later - he is the poster child for New Age philosophy.

It can also speak a thousand lies.

Eljay the great decider of who is what when where how and why . . .

What a brilliant piece of semantic sleight of hand.

I haven't seen the shell game played that fast and smooth in quite a while.

Insults aren't refutations. I suspect that if you could refute that argument, you would have already.

Scroll back and take a look at some of what I have posted on this thread. Also take a long hard look at the photos posted by Seamonster.

Evidently, denial isnt just a river in Egypt. Its alive and well in the hearts of a few Christians on this forum. The ones that havnt bothered to crack a history book anyway. I know most Christians are not this misinformed.

Just because you refuse to read all of the refutations and historically accurate information that many of us have chosen to provide both in literary and photographic formats, doesnt somehow discredit our evidence.

The ball is clearly in your at this junction.

Your quotes and pictures show that Hitler USED Christianity, while my quotes show that Hitler hated Christianity. So the truth is that Hitler used Christianity to further his goals while hating Christianity. He wasn't a Christian. Only someone who was intellectually bankrupt would be arguing that Hitler was a Christian during WWII.

That is clearly not a refutation based in any factual documentation (as I have presented) and is mere conjecture on the part of a modern Protestant. The Protestant church helped elevate Hitler into a position of power. They endorsed him as documented by my sources. Here is some more, though at this point, it is hardly necessary .

I am still waiting on a legitimate refutation of this factual historical data.

The result of all racial crossing is therefore in brief always the following:

(a) Lowering of the level of the higher race;

(b) Physical and intellectual regression and hence the beginning of a slowly but surely progressing sickness.

To bring about such a development is, then, nothing else but to sin against the will of the eternal creator. And as a sin this act is rewarded.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Here, of course, we encounter the objection of the modern pacifist, as truly Jewish in its effrontery as it is stupid! 'Man's role is to overcome Nature!'

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(Man's dominion over earth appears in Genesis 1:26)



...the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(See Genesis Chapter 3)



...that is why the prophet seldom has any honor in his own country.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

("For Jesus himself testified, that a prophet hath no honour in his own country." John 4:44)



The purest idealism is unconsciously equivalent to the deepest knowledge.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



The Jew has always been a people with definite racial characteristics and never a religion.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely foreign to him. And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form. Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(Great founder here, of course, refers to Jesus. The "whip to drive from the temple" comes from John 2:15, "And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple..." Interestingly, Hitler often carried a whip with him. There's at least one photograph with him posing with a whip in hand in Werner Maser's "Hitler's Letters and Notes.")



At times of the bitterest distress, fury against him finally breaks out, and the plundered and ruined masses begin to defend themselves against the scourge of God.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(For one example of God's fury and anger, see Isaiah 63)



This game is repeated again and again, and in it the role of the so-called 'German princes' is just as miserable as that of the Jews themselves. These lords were really God's punishment for their beloved peoples and find their parallels only in the various ministers of the present time.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



They [German princes] made a pact with the devil and landed in hell.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



If we consider how greatly he has sinned against the masses in the course of the centuries, how he has squeezed and sucked the blood again and again; if furthermore, we consider how the people gradually learned to hate him for this, and ended up by regarding his existence as nothing but punishment of Heaven for the other peoples, we can understand how hard this shift must be for the Jew.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



First, therefore, he goes about making up to the people for his previous sins against them. He begins his career as the 'benefactor' of mankind. Since his new benevolence has a practical foundation, that the left hand should not know what the right hand giveth; no, whether he likes it or not, he must reconcile himself to letting as many people as possible know how deeply he feels the sufferings of the masses and all the sacrifices that he himself is making to combat them.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(The left/right hand paraphrase derives from Matthew 6:3)



But even more: all at once the Jew also becomes liberal and begins to rave about the necessary progress of mankind.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



The Jew almost never marries a Christian woman; it is the Christian who marries a Jewess.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this "tradition" up until the 20th century.)



With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Peoples which bastardize themselves, or let themselves be bastardized, sin against the will of eternal Providence...

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Providence did not bestow her reward on the victorious sword, but followed the law of eternal retribution.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(Eternal retribution comes from Christian doctrinal thought as referring to eternal hell when one who physically dies in his sins without Christ. Christians to this day take Hell or the "Lake of Fire" (Rev. 19:20) as real and literal.)

me thinks its about time this thread died

wow, you have pictures and you still refuse to see.
hmmmmmm

I have no desire to refute it anymore than I would desire to refute an illusionist. In both cases, my viewpoint is that a skillful and well executed diversion is used to create an interesting illusion, but beyond that it has no signifcance for me other than as an amusing entertainment.