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| Topic: If you think intelligent design should be taught in schools. | |
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Point? You do not demonstrate an understanding of Christian Ideaology. If so - expound. You do not demonstrate an understanding of Adolph Hitler and his beliefs and ideology in the upcoming years prior to WW2 in Germany. If you do, please elaborate. I've provided substantial evidence thus far. The problem with your "demonstration" is the leap you are making from Hitler being a "catholic" to his being a christian. He may have been baptised into the Catholic religion by his parents, but he was never - at any time of his life on earth a Christian. He was, however, a disciple of Darwin. That makes him a Darwinian. He was also a major follower of the occult. Which made him a "New Ager". Though this phrase was not coined until much later - he is the poster child for New Age philosophy. Forgive me if my research goes a bit beyond reading "Mein Kampf". You think I made this stuff up? I'm just reporting what I've read about. I'm not deciding anything. Decide for yourself. |
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Im not sure that Hitler's level of understanding of the bible was relevant to the end result? Just about every Christian on this forum has their own misinterpretation of the scripture yet most all of them seem to feel that their version is correct and the rest are wrong.  Could you please site some examples to demonstrate that this is not an absurd statement. Scroll back and take a look at some of what I have posted on this thread. Also take a long hard look at the photos posted by Seamonster. Evidently, denial isnt just a river in Egypt. Its alive and well in the hearts of a few Christians on this forum. The ones that havnt bothered to crack a history book anyway. I know most Christians are not this misinformed. I think I missed your sited examples. Not that I really expect you would come up with any. Easier to try and assume you know my level of education. Typical. |
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He was also a major follower of the occult. Which made him a "New Ager". Though this phrase was not coined until much later - he is the poster child for New Age philosophy. What a brilliant piece of semantic sleight of hand. I haven't seen the shell game played that fast and smooth in quite a while. Okay - what would you call Hitlers interest in astrology, numerology, the "spear of destiny", his search for the holy grail? Do tell - do you have another label for it? Seems to me like "New Age" is new age. If it looks like a rose, smalls like a rose... But you seem to have a better label for it. What would you call it so I can get my semantics right? |
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Yep 10 commandments ..
When it was taught the biggest school problem was chewing gum. Get rid of them.. Chaos |
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Edited by
Eljay
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Fri 12/12/08 08:46 PM
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He was also a major follower of the occult. Which made him a "New Ager". Though this phrase was not coined until much later - he is the poster child for New Age philosophy. What a brilliant piece of semantic sleight of hand. I haven't seen the shell game played that fast and smooth in quite a while. Insults aren't refutations. I suspect that if you could refute that argument, you would have already. Just because you refuse to read all of the refutations and historically accurate information that many of us have chosen to provide both in literary and photographic formats, doesnt somehow discredit our evidence. The ball is clearly in your at this junction. However the problem lies not in Hitlers claim - but your not knowing what a christian is, or Christian ideology. If it weren't so sad - it would be humerous. Since you know so much about Christian ideology - why don't you educate Spider and I about the christian principles that Hitler extolled, and site where in the bible you've exegesed this from, since we can't find it. |
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Edited by
SkyHook5652
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Sat 12/13/08 03:09 AM
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He was also a major follower of the occult. Which made him a "New Ager". Though this phrase was not coined until much later - he is the poster child for New Age philosophy. What a brilliant piece of semantic sleight of hand. I haven't seen the shell game played that fast and smooth in quite a while. I would call it exactly what it was: “Hitler’s interest in astrology, numerology, the "spear of destiny", his search for the holy grail”. I wouldn't try to redefine it to fit my own views. I certainly wouldn’t call it grounds for labeling Hitler “the poster child for the New Age Philosophy.” And I’m fairly certain that no one who considers himself a proponent of the New Age Philosophy would either. So as an expression of prejudicial bias against the New Age Philosophy, it was well stated - right down the party line. And as a textbook case of “Loading the Language” (cf: Lifton thought reform model), it was beautifully executed. |
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Let's get back on topic.....
The real question still remains should a religious ideology such Intelligent Design be taught in a classroom based on science. My answer is no. Intelligent Design has nothing to do with any form of science. Science is about creating a hypothesis or theory and then through research and testing providing facts and evidence to support or disprove such hypothesis or theory. Intelligent Design is just the christian ideological belief that the entire universe was created by a deity in seven days. Last i checked there has been no evidence or scientific proof to support such a theory and therefore it has no place in science class. We have rocks that are carbon dated over 4 billion years old. The genetic diversity in humanity is enough to suggest that over time a species adapts, changes, modifies and evolves to survive changes in the natural conditions of its environment. My question is why is it so hard for christians to consider that it was part of "God's" plan that we evolved from something else? One can still keep their faith and at the same time adapt it to current knowledge and understanding. Remeber people ignorance is something we choose not something we should believe. Imo...just a thought
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The real question still remains should a religious ideology such Intelligent Design be taught in a classroom based on science. My answer is no. Have you heard of the theory of panspermia? It's the belief that life was designed and created on an alien planet and then moved to the earth. Proponents of Panspermia are effectively believing in ID. ID doesn't assume the nature of the designer other than assuming intelligence. ID is only labeled "religious" because the people who are most active in the study are religious. That's the genetic fallacy, "They are Christian, therefore ID is Christian and that mean ID isn't science". Try again. |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Sat 12/13/08 10:50 AM
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 Hitler was a right wing"christian".
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Sat 12/13/08 10:53 AM
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Who is saying that silly stuff about Darwinism and somehow your not a christian if you believe in it. No offense, but put down the crack pipe whoever is saying that. Darwinism isnt a religion or "New Age". There is no rational connection
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Hitler was a right wing"christian". Gratuitous assertion. First of all, the Nazi party, which was led by Hitler was the National Socialist German Workers' Party. They were a liberal group that rejected conservative values. Second of all (or maybe this point should be first) since you made a gratuitous assertion, it doesn't deserve to be refuted by anything more intelligent than "Nuh Uh!". |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Sat 12/13/08 12:26 PM
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Hitler was a right wing"christian". Gratuitous assertion. First of all, the Nazi party, which was led by Hitler was the National Socialist German Workers' Party. They were a liberal group that rejected conservative values. Second of all (or maybe this point should be first) since you made a gratuitous assertion, it doesn't deserve to be refuted by anything more intelligent than "Nuh Uh!". Nuh Uh, the Nazis were right wing ultra conservatives
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Hitler was a right wing"christian". Gratuitous assertion. First of all, the Nazi party, which was led by Hitler was the National Socialist German Workers' Party. They were a liberal group that rejected conservative values. Second of all (or maybe this point should be first) since you made a gratuitous assertion, it doesn't deserve to be refuted by anything more intelligent than "Nuh Uh!". Nuh Uh, the Nazis were right wing ultra conservatives http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_were_Nazis NAZI is a German acronym for "National Socialists Workers Party". It doesn't work out the same in English, but basically it was a socialist organization that wanted to change society and did so by nationalizing much of the industry of Germany. (nationalization of an industry just means that the government took over ownership of large businesses and controlled how they operated) Many believe that Nazi's are "ultra conservative", meaning that they believe them to be more similar to the conservatives of this country. Nothing could be further from the truth. Conservatives do not want to change society, in fact the very name "conservative" refers to the fact that they do not really WANT change. The reality is that Nazi's were ultra LEFTISTS, meaning that they would kill people in the name of social change and tell everyone that it was "for the good of the nation". Who can blame ANYONE for not wanting to be associated with the Nazi's? It's no wonder that the Liberals (socialists) of this country do not want to call the Nazi's an "Ultra Leftist" organization, it's almost as though one would be guilty by association of the terrible crimes committed by the Nazi's. Remember that a Liberal wants to change society. A conservative wants to have change but wants to make it move slowly. A liberal wants to tax excessively to pay for their socialist programs. A conservative just wants to sell you something. The above statement that the Nazis were 'Ultra Leftists' is simply not true in fact. The above statements about political orientation are questionable to say the least. And now, as at 091208, having re read what I wrote about the above I am astonished at my own lack of vitriol at the twaddle written above: and in the use of the word 'twaddle' I am being as polite as I can on this matter. MirrorMirror, It's your chance...Do you choose to be willfully ignorant or will you admit you were wrong? |
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First of all, the Nazi party, which was led by Hitler was the National Socialist German Workers' Party. They were a liberal group that rejected conservative values. Onto this day in Germany the Nazis are considered to be far right. Very far right. And every organization with Neo Nazi tendency is still on the far right. Maybe in America this is different, but not in the Country were the Nazis resided. |
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First of all, the Nazi party, which was led by Hitler was the National Socialist German Workers' Party. They were a liberal group that rejected conservative values. Onto this day in Germany the Nazis are considered to be far right. Very far right. And every organization with Neo Nazi tendency is still on the far right. Maybe in America this is different, but not in the Country were the Nazis resided. Only by the uneducated, ill informed and liberals who hate the fact that the Nazis were liberal so much that they will lie about the Nazi's political orientation. Conservatives believe that the society shouldn't be changed. The Nazis were creating wide sweeping reforms. The policies of the Nazis cannot be construed to be "conservative" in any way. |
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First of all, the Nazi party, which was led by Hitler was the National Socialist German Workers' Party. They were a liberal group that rejected conservative values. Onto this day in Germany the Nazis are considered to be far right. Very far right. And every organization with Neo Nazi tendency is still on the far right. Maybe in America this is different, but not in the Country were the Nazis resided. Only by the uneducated, ill informed and liberals who hate the fact that the Nazis were liberal so much that they will lie about the Nazi's political orientation. Conservatives believe that the society shouldn't be changed. The Nazis were creating wide sweeping reforms. The policies of the Nazis cannot be construed to be "conservative" in any way. Are you on the "you are all Libs and Atheists" train, too. 
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How conservative is it to tell the women to stay at home and fulfill their duty of having as many babies as possible?
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And maybe it's the Conservatives lying about it because they don't want to stand in the same corner as Nazis?
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Edited by
Jess642
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Sat 12/13/08 01:30 PM
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Why is a shameful, and abhorrent historical slur being debated at all?
And if anyone would have a clear, EXPERIENTIAL understanding of the political persuasions in Germany, it is Invisible, she is possibly the ONLY poster in these threads that can speak of the political parties in modern Germany with any authority. the rest is prosetylising guff... of the google variety. |
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How conservative is it to tell the women to stay at home and fulfill their duty of having as many babies as possible?  Its very conservative
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