for the record, I do not believe in evolution, despite all the years of having it crammed down my throat in school while being told you can't pray, as if that could stop a Christian who can pray anytime, anywhere, even silently, no one even has to know you are praying, God knows.

and as to the world and can it get even crazier, the answer is YES, stay tuned,

It's about to get real crazy. People are really starting to loose a grip on reality. But what do we expect. The only things they have been taught in schools now for about one generation (thirty or so years in biblical times) is the tools they need to make lots of money. Now that the money thing isn't working for so many, the only thing these younger generation adults have to fall back on is going around like a bunch of ape's in the jungle. Oops, did I just upset someone out there? sorry, I didn't know I was talking to you.

Science refuses to accept that a god might be the answer. They reject the possibility that a creator could exist. Which means they are rejecting one of the possible answers to the universe's mysteries. What ID says is that maybe the answer is supernatural. We need to allow that possibility to remain on the table until we can determine if supernatural is the answer. If it is, then science should stop there, so that philosophy and theology can take over, since the supernatural isn't testable. But as it is, science is ignoring what could be the first cause. Science is basically looking at all of the possibilities to explain the Big Bang, the creation of life, evolution, cosmic fine tuning and saying "It couldn't be God". Sorry, but that isn't science. Science should be looking at all possibilities without any personal bias. If the evidence points towards the supernatural, then science must be willing to accept that. Science shouldn't try to explain or understand the supernatural, but it should be willing to admit that the evidence points to a supernatural cause.

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The standard response to this will be that Science doesn't include the supernatural. Fine, I've already pointed that out. But science should stop where the supernatural starts, rather than turning it's back to the supernatural and pretending that it couldn't exist.

It goes without saying that if there is supernatural causation, then science as it exists today, is permanently accepting being wrong. Let's say that God did create the universe and there is enough evidence to say so. Science cannot even accept that as a possible answer! So the greatest minds of humanity will spend their lives and fortunes trying to find a naturalist answer to a problem with no natural answer.

I earnestly believe that science must be willing to acknowledge that a cause could be supernatural. Base this on testable criteria...base it on evidence....there is no reason why science must sacrifice credibility in order to allow for supernatural causation.

ya,,what spidercmb said! excellent way of putting it. If these so called educational experts would even allow this to be taught, I would be a little bit more willing to think they might actually are trying to be open minded about the scientific process.

We are continuing to evolve. You just aren't going to see a difference in only a matter of a few thousand years and you definitely aren't going to see a difference in the time photos have been around. Homo sapiens have only been around about 200,000 years. It takes MILLIONS of years to make a noticeable difference.

There were other hominids before us as well; ie. homo habilis, erectus, and georgicus. Their species died out as many others do.


Also, you do know that genetic "defects" are pretty good proof that evolution is real? If those webbed feet were somehow beneficial to that person, lets say ice caps melt and we get a Waterworld scenario, and their children had webbing as well a few million years from now we could have hominids with fins.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-392292/The-superlions-marooned-island.html

Oh, then you should probably explain that to the scientists and especially this new species of Lion, that it couldn't have evolved in just 20 years. I mean, that is what the researchers studying them say happened, but if you say it takes hundreds of thousands of years, I will take your word over actual evidence and hard research any day.

Sorry for being a bit sarcastic, but I'm getting a bit tired of people parroting what they have heard without actually acknowledging easily available information like this.

I don't think schools should teach children anything at all

aren't students just a life support system for Teacher Unions anyway?

We are continuing to evolve. You just aren't going to see a difference in only a matter of a few thousand years and you definitely aren't going to see a difference in the time photos have been around. Homo sapiens have only been around about 200,000 years. It takes MILLIONS of years to make a noticeable difference
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If this were true we would have found plenty of fossil evidence to support the entire process. there would not be any missing DNA links!

THANK YOU!

Please, give this a read:
http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/evolution.html

I know I'm probably trying in vain here, y'all seem rather hopeless

Contrary to the beliefs of certain people, humans did not evolve from chimps or gorillas or any other modern primate. We share common ancestors, that's all.

Evolution is taking place as we speak. Your children are different from you. And you're different from your parents. Right? Unless you want to argue about the reality of DNA...in that case

Take autism for example. Natural variation. Evolution? Yes, in the sense that it's a deviation form the "standard" human genetic makeup. Not, however, in the sense of it being necessarily "better" than the standard. Evolution doesn't have to be positive, it can just as easily be negative or neutral.

The appendix. Where do you think that came from? It's a vestigial organ that really has little use in the human body - yet in "lesser" species it serves a real purpose.

I once had a science teacher that theorized that humans would eventually lose their little toes and have much wider carpal tunnels, but I doubt this, as those traits really don't give anyone any benefit in the way of ultimate survival or reproduction. I have yet to hear of anyone dying from stubbing their toes or having carpal tunnel syndrome before they reached sexual maturity.

Evolution can take a long time, or it can take a short time. Look at dogs. The different breeds are proof positive of evolution.

That's not evolution, it's normal genetic variations. Autism, Mental Retardation, blindness, club foot and every other genetic disorder is just normal genetic variations due to how genes work. Sometime they get broken, that's not evolution.



It has a real purpose in humans, it's part of our immune system. Science never really bothered to try to find it's purpose until recently

http://www.dukemagazine.duke.edu/dukemag/issues/030408/depqa.html




What does sexual maturity have to do with evolution?



No, they aren't. They are proof positive that breeding programs work. That a desired behavior and morphology of a creature can be achieved through selective breeding. It doesn't prove that lizards evolved from fish. You are taking a very small scope and blowing it up far greater than the evidence demands.

You obviously don't understand. Genetic variation is the cornerstone of evolution. Without variation, there would be no evolution. With variation, there must be evolution.



If an organism does not reach sexual maturity due to genetic variation - something that makes it less likely to survive - it will not pass that on. Unless that detrimental thing can be positive in certain circumstances - sickle cell anemia for example. It's not beneficial unless you're in a place where malaria is rampant, in which case being heterozygous is beneficial as it grants some protection from malaria.




Breeding programs are concentrated efforts to shape evolution. You must open your mind. Nobody said lizards evolved from fish.

No. Evolution effects a population, not an individual. Evolution is a change to the basic genome of the species, not a deformity or defect in a single individual.



Okay and why would that prevent us from evolving "wider carpal tunnels"?



It's in the science books...that's part of the theory of evolution that some fish evolved to be amphibious and eventually they produced reptiles.

Have any of those breeding programs produced a cat or a dog that can't breed with other cats or dogs due to anything other than morphological differences (ie size)?

Intelligent design what really is it?

I mean what is taught and how.

Evolution i suppose could be considered intelligent design.

Like which is this Intelligent design or Evolution?

Sperm banks. Women pay a lot of money to get the sprem of a certain type of men.

Whether an exceptional athlete, a genious or whatever.


Now I see intellegence going into this decision.


Then is this intelligence evolution of the offspring she may have as without it she may not have a 3rd grader who has mastered 5 different instriments and thier IQ is far above what most childrens are.

I see both thier.

I do not see evalution as being a concept we cannot put our finger on.

The question always goes Prove thier is a creator in the sky watching us.

If we can not show them then we are wrong.


Where is positive proof of evalution?


Just because we found some ape that thier skeleton looks somewhat like a human is no proof.

Then if we say yes it is.

Well show it to me. Can you go get it so I can see it?

Is that different than the man in the sky?


One thing is for sure nothing thinks like a human.

We have very little knowledge about the human brain.


We know our doctors tell us a positive attitude helps the healing process.

Your brain telling the body how to heal itself.


Can Darwin put a finger on that?

can he tell us why that is?


It is something we have know idea about yet we know it is thier just as we know the wind blows yet we can not see it unless it has picked up dust or something I guess.


So we speak of therories.

What is a therory?


Is knowing the brain is more powerfull than any computer a therory or fact?


Is the beginnings of a baby something we can reproduce in every woman?

We have cloned but we still had to have the living organism from something that is alive to do it.

But what about Evelution?

The only thing that i know is crossbreed is a donkey i believe.

So maybe we should teach Donkeyism in school?

Thier we have some proof.


Will that futher our childrens developement to become his own person?


I see no use.

So if we have no use for donkeyism which can betaught as something that happens.


Why do we have any use to teach our children that a poster on the wall shows evalution and teach this when what good does it do?

We will not prove anything of the sort in our lifetime that will be beneficial to our children.

Now if you want to take a class in college to debate this ok.


But to teach it to our children what benefit is it for them?

Or does it benefit a therory that has been shoved down our throat?

One that has no merit. No one can show me this process happening.

Yet intelligent design is really the only real exolanation for mankind.

Thier are only records of man showing up.

how did this happen in our recorded scientific history?

Then when we can not explain this the only logical explanation is we were design by a very sophisticated being.

It is the only logical explanation and science seeks logic.

Then Intelligent Design is the only science that should be taught to the best of our abilities.

How are we made up and what makes us tick.


That we can see and put a handle on which makes for the creator in the sky a justifiable reasoning for our being.

Thier is no other resonable or logical reason. Blessings...Miles

My twelve year old just got home from school. I asked her how we we were made. she said our mommys and daddys. i said no silly how did the human race get started? she said adam and eve.
I then asked her who put adam and eve here? and she said God.

I told her never to forget that. This SHOULD be reinforced in schools. BUT since its not, I can reinforce it in my home.

As a Pastafarian* (edit, oops sorry about that) i am equally adamant that the Pastafarian version of events be reinforced to your children in school as well
So, catwoman, we agree in our stance on religious belief in school

I want my child to learn all scientific theories.

Psh... science is the tool of the devil

I like it. I took a lot of it in college.

because you are obviously a disciple of the devil

Don't tell my Pastor.

My child goes to a Christian school too.