Topic: Pro-Life is Anti-Woman
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Wed 10/22/08 06:33 PM
This is the interview one should've paid attention to.



http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28926


---copy--Sen. O'Malley," Obama said near the beginning of the discussion, "the testimony during the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was -- is that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where the -- the fetus or child, as -- as some might describe it, is still temporarily alive outside the womb."
Obama made three crucial concessions here: the legislation was about 1) a human being, who was 2) "alive" and 3) "outside the womb."
He also used an odd redundancy: "temporarily alive." Is there another type of human?
"And one of the concerns that came out in the testimony was the fact that they were not being properly cared for during that brief period of time that they were still living," Obama continued.
Here he made another crucial concession: The intention of the legislation was to make sure that 1) a human being, 2) alive and 3) outside the womb was 4) "properly cared for."
"Is that correct?" Obama asked O'Malley.
O'Malley tightened the logical knot. "(T)his bill suggests that appropriate steps be taken to treat that baby as a -- a citizen of the United States and afforded all the rights and protections it deserves under the Constitution of the United States," said O'Malley.
But to these specific temporarily-alive-outside-the-womb-human beings -- to these children who had survived a botched abortion, whose hearts were beating, whose muscles were moving, whose lungs were heaving -- to these specific children of God, Obama was not willing to concede any constitutional rights at all.
To explain his position, Obama came up with yet another term to describe the human being who would be protected by O'Malley's bills. The abortion survivor became a "pre-viable fetus."
By definition, however, a born baby cannot be a "fetus." Merriam-Webster Online defines "fetus" as an "unborn or unhatched vertebrate" or "a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth." Obama had already conceded these human beings were "alive outside the womb."
"No. 1," said Obama, "whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or other elements of the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a nine-month-old -- child that was delivered to term."
Yes. In other words, a baby born alive at 37 weeks is just as much a human "person" as a baby born alive at 22 weeks.
Obama, however, saw a problem with calling abortion survivors "persons." "I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions," said Obama, "because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute."
For Obama, whether or not a temporarily-alive-outside-the-womb little girl is a "person" entitled to constitutional rights is not determined by her humanity, her age or even her place in space relative to her mother's uterus. It is determined by a whether a doctor has been trying to kill her.
-------whew! BB

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Wed 10/22/08 06:41 PM
You all hate big brother in your lifes..What gives anybody the right to dictate another persons life..I dont agree with abortion in all aspects..But Im prochoice..I dont force my values on anyone and exspect the same. Dont mean to bring religon into this but god gave us FREE WILL and if you beleive in god then you know we will all be judged by him individually..Who gives us the right to judge other peoples lives...JMO

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Wed 10/22/08 09:23 PM


i say do what my mother did and put the kid up for adoption. i mean, why should the child have to suffer for the parents' mistake, ya know?

men: if you're not ready to be a daddy, keep it in your pants


women: keep your legs closed. don't let some horny bastard talk you into giving him your pie. if he tries to rape you, kick his balls


bottom line: be responsible.


AMEN to that! Rights don't come WITHOUT responsiblity. I think some have it backward.

Nowhere in the constitution or BoR's did the founders ever say that abortion was a "right."


So you agree with him? All the rape victims should have just kicked the rapist in the balls? Well why didnt we think of that in the first place. It's called rape for a reason darling.

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Wed 10/22/08 09:27 PM
Edited by jessicapickle on Wed 10/22/08 09:29 PM



i say do what my mother did and put the kid up for adoption. i mean, why should the child have to suffer for the parents' mistake, ya know?

men: if you're not ready to be a daddy, keep it in your pants


women: keep your legs closed. don't let some horny bastard talk you into giving him your pie. if he tries to rape you, kick his balls


bottom line: be responsible.


To be honest, one of the main reasons I'm okay with abortion is the fact that overpopulation is a very real issue. Watch the news sometime in the next fifty years, it'll be poking its head out, I assure you.

And yes, I'm a strong advocate of educating about sex.

Unfortunately, the people who want no abortions are also the people who don't want sex taught in school.


That's correct...parental rights should always trump govt. interferance. Govt. is the reason why kids aren't responsible & don't have self control.


HAHAHAHAHA! You know what, just forget that last post, because you really dont know what the hell your talking about. lol. You acctually think it's the goverment's faul that kids are messed up nowadays? That's halarious. Well thank fu(king god you didnt have kids.


P.S.
It's not the goverments fault, it's the parents of the kids. DUH

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Wed 10/22/08 09:29 PM




i say do what my mother did and put the kid up for adoption. i mean, why should the child have to suffer for the parents' mistake, ya know?

men: if you're not ready to be a daddy, keep it in your pants


women: keep your legs closed. don't let some horny bastard talk you into giving him your pie. if he tries to rape you, kick his balls


bottom line: be responsible.


To be honest, one of the main reasons I'm okay with abortion is the fact that overpopulation is a very real issue. Watch the news sometime in the next fifty years, it'll be poking its head out, I assure you.

And yes, I'm a strong advocate of educating about sex.

Unfortunately, the people who want no abortions are also the people who don't want sex taught in school.


That's correct...parental rights should always trump govt. interferance. Govt. is the reason why kids aren't responsible & don't have self control.


HAHAHAHAHA! You know what, just forget that last post, because you really dont know what the hell your talking about. lol. You acctually think it's the goverment's faul that kids are messed up nowadays? That's halarious. Well thank fu(king god you didnt have kids.


P.S.
It's not the goverments fault, it's the parents of the kids. DUH


I blame you. happy

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Wed 10/22/08 09:39 PM





i say do what my mother did and put the kid up for adoption. i mean, why should the child have to suffer for the parents' mistake, ya know?

men: if you're not ready to be a daddy, keep it in your pants


women: keep your legs closed. don't let some horny bastard talk you into giving him your pie. if he tries to rape you, kick his balls


bottom line: be responsible.


To be honest, one of the main reasons I'm okay with abortion is the fact that overpopulation is a very real issue. Watch the news sometime in the next fifty years, it'll be poking its head out, I assure you.

And yes, I'm a strong advocate of educating about sex.

Unfortunately, the people who want no abortions are also the people who don't want sex taught in school.


That's correct...parental rights should always trump govt. interferance. Govt. is the reason why kids aren't responsible & don't have self control.


HAHAHAHAHA! You know what, just forget that last post, because you really dont know what the hell your talking about. lol. You acctually think it's the goverment's faul that kids are messed up nowadays? That's halarious. Well thank fu(king god you didnt have kids.


P.S.
It's not the goverments fault, it's the parents of the kids. DUH


I blame you. happy


Yep, its all my fault, lol.

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Wed 10/22/08 09:42 PM
Pro-life = anti-choice = fascism

polaritybear's photo
Wed 10/22/08 09:45 PM

Pro-life = anti-choice = fascism


But whats wrong with fascism!? I mean look at the Nazis for example....wait...never mind, youre right.

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Wed 10/22/08 09:54 PM
:thumbsup:

Kevrides's photo
Thu 10/23/08 01:00 AM
Murder is anti human.

adj4u's photo
Thu 10/23/08 05:48 AM

yes it is...but is pro-choice anti-man?

I mean...does the man ever really get a choice about what happens to his child?


no pro choice is anti baby

flowerforyou

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Thu 10/23/08 08:37 AM
Edited by symbelmyne on Thu 10/23/08 08:38 AM


yes it is...but is pro-choice anti-man?

I mean...does the man ever really get a choice about what happens to his child?


no pro choice is anti baby

flowerforyou


men always have a choice...it starts with being responsible enough to take measures to insure they dont make unwanted babies...its a 50/50 deal, women dont get pregnant by themselves...

a fetus is not a baby...
a woman is not an incubator...
abortion is not murder...

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 10/23/08 09:18 AM

Pro-life = anti-choice = fascism


Pro life is a CHOICE.

therefore pro choice.

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 10/23/08 09:21 AM



yes it is...but is pro-choice anti-man?

I mean...does the man ever really get a choice about what happens to his child?


no pro choice is anti baby

flowerforyou


men always have a choice...it starts with being responsible enough to take measures to insure they dont make unwanted babies...its a 50/50 deal, women dont get pregnant by themselves...

a fetus is not a baby...
a woman is not an incubator...
abortion is not murder...

Reckon the true choice would be abstinance if a child is not wanted.


Winx's photo
Thu 10/23/08 01:00 PM




yes it is...but is pro-choice anti-man?

I mean...does the man ever really get a choice about what happens to his child?


no pro choice is anti baby

flowerforyou


men always have a choice...it starts with being responsible enough to take measures to insure they dont make unwanted babies...its a 50/50 deal, women dont get pregnant by themselves...

a fetus is not a baby...
a woman is not an incubator...
abortion is not murder...

Reckon the true choice would be abstinance if a child is not wanted.




And make sure no rapes or incest occur. And, of course, we all know that protection is not 100%.

adj4u's photo
Thu 10/23/08 01:11 PM



yes it is...but is pro-choice anti-man?

I mean...does the man ever really get a choice about what happens to his child?


no pro choice is anti baby

flowerforyou


men always have a choice...it starts with being responsible enough to take measures to insure they dont make unwanted babies...its a 50/50 deal, women dont get pregnant by themselves...

a fetus is not a baby...
a woman is not an incubator...
abortion is not murder...


i never said it was or was not

if you do not want flys you kill the maggot

thus anti fly

you do not want baby you kill fetus

thus anti baby

i am not saying it is a good thing nor a bad thing

just a collation

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i do think if it is a choice you should have a limit

unless health or rape issue (with prosecution cooperation)

was never intended to be a blanket birth control method


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Thu 10/23/08 01:25 PM
do you all agree that upon conception the pregnant mother carries an embryo - not a fetus??

embryo - In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development.

In these first three months the embryo goes through organogenesis and develops body organs, its heart beats after the fourth week, brain waves can be monitored after six weeks, and by the eighth week all major body parts are present. At the end of the trimester the embryo has matured into a fetus.



AutonomousW's photo
Thu 10/23/08 01:26 PM
If pro life is anti woman, pro choice is anti baby.

Quikstepper's photo
Thu 10/23/08 01:50 PM




i say do what my mother did and put the kid up for adoption. i mean, why should the child have to suffer for the parents' mistake, ya know?

men: if you're not ready to be a daddy, keep it in your pants


women: keep your legs closed. don't let some horny bastard talk you into giving him your pie. if he tries to rape you, kick his balls


bottom line: be responsible.


To be honest, one of the main reasons I'm okay with abortion is the fact that overpopulation is a very real issue. Watch the news sometime in the next fifty years, it'll be poking its head out, I assure you.

And yes, I'm a strong advocate of educating about sex.

Unfortunately, the people who want no abortions are also the people who don't want sex taught in school.


That's correct...parental rights should always trump govt. interferance. Govt. is the reason why kids aren't responsible & don't have self control.


HAHAHAHAHA! You know what, just forget that last post, because you really dont know what the hell your talking about. lol. You acctually think it's the goverment's faul that kids are messed up nowadays? That's halarious. Well thank fu(king god you didnt have kids.


P.S.
It's not the goverments fault, it's the parents of the kids. DUH



WRONG again...as usual. It's all the negative influence with govt. sanctioning that is causing the bombardment outside the home.

Try thinking...if you want "change" that is.

Winx's photo
Thu 10/23/08 02:17 PM
Edited by Winx on Thu 10/23/08 02:22 PM

do you all agree that upon conception the pregnant mother carries an embryo - not a fetus??

embryo - In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development.

In these first three months the embryo goes through organogenesis and develops body organs, its heart beats after the fourth week, brain waves can be monitored after six weeks, and by the eighth week all major body parts are present. At the end of the trimester the embryo has matured into a fetus.



From my Anatomy and Physiology textbook:

When the sperm fertilizes the egg, it's called a zygote - a cell. After 32 hrs., the zygote undergoes mitosis and becomes two cells, blastomeres. Then they keep dividing - 4, 8, etc. This tiny mass of cells are in the uterine tube.

It takes 3 days to reach the uterus. By then, it is a ball of 16 cells called a blastocyst. By the end of the week, it is implanted into the uterus.

It is now called an embryo until the end of the 8th week. After that, it is called a fetus up to the time of birth.

Hope I didn't bore anybody too much.