Except he's only worried about the fetus' rights.

I was molested as a child, so unless you were also molested, you should kindly STFU about things you know nothing about.

1) That sucks. But the potential for someone to commit suicide doesn't outweigh the fact that every aborted child is DEAD.

2) Who cares what you think? Really? What matters is this: Is a fetus a human? That is the first question to be asked, but somehow you guys miss that one. If a fetus is human, then why doesn't it have a right to live?

3) If lynching were legal, white supremacists wouldn't have to worry about being arrested. What's your point? We should legalize infanticide so that those who kill their babies can do so safely and cleanly?

There is a time at the beginning of pregnancy..ohh..I forget the name. Well, at that time, the fetus (it's actually not called a fetus yet) is just cells and doesn't even need to take nourishment from the mother's body.

And conservatives' response to that is... "Well SOMEBODY has to pay for it!"

Not the victim.

Adding to my post:


Palin says that she is for women's rights. No way on earth is she for women's rights. She doesn't approve of sex education or any of that. She even had rape victims paying for their own rape kits.

I was raped and sexually abused continuously for 7 years.

A fetus is human, and it is life, so it is human life. But it is not a human being. It is a fetus.

I got pregnant from my rapist at 11 years old. Eleven. And you're going to tell me I was supposed to carry that baby to term in my body.

No, actually if U research it, not true.

Some supporters of Palin say they believe she had no knowledge of the practice. watch video

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/palin.rape.exams/#cnnSTCVideo

read off McCain website, that is distortion as well. BB

PS I do know facts on Obama's stance on abortions. He believes in woman's right to choose. If he left it at that, he might be commended by some, but no, his views are terrible on the rest of it.

First, I would like to say I'm terribly sorry for what happened to you. I know that such experiences can leave emotional scars that will never heal.

Second...I have said twice now that I support the right to get an abortion in cases of incest, rape and life of the mother. I hope you can be bothered to read this post, so that we can actually cover new ground.

So you believe in "murdering a baby" only in special cases?

I believe that the child's life might already be in danger. A woman who has experienced rape or incest will possibly not be in her right mind. I think the goal would be for counseling and TLC to make her carry the baby, but the weight of the experience and the pregnancy might be more than the woman can take. The pregnancy is through no fault of her own, after all. I'm not particularly happy with this position on rape and incest, it makes me feel dirty. Maybe I should change my position to only support abortions when the life of the mother is in danger.

I believe that during the pregnancy, if the mother might die, then an abortion should definitely be allowed. If the mother dies then so does the child and letting two people die when only one will definitely die is a morally unacceptable area. The mother's right to life trumps in this case.

Only for rape and incest could these three cases be considered "murdering the baby", because if the mother's life is in danger, then her life must come first. But that's a very rare case, when the baby must be aborted to save the mother's life. In most cases they could do a c-section and put the baby in NICU.

Well, I mean... at least you support those kind of abortions. I don't know, though. Your earlier statements about female vanity were extremely inflammatory. I knew a woman who got an abortion in her 20s.. she felt so guilty her whole life afterward... she was raped in her 40s, and she honestly thought her rape was a punishment from God for aborting her baby.

I intended to be inflammatory. The point I'm making is it's inflammatory to hear that abortion must be legal because of incest, when it's such a small number of cases and current abortion laws don't require parental or father involvement. It's like the system was designed to make sure that victims of incest destroy the evidence. Once the baby is aborted, the mother has no proof of incest even happening. If the girls were encouraged to come forward with allegations of incest, then the fetus could be tested and the guilty punished.

I intended to be inflammatory. The point I'm making is it's inflammatory to hear that abortion must be legal because of incest, when it's such a small number of cases and current abortion laws don't require parental or father involvement. It's like the system was designed to make sure that victims of incest destroy the evidence. Once the baby is aborted, the mother has no proof of incest even happening. If the girls were encouraged to come forward with allegations of incest, then the fetus could be tested and the guilty punished.

I'm not sure how many victims would come forward even if there was proof, especially if it meant they were required to carry the pregnancy to full term. They would be teased, forced to drop out of school for a while, socially ostracized, and become even more ashamed... when they should have NO shame.

There is no guarantee the guilty would even be punished... our justice system is so f*cked up. I would take the girl having the abortion, getting therapy and healing from the experience over her having to carry the pregnancy to term, giving birth, having to testify and face him AGAIN in court... and then go through therapy.

I'm not sure how many victims would come forward even if there was proof, especially if it meant they were required to carry the pregnancy to full term. They would be teased, forced to drop out of school for a while, socially ostracized, and become even more ashamed... when they should have NO shame.

There is no guarantee the guilty would even be punished... our justice system is so f*cked up. I would take the girl having the abortion, getting therapy and healing from the experience over her having to carry the pregnancy to term, giving birth, having to testify and face him AGAIN in court... and then go through therapy.

i think the problem with this is as follows:

Pro-life people think that life begins at conception and that abortion = murder, so to say that one doesn't want to inflict a moral view on someone else is as ridiculous as saying we can't legislate against shooting someone, even allowing for the special dependent relationship between mother and child.

Pro-choice people disagree that life begins at conception and thus feel no compunction about removing whatever matter they so desire from whatever part of the female body to which it is attached.

There will be no agreement or universally accepted legislation about this until there is a definitive answer regarding when life begins. And it's difficult to arbitrarily attach one point because the age at which the fetus can survive outside the womb changes with every scientific advance we make. And how could you say "this is when religious people have detected a soul?"

So you believe in "murdering a baby" only in special cases?

I knew I wasn't being clear, but I was in a hurry...

If a girl gets an abortion now, the fetus is destroyed, thus no evidence.

If a girl had to claim incest to get an abortion, the fetus could be tested to determine if her claim was valid. If they can test while the fetus is still in the womb, that would be the way to go. If they can't test while it's in the womb...well, honestly I don't know what to do in that case. Maybe abort and if send the girl to trial if it turns out to not be from incest? I don't know about that, because the girl might be sexually active with a boyfriend and the victim of incest at the same time. In that case, she could make a mistake as to the father's identity... But once again, we are talking about a very small percentage of pregnancies. I'm rambling a bit...The point is, that today the evidence is destroyed, but if we want to stop these creeps, we should be testing every aborted fetus of young women. There is a test that can be done using the mother's blood and the fetuses DNA to determine if the child was created though incest, the father's DNA is not required.

For me, abortion comes down to a simple question: Is a fetus human? The policy is a more challenging matter.

I knew I wasn't being clear, but I was in a hurry...

If a girl gets an abortion now, the fetus is destroyed, thus no evidence.

If a girl had to claim incest to get an abortion, the fetus could be tested to determine if her claim was valid. If they can test while the fetus is still in the womb, that would be the way to go. If they can't test while it's in the womb...well, honestly I don't know what to do in that case. Maybe abort and if send the girl to trial if it turns out to not be from incest? I don't know about that, because the girl might be sexually active with a boyfriend and the victim of incest at the same time. In that case, she could make a mistake as to the father's identity... But once again, we are talking about a very small percentage of pregnancies. I'm rambling a bit...The point is, that today the evidence is destroyed, but if we want to stop these creeps, we should be testing every aborted fetus of young women. There is a test that can be done using the mother's blood and the fetuses DNA to determine if the child was created though incest, the father's DNA is not required.

For me, abortion comes down to a simple question: Is a fetus human? The policy is a more challenging matter.