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 No, I just think that the Incest excuse for why Abortion must be legal is ridiculous. If you have to libel me to feel like you have made a point, then you have issue. If you are willing to commit libel and accept fallacious logic to hold onto your beloved right to infanticide, then that's your problem and one I am very happy to not share in. Now that you know that my friend's 12 yr. old daughter was raped by her step-dad and he is in prison for 15 yrs..... Now that you know that there is an older man on the next street from me that served time for raping a minor family member.... Now that you know that there's many cases of it in the news... I'll tell you about another friend. Her Uncle molested her and her sisters. They never talked about it until they were adults. Yep, incest is an excuse. WTF?! Let's say that 1% of Abortions are due to incest, does the 1% excuse the other 99%? I don't oppose abortions due to incest, but I do oppose abortions for frivolous reasons. Incest, rape and life of the mother are the only morally and ethically acceptable reasons for abortions. I know someone who got an abortion because she didn't want to deal with another kid. I know someone who has gotten several abortions because she doesn't like to use birth control. Those are not legitimate reasons to kill another human being. |
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No, I just think that the Incest excuse for why Abortion must be legal is ridiculous. If you have to libel me to feel like you have made a point, then you have issue. If you are willing to commit libel and accept fallacious logic to hold onto your beloved right to infanticide, then that's your problem and one I am very happy to not share in. Now that you know that my friend's 12 yr. old daughter was raped by her step-dad and he is in prison for 15 yrs..... Now that you know that there is an older man on the next street from me that served time for raping a minor family member.... Now that you know that there's many cases of it in the news... I'll tell you about another friend. Her Uncle molested her and her sisters. They never talked about it until they were adults. Yep, incest is an excuse. WTF?! Let's say that 1% of Abortions are due to incest, does the 1% excuse the other 99%? I don't oppose abortions due to incest, but I do oppose abortions for frivolous reasons. Incest, rape and life of the mother are the only morally and ethically acceptable reasons for abortions. I know someone who got an abortion because she didn't want to deal with another kid. I know someone who has gotten several abortions because she doesn't like to use birth control. Those are not legitimate reasons to kill another human being. Be that as it may, if Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion becomes criminalized, abortions will STILL happen - just more dangerous and deadly ones. You may not personally agree with abortion, but to make it illegal is just plain stupid. |
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No, I just think that the Incest excuse for why Abortion must be legal is ridiculous. If you have to libel me to feel like you have made a point, then you have issue. If you are willing to commit libel and accept fallacious logic to hold onto your beloved right to infanticide, then that's your problem and one I am very happy to not share in. Now that you know that my friend's 12 yr. old daughter was raped by her step-dad and he is in prison for 15 yrs..... Now that you know that there is an older man on the next street from me that served time for raping a minor family member.... Now that you know that there's many cases of it in the news... I'll tell you about another friend. Her Uncle molested her and her sisters. They never talked about it until they were adults. Yep, incest is an excuse. WTF?! Let's say that 1% of Abortions are due to incest, does the 1% excuse the other 99%? I don't oppose abortions due to incest, but I do oppose abortions for frivolous reasons. Incest, rape and life of the mother are the only morally and ethically acceptable reasons for abortions. I know someone who got an abortion because she didn't want to deal with another kid. I know someone who has gotten several abortions because she doesn't like to use birth control. Those are not legitimate reasons to kill another human being. I believe it to be higher than 1%. I am just one person and I know those people. I personally am against abortion for myself. But...I want it legal for rape victims, the life of the mother, and if something is horribly awful life threatening to the fetus. I would not have an abortion but I have no right to tell my neighbor not to have one. I cannot relate to the two women that you know. |
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No, I just think that the Incest excuse for why Abortion must be legal is ridiculous. If you have to libel me to feel like you have made a point, then you have issue. If you are willing to commit libel and accept fallacious logic to hold onto your beloved right to infanticide, then that's your problem and one I am very happy to not share in. Now that you know that my friend's 12 yr. old daughter was raped by her step-dad and he is in prison for 15 yrs..... Now that you know that there is an older man on the next street from me that served time for raping a minor family member.... Now that you know that there's many cases of it in the news... I'll tell you about another friend. Her Uncle molested her and her sisters. They never talked about it until they were adults. Yep, incest is an excuse. WTF?! Let's say that 1% of Abortions are due to incest, does the 1% excuse the other 99%? I don't oppose abortions due to incest, but I do oppose abortions for frivolous reasons. Incest, rape and life of the mother are the only morally and ethically acceptable reasons for abortions. I know someone who got an abortion because she didn't want to deal with another kid. I know someone who has gotten several abortions because she doesn't like to use birth control. Those are not legitimate reasons to kill another human being. Be that as it may, if Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion becomes criminalized, abortions will STILL happen - just more dangerous and deadly ones. You may not personally agree with abortion, but to make it illegal is just plain stupid. I said this in the other thread. In the late 70's I was living in a college dorm (yeah, I'm old). My state didn't have abortions at that time. Three women in my dorm performed self abortions with a hangar. They had to go to the ER in the middle of the night. These were scared 19 yr. old's away from home. |
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For those of you who do not support choice I have a question.
How do you feel about the pill? Do you share this guys opinion? A Southern Baptist leader and teacher has a message for women: Taking birth control pills is "murder" and a "sin." The opinion of Dr. Thomas White is reverberating around Baptist circles, and causing at least one Tarrant County pastor to publicly disagree. Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth shapes the Baptist pastors of tomorrow, determining the future of the church. That's why Dr. White's sermon earlier this month is getting so much attention. Dr. White is a mentor at the seminary, charged with helping future pastors make the right decisions. But earlier this month, a repentant Dr. White addressed those students. He confessed that he and his wife had employed birth control pill years earlier. "The reason that we did it was my own selfishness," he said. "I wanted kids, but I wanted kids — not in God's timing, but in my timing." Dr. White now condemns the use of birth control pills, saying, "It's murder of a life." |
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No, I just think that the Incest excuse for why Abortion must be legal is ridiculous. If you have to libel me to feel like you have made a point, then you have issue. If you are willing to commit libel and accept fallacious logic to hold onto your beloved right to infanticide, then that's your problem and one I am very happy to not share in. Now that you know that my friend's 12 yr. old daughter was raped by her step-dad and he is in prison for 15 yrs..... Now that you know that there is an older man on the next street from me that served time for raping a minor family member.... Now that you know that there's many cases of it in the news... I'll tell you about another friend. Her Uncle molested her and her sisters. They never talked about it until they were adults. Yep, incest is an excuse. WTF?! Let's say that 1% of Abortions are due to incest, does the 1% excuse the other 99%? I don't oppose abortions due to incest, but I do oppose abortions for frivolous reasons. Incest, rape and life of the mother are the only morally and ethically acceptable reasons for abortions. I know someone who got an abortion because she didn't want to deal with another kid. I know someone who has gotten several abortions because she doesn't like to use birth control. Those are not legitimate reasons to kill another human being. Be that as it may, if Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion becomes criminalized, abortions will STILL happen - just more dangerous and deadly ones. You may not personally agree with abortion, but to make it illegal is just plain stupid. Hey, the KKK is going to lynch blacks even if it's not legal, so we might as well legalize it so that we know they are doing it the right way. Yeah, that makes sense. When has "They will do it anyways, so it might as well be legal" EVER been an excuse except for infanticide? EVER? Things that are going to happen anyways, so we might as well make it legal... 1) Incest 2) Rape 3) Molestation 4) Murder 5) Theft 6) Assault 7) Wife beating ... Do I need to go on? Your reasoning on that is terrible, come up with a better reason than "they are gonna do it anyways" or give it up! There are a lot of crimes that people are going to be doing anyways... |
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For those of you who do not support choice I have a question. How do you feel about the pill? Do you share this guys opinion? A Southern Baptist leader and teacher has a message for women: Taking birth control pills is "murder" and a "sin." The opinion of Dr. Thomas White is reverberating around Baptist circles, and causing at least one Tarrant County pastor to publicly disagree. Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth shapes the Baptist pastors of tomorrow, determining the future of the church. That's why Dr. White's sermon earlier this month is getting so much attention. Dr. White is a mentor at the seminary, charged with helping future pastors make the right decisions. But earlier this month, a repentant Dr. White addressed those students. He confessed that he and his wife had employed birth control pill years earlier. "The reason that we did it was my own selfishness," he said. "I wanted kids, but I wanted kids — not in God's timing, but in my timing." Dr. White now condemns the use of birth control pills, saying, "It's murder of a life." The pill, I have no problems with. The morning after pill is still infanticide, it's just using poison instead of a pair of scissors. |
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No, I just think that the Incest excuse for why Abortion must be legal is ridiculous. If you have to libel me to feel like you have made a point, then you have issue. If you are willing to commit libel and accept fallacious logic to hold onto your beloved right to infanticide, then that's your problem and one I am very happy to not share in. Now that you know that my friend's 12 yr. old daughter was raped by her step-dad and he is in prison for 15 yrs..... Now that you know that there is an older man on the next street from me that served time for raping a minor family member.... Now that you know that there's many cases of it in the news... I'll tell you about another friend. Her Uncle molested her and her sisters. They never talked about it until they were adults. Yep, incest is an excuse. WTF?! Let's say that 1% of Abortions are due to incest, does the 1% excuse the other 99%? I don't oppose abortions due to incest, but I do oppose abortions for frivolous reasons. Incest, rape and life of the mother are the only morally and ethically acceptable reasons for abortions. I know someone who got an abortion because she didn't want to deal with another kid. I know someone who has gotten several abortions because she doesn't like to use birth control. Those are not legitimate reasons to kill another human being. Be that as it may, if Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion becomes criminalized, abortions will STILL happen - just more dangerous and deadly ones. You may not personally agree with abortion, but to make it illegal is just plain stupid. Hey, the KKK is going to lynch blacks even if it's not legal, so we might as well legalize it so that we know they are doing it the right way. Yeah, that makes sense. When has "They will do it anyways, so it might as well be legal" EVER been an excuse except for infanticide? EVER? Things that are going to happen anyways, so we might as well make it legal... 1) Incest 2) Rape 3) Molestation 4) Murder 5) Theft 6) Assault 7) Wife beating ... Do I need to go on? Your reasoning on that is terrible, come up with a better reason than "they are gonna do it anyways" or give it up! There are a lot of crimes that people are going to be doing anyways... |
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No, I just think that the Incest excuse for why Abortion must be legal is ridiculous. If you have to libel me to feel like you have made a point, then you have issue. If you are willing to commit libel and accept fallacious logic to hold onto your beloved right to infanticide, then that's your problem and one I am very happy to not share in. Now that you know that my friend's 12 yr. old daughter was raped by her step-dad and he is in prison for 15 yrs..... Now that you know that there is an older man on the next street from me that served time for raping a minor family member.... Now that you know that there's many cases of it in the news... I'll tell you about another friend. Her Uncle molested her and her sisters. They never talked about it until they were adults. Yep, incest is an excuse. WTF?! Let's say that 1% of Abortions are due to incest, does the 1% excuse the other 99%? I don't oppose abortions due to incest, but I do oppose abortions for frivolous reasons. Incest, rape and life of the mother are the only morally and ethically acceptable reasons for abortions. I know someone who got an abortion because she didn't want to deal with another kid. I know someone who has gotten several abortions because she doesn't like to use birth control. Those are not legitimate reasons to kill another human being. Be that as it may, if Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion becomes criminalized, abortions will STILL happen - just more dangerous and deadly ones. You may not personally agree with abortion, but to make it illegal is just plain stupid. Hey, the KKK is going to lynch blacks even if it's not legal, so we might as well legalize it so that we know they are doing it the right way. Yeah, that makes sense. When has "They will do it anyways, so it might as well be legal" EVER been an excuse except for infanticide? EVER? Things that are going to happen anyways, so we might as well make it legal... 1) Incest 2) Rape 3) Molestation 4) Murder 5) Theft 6) Assault 7) Wife beating ... Do I need to go on? Your reasoning on that is terrible, come up with a better reason than "they are gonna do it anyways" or give it up! There are a lot of crimes that people are going to be doing anyways... You're comparing abortion to all of those things you mentioned above?? 
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For those of you who do not support choice I have a question. How do you feel about the pill? Do you share this guys opinion? A Southern Baptist leader and teacher has a message for women: Taking birth control pills is "murder" and a "sin." The opinion of Dr. Thomas White is reverberating around Baptist circles, and causing at least one Tarrant County pastor to publicly disagree. Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth shapes the Baptist pastors of tomorrow, determining the future of the church. That's why Dr. White's sermon earlier this month is getting so much attention. Dr. White is a mentor at the seminary, charged with helping future pastors make the right decisions. But earlier this month, a repentant Dr. White addressed those students. He confessed that he and his wife had employed birth control pill years earlier. "The reason that we did it was my own selfishness," he said. "I wanted kids, but I wanted kids — not in God's timing, but in my timing." Dr. White now condemns the use of birth control pills, saying, "It's murder of a life." The pill, I have no problems with. The morning after pill is still infanticide, it's just using poison instead of a pair of scissors. What happens when the condom breaks? Or, the pill doesn't work? Is that still the couple being irresponsible? |
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What happens when the condom breaks? Or, the pill doesn't work? Is that still the couple being irresponsible? Did I say anything about responsibility? You take your risks and you take your lumps. If a couple gets pregnant, they can find a couple who will pay all of their baby related expenses and give the kid up when it's delivered. Nobody says that life is without risks. If you make an investment that is a "sure thing" and lose your shirt, you don't get the right to kill someone and take your money back. Sorry, but sometimes there are consequences to your actions, I can't feel sorry for someone who has sex and then has to take care of a baby. I got my girlfriend pregnant, so I quit my job and moved hundreds of miles away (LDR) to be there for the mother and the baby. I would have a lot more money and have no bills other than utilities if I had stayed where I was, but I knew I had a responsibility. The idea of killing a baby so that I didn't have to change my life all around never occured to me. |
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No, I just think that the Incest excuse for why Abortion must be legal is ridiculous. If you have to libel me to feel like you have made a point, then you have issue. If you are willing to commit libel and accept fallacious logic to hold onto your beloved right to infanticide, then that's your problem and one I am very happy to not share in. Now that you know that my friend's 12 yr. old daughter was raped by her step-dad and he is in prison for 15 yrs..... Now that you know that there is an older man on the next street from me that served time for raping a minor family member.... Now that you know that there's many cases of it in the news... I'll tell you about another friend. Her Uncle molested her and her sisters. They never talked about it until they were adults. Yep, incest is an excuse. WTF?! Let's say that 1% of Abortions are due to incest, does the 1% excuse the other 99%? I don't oppose abortions due to incest, but I do oppose abortions for frivolous reasons. Incest, rape and life of the mother are the only morally and ethically acceptable reasons for abortions. I know someone who got an abortion because she didn't want to deal with another kid. I know someone who has gotten several abortions because she doesn't like to use birth control. Those are not legitimate reasons to kill another human being. Be that as it may, if Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion becomes criminalized, abortions will STILL happen - just more dangerous and deadly ones. You may not personally agree with abortion, but to make it illegal is just plain stupid. Hey, the KKK is going to lynch blacks even if it's not legal, so we might as well legalize it so that we know they are doing it the right way. Yeah, that makes sense. When has "They will do it anyways, so it might as well be legal" EVER been an excuse except for infanticide? EVER? Things that are going to happen anyways, so we might as well make it legal... 1) Incest 2) Rape 3) Molestation 4) Murder 5) Theft 6) Assault 7) Wife beating ... Do I need to go on? Your reasoning on that is terrible, come up with a better reason than "they are gonna do it anyways" or give it up! There are a lot of crimes that people are going to be doing anyways... You're comparing abortion to all of those things you mentioned above?? Abortion is killing a baby human, so let's measure infanticide against those seven items on the list to see which is worse. 1) Incest - The child still lives and can have a normal life. Winner: Abortion 2) Rape - See #1 3) Molestation - See #1 4) Murder - Abortion is murder. Winner: Tie 5) Theft - Abortion is murder, theft is simply a property crime. Winner: Abortion 6) Assault - Assault in itself refers to a beating which leaves the victim alive. Winner: Abortion 7) Wife beating - See # 6 Abortion is equal to or worse than all of those crimes, so I'm not sure what your objection is. Do you think that killing a baby is a less serious crime than stealing a taco? |
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No, I just think that the Incest excuse for why Abortion must be legal is ridiculous. If you have to libel me to feel like you have made a point, then you have issue. If you are willing to commit libel and accept fallacious logic to hold onto your beloved right to infanticide, then that's your problem and one I am very happy to not share in. Now that you know that my friend's 12 yr. old daughter was raped by her step-dad and he is in prison for 15 yrs..... Now that you know that there is an older man on the next street from me that served time for raping a minor family member.... Now that you know that there's many cases of it in the news... I'll tell you about another friend. Her Uncle molested her and her sisters. They never talked about it until they were adults. Yep, incest is an excuse. WTF?! Let's say that 1% of Abortions are due to incest, does the 1% excuse the other 99%? I don't oppose abortions due to incest, but I do oppose abortions for frivolous reasons. Incest, rape and life of the mother are the only morally and ethically acceptable reasons for abortions. I know someone who got an abortion because she didn't want to deal with another kid. I know someone who has gotten several abortions because she doesn't like to use birth control. Those are not legitimate reasons to kill another human being. Be that as it may, if Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion becomes criminalized, abortions will STILL happen - just more dangerous and deadly ones. You may not personally agree with abortion, but to make it illegal is just plain stupid. Hey, the KKK is going to lynch blacks even if it's not legal, so we might as well legalize it so that we know they are doing it the right way. Yeah, that makes sense. When has "They will do it anyways, so it might as well be legal" EVER been an excuse except for infanticide? EVER? Things that are going to happen anyways, so we might as well make it legal... 1) Incest 2) Rape 3) Molestation 4) Murder 5) Theft 6) Assault 7) Wife beating ... Do I need to go on? Your reasoning on that is terrible, come up with a better reason than "they are gonna do it anyways" or give it up! There are a lot of crimes that people are going to be doing anyways... You're comparing abortion to all of those things you mentioned above?? Abortion is killing a baby human, so let's measure infanticide against those seven items on the list to see which is worse. 1) Incest - The child still lives and can have a normal life. Winner: Abortion 2) Rape - See #1 3) Molestation - See #1 4) Murder - Abortion is murder. Winner: Tie 5) Theft - Abortion is murder, theft is simply a property crime. Winner: Abortion 6) Assault - Assault in itself refers to a beating which leaves the victim alive. Winner: Abortion 7) Wife beating - See # 6 Abortion is equal to or worse than all of those crimes, so I'm not sure what your objection is. Do you think that killing a baby is a less serious crime than stealing a taco? To force a child or woman to have a child that came from rape or incest is cruel. It is emotional and mental abuse to the child or woman. |
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To force a child or woman to have a child that came from rape or incest is cruel. It is emotional and mental abuse to the child or woman. Logical Fallacy: Appeal to Emotion. Logical Fallacy: Strawman Fallacy. 1) That's so sad.  Anything that makes us sad must be changed, right? 2) I already said that I support abortion in cases of Rape, incest and life of the mother. My point is that you cannot justify abortion on demand because of those three rare cases. RIF. |
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What I can't get my mind around is, how anyone can support (it and the man O) who is for partial birth abortions, or not caring for late (ICK!)term abortions babies that survive!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h80mSgsQ6CU (and they are waiting for O's apology for calling them liars.) BB |
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What happens when the condom breaks? Or, the pill doesn't work? Is that still the couple being irresponsible? Did I say anything about responsibility? You take your risks and you take your lumps. If a couple gets pregnant, they can find a couple who will pay all of their baby related expenses and give the kid up when it's delivered. Nobody says that life is without risks. If you make an investment that is a "sure thing" and lose your shirt, you don't get the right to kill someone and take your money back. Sorry, but sometimes there are consequences to your actions, I can't feel sorry for someone who has sex and then has to take care of a baby. I got my girlfriend pregnant, so I quit my job and moved hundreds of miles away (LDR) to be there for the mother and the baby. I would have a lot more money and have no bills other than utilities if I had stayed where I was, but I knew I had a responsibility. The idea of killing a baby so that I didn't have to change my life all around never occured to me. If you get a woman pregnant and decide not to keep the baby, feel free to give it up for adoption. But, to push your beliefs on others, that isn't right. |
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What I can't get my mind around is, how anyone can support (it and the man O) who is for partial birth abortions, or not caring for late (ICK!)term abortions babies that survive!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h80mSgsQ6CU (and they are waiting for O's apology for calling them liars.) BB I guess that you don't know the facts about that situation. Illinois already had this on the books. Obama has said that he personally is not for abortions. He is for the choice of others though. Obama feels strongly about having policies that would reduce the number of abortions -- support for pregnant women, abstinence education, the responsible promotion of birth control. |
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What happens when the condom breaks? Or, the pill doesn't work? Is that still the couple being irresponsible? Did I say anything about responsibility? You take your risks and you take your lumps. If a couple gets pregnant, they can find a couple who will pay all of their baby related expenses and give the kid up when it's delivered. Nobody says that life is without risks. If you make an investment that is a "sure thing" and lose your shirt, you don't get the right to kill someone and take your money back. Sorry, but sometimes there are consequences to your actions, I can't feel sorry for someone who has sex and then has to take care of a baby. I got my girlfriend pregnant, so I quit my job and moved hundreds of miles away (LDR) to be there for the mother and the baby. I would have a lot more money and have no bills other than utilities if I had stayed where I was, but I knew I had a responsibility. The idea of killing a baby so that I didn't have to change my life all around never occured to me. If you get a woman pregnant and decide not to keep the baby, feel free to give it up for adoption. But, to push your beliefs on others, that isn't right. Is a fetus alive? By every stand we have for judging life, that: YES. Is a fetus human? I think so, do you? Or are you like Obama and not sure? |
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What I can't get my mind around is, how anyone can support (it and the man O) who is for partial birth abortions, or not caring for late (ICK!)term abortions babies that survive!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h80mSgsQ6CU (and they are waiting for O's apology for calling them liars.) BB I guess that you don't know the facts about that situation. Illinois already had this on the books. Obama has said that he personally is not for abortions. He is for the choice of others though. Obama's position is specious. |
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