as do evolutionist when it's referred to as the Monkey mythology - sharpshooter

but for the sake of argument, if it was real, or I believed in it then there would be no discomfort in the idea

Are you new.....why the heck would anyone want to live in a negative...there is enough of that all around us. Again please try and understand this. I am a positive person this doesn't mean that negative or "bad" things don't happen..They do on a daily basis...you deal and they then become part of your past. But the constant negative that are in this threads is so mudane that it really makes me almost want to hurl.

No one has to agree with anything but it also imo to come in and take something and make it now so dreary is just patetic. When I wrote this thread the first sentence was how others perceive Christians.......The second sentence was how we perceive ourselves and since that is the case to enjoy the dance. Now it turned all negative and once again the whole fun of the thread is lost on all the negative nelly's.....

Speak your own truths as I do..then let people take away from it as they wish....I am all for that.....

This is such utter crap and I totally agree with Tom....My pastor just danced with me at a wedding.....and we cut a rug and had a blast until the wee hours of the morning....

I think people are using the wrong people as examples. And this is exactly my point in this thread...read the second sentence of how we as Christian perceive ourselves and then dare to put this kind of crap up......

I am only relating a very true experience that happened to me. It is not crap. It is a true story. I'm sorry you didn't like it.

It does not mean there are not hundreds of thousands of Christians who party till the cows come home, I am sure there are more of these than you might suspect, but I doubt you will go to a nightclub and see a priest or your local pastor dancing up a storm.

Churches for the most part I have found are full of very somber and serious people particularly during the Sunday service. This is of course not true for all of them. Our local Assembly of God Church had a pastor and wife who were more like entertainers than Preachers. They loved being on stage playing their guitars and pianos singing away and starred in every local community variety show that was put on. I think they just liked the spotlight.

So please don't tell me that my story is crap. It was a true story and an honest impression. Your experience I'm sure is very different.

JB

Sorry I meant dancing banana. Im having some server issues. Thanks.

<----- can party till the cows come home

-------> <--------- Okay, me too!

I wanna party and I need those damn cows to get back home!

JB

not trying to take sides but I think she meant that the preacher in questions actions were utter crap, not the story,

afternoon JB

So true Feral... you made a lovely post only to have people challenge even your intentions. It's sad...

...but as for ME!!!! I loved it! Thank you for the cheery song from one heart (yours, & truly) to another (mine.)

We shall sing of the goodness of the Lord forever... We shall sing! We shall sing!

Thats good and a healthy attitude to have. Some people just refuse to even evaluate it and look over the premise itself because they interpret it as someone calling them a monkey. For one thing, its chimpanzee specifically and we diverged about 6 million years ago so its not like they are trying to claim a few generations back or something. This is why they are our Pri-Mates however and they are wonderful animals. I love gorillas especially though they are like night and day compared with the chimps who are much more busy and easily agitated (like people). The amazing thing that I noticed specifically is their hands. They are much longer than our own and they don't have the opposable thumb. They cant touch their thumb to each finger as we can. That really made a difference and enabled us to adapt to life on the ground. We lost all of that upper body musculature as well. Or so the theory goes...

Anyway Feral, carry on. I apologize for misdirecting the thread a bit. I think it only occurred because evolution was mentioned once or twice.

Maybe you have not looked hard enough . . . .

Have you really studied evolution, I really dig what you have written on these forums Sharpshooter, I have found respect for your views. It would thrill me to no end to know that you cared enough to look at what has been discovered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8

There are SOOO many transitional fossils that we have a hard time arranging them. Nature is SOOO prolific that its staggering the sum total of transitional forms.

You, and I are both transitional as well. We are a transitional form from our parents to our children. Each little change adds up.

We did not evolve from monkeys either. We evolved from a now extinct species. When that species and the mutant offspring that became us became separated the genes started to evolve in different directions because the 2 offshoots where no longer interbreeding. When they became different enough to not be compatible for breeding that is when we define a different species. Its not magic, its all around us. Look at dogs . . . .

Here is the transitional fossil link again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8

And here is how evolution works. I find it to be everything that is needed to explain my existence and it makes more sense then magic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY&feature=PlayList&p=019F146277A3EDFD&index=0&playnext=1

No one said anything about "constant" negative. This was your interpretation, Feral. I would venture to say that the "constant" focusing on only positive may indicate a fear of one's own denied negative.

This poster has no wish to live in "mundane" negativity. It has simply been experienced that running from one's own negative creates FAR more negativity and a life way out of balance. We ALL contain both sides of the coin...

Until one stops running, admits the negative and takes full responsibility, one can not truly be free (kind of like how confession works). Until this moment is passed thru, more negativity builds like a clogged artery.

Does prefacing your post with, this poster being "new" suggest that what has been shared is any less valid?

I don't know if she did or not, but she also added this:



I actually feel sorry for the preacher who could not cut loose and have fun. He felt it would not be "proper" given his "standing in the community" which in my opinion was mostly in his mind.

But Feral's post was a complaint that I would dare to "use the wrong people as an example" and "put this kind of crap up." that is the way I read it.

MOST of my experience with preachers and pastors is that they want to be treated differently. They want to be tiptoed around. They want to be viewed as "holy men of God" and they don't feel they can just act like the average Joe on the street, and some are even insulted if you treat them like everybody else. They love their "authoritative position"
over others.

I would say 8 out of 10 pastors I have known are like this. The other two are show people who love to be on a stage performing and singing and using their religious position to do it. They love the spotlight and pride themselves as "just like everybody else" and they live to promote the idea that "even Christians can have fun."

That is my personal assessment of men and women of the cloth. If they just wanted to help their fellow man, they can do that without becoming a minister. But they became ministers because they like the perks.

Two of the most useless professions in my opinion are preachers and lawyers.

I am a legally ordained minister of the Universal Life Church and I think everyone should become ordained just so that these preachers and ministers will stop going around thinking that they are a cut above the rest and "holy men and women of the cloth."

We can all minister to others everyday as human beings. We should all start our own non profit churches and become tax exempt. Just one click of the button on the Internet at the original Universal Life Church website (there are many, go to the original one) and you too can be an ordained minister.

There may be some who do want to help and serve others, but they can find many more useful professions to do that. Nursing for the elderly, home health, family counceling, psychology, physical fitness, alternative therapy, the medical profession, home repair, building homes, raising food, etc.

But to actually think you know more about God than anyone else and work as a preacher of lies is .... well, a "sin" IMO.

That's Jackie T Hunt speaking in this post. She is my alter personality. She likes to rant.

Jackie T. that's me.

the curse of the knowledge of the tree of good and evil..........religion, that like an auto pilot, closes the eyes to all other data, never adding one shredd of knowing since the day it's "singular truth" was found, what finally made one believe oneself "as right", that relieved the guilt and fear of "being wrong", that plagued the soul, or no looking would have been done to begin with, with such strong belief of self right perpetuated from surrounding oneself with only others believing and seeking the same, all doing all from the "greatest wish" to be as right, and saved from self bad, coming soon the wish to be vindicated before all that spoke any evil, of course evil coming to be all that say one is wrong, but the "ticket of oneself as right" is good for eternity it is told, and the brain is cut off, to whole reality of all itself is, which leaves the brain as never learning anything more again, since proof of "being right" is now believed as coming from some "god himself".......

many different believed gods, but all perpetuating the same assurance as sought, that oneself is good, and saved, which is proof of right, and the same wish of vindication soon comes to be had by all........

the saddest state of existence, because it leads to a misery of self, that only comes to be able to be felt over a very slooooooooooow period of time......

slooooooooooooooooooow "death of sight" of others, as even having value, and soon loss value of life for many, and a groooooooooooooooowing sight of evil more each day..........

if god of text is a peaceful god, then beliefs from him would seem to have to make peace for ALL, not for one, or just one group, or he is a false god of war and murder, as all such beliefs that cause divide, as growing, lead to war, which is death for many..........

how can all in the world look thru the eyes of self right most, if self believe what makes many others evil......

would not there soon be all looking at others and claiming all others wrong, and self right only, soon coming to all minds being as singular dictators........

is this not one brain thinking it is "wiser" than all other brains put together, and all others as ignorant?

are ANY totally wrong, or is it the illusion that one brain is smarter than all other's met along the road is very powerful, and perpetuated from seeking out others that agree, make it even a more powerful illusion, as it is no without any doubt an illusion, just from the sheer ridiculousness of such a notion as possible.....

until this is let go, the PROOF FOUND TO MAKE IT SO, IS WHAT THE BRAIN PUT TOGETHER TO BE PROOF, from infinite data available to find, keeping anything from seeing all others are right also, and it is all perceptions absorbed which make for total sight, which is learning more each day from all things as a teacher.....

ever learning, instead of never learning, as only retaining and confirming what one already knows, lol.....

of course your right about many, many, many things, but to look for how one is wrong is the only way to add more wisdom....

is not this just common sense......

was it not said in your own text that jesus was coming back to make peace for the entire universe, so how can a religion that despise many, many, many others be the whole truth of a text?

it is not missed it also said "ALL like sheep have gone astray"............so then are not ALL SHEEP.....

what makes any sheep go astray....I AM THE MOST RIGHT, AND IF I CAN GET SOMEONE TO AGREE WITH ME, THIS MAKES IT SO......

please, can it not be seen that all others that do not agree, will be just replaced with someone that does, lol.......

it is not missed jesus said "what you have done unto the least of these you, you have done AS unto me......so then ALL are AS jesus, even learning the same things.....

it is not missed it said "god" of text so loved the WORLD"......so then what god is it that love only a small group of the world, the small group of all that agree with self, lol......

of course this make one believe oneself is the greatest and favorite of god, lol.....

it is not missed that one of the few admonishments by jesus to the diciples was over WHO was the greatest.......

corrected by jesus himself over what....

WHAT THE ROOT OF SUCH THINKING AS THIS WOULD MAKE IN TIME.......GREATEST EVIL, AS DIVIDE AMOUNG MAN MAKE ALL WAR, VIOLENCE, MURDER, HATE, AND MANY, MANY, MANY IN TIME AS EVIL, AND READY FOR DISPOSAL TO THE HUMAN DUMP......

it is not missed that it said "ALL THINGS work to gether for good.......is not ALL THINGS then also ALL PEOPLE.....

no different than night and day, cold and hot, hate and love, calm and excited, good and evil.....

it is not missed that it also said to love thy enemy as thyself........is this not to the "professed washed", all others that don't agree, as thinking now self as greatest, all others then are seen to be as "unwashed", then heard and seen as ENEMIES........

your text never said who you deem to be thy "christian neighbor", as this would have made divide amoungst ALL mankind, and why it was said.....

to keep "defintions of good" AS BEING OF A SINGULAR TRUTH, OR GROUP TRUTH, BUT RATHER MUST BE ALL GOOD FOR ALL, or it will grow into what will always end as a dictatorship, no different than hitler taught us.......

cannot the POSITIVE ALONG WITH THE NEGATIVE OF HITLER, save any later and keep from happening again?

the seeing of what thinking, in it's infancy, becoming as beliefs held, from half-truths spoken that sound good, words of flattery of self wishes, before they grow into evil so big they cannot be easily overcome........

finding the GOOD thing ALL THINGS teach, never being found seeing anything as a negative, as if hitler was only a negative, this would make only for sight that blame him, which only makes one try to extinguish evil, creating more evil to do it, never allowing the root of thinking that create such things to be seen, that are really always totally as innocent wishes, to be exposed, before such things create what is so big, it cannot be easily corrected......

how does one wish their evil neighbor destroyed, and not see the heart only wishes to be as vindicated right, so bad, as it hate to hear it is wrong with such despise, that it would wish all others dstroyed, and so find such truths, no different than root thinking hitler had in the start, and truly he wished to eliminate what he "thought" made all evil, and if it was cleansed, and washed away, evil would be gone, FORGETTING THE ONE THING, TO ALWAYS LOOK AT SELF FOR EVIL AS WELL, LOL.........

he came to aquire the status and power to accomplish such things, thru BELIEF OF OTHERS, THAT ALSO WISHED TO BE RELIEVED OF EVIL, FOR PROTECTION FROM EVIL, THEN MANY OTHERS JOINED, OR THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO POWER.....

so the essence of the moral of the story seems to be IF ONE BELIEVE IN GREATER EVIL THAN ONESELF, THERE WILL BE EVIL PERPETUATED.....

is it that hard to see that if one is born into the same mind of another, having the same experience, same personality, same emotions, same treatment, same teachings, one would do the same, as do not ALL COME INTO THE WORLD A BLANK SLATE, AND COME TO BE FILLED IN BY ENVIRONMENT......

so if one comes back, and believes the same as you QS, and SAYS HE IS JESUS COME IN THE FLESH, ADN PERHAPS SHOWS NAIL PRINTS IN BOTH HANDS, AS MANY A MAGICIAN CAN DO, easy for chris angel one would suppose, and agree's with all the interpretations you hold to as ALL TRUTH OF GOD, and says IT IS TIME, I HAVE COME TO RESCUE YOU GOOD FOLLOWER, we shall ELIMINATE THE EVIL WICKED, being all others that do not agree with us........would you believe and follow......

is this not what the mortal walk itself is designed to make all come to forsake?

is this not what hitler told the people......

was it hitler that was the greatest threat to mankind, or such beliefs HELD that think there are some born that are of the devil, of the lost souls, AND SOME THAT ARE GOOD, AND BETTER.......

TWO GROUP THINKING PERIOD......GOOD AND EVIL

he was only ONE man, but what the hell made the followers believe him??????????

the followers are equally guilty, as did they not give him the power to do all he did......

all are responsible for not seeing or believing ANY OTHER IS OF LESS VALUE THEN THEMSELF, WITH ANY BELIEF.........PERIOD

THESE THAT BELIEVED SUCH MURDEROUS DEVISIVE NOTIONS WANTED CONFIRMATION OF SELF SO BAD, AND TO PROTECT SELF MOST, AND PRESERVE SELF MOST, THAT IT MADE THEM FALL TO SUCH DECEPTION OF WORDS, SOON COMING TO WISH TO BE RID OF ALL OTHERS THAT WERE AS A THREAT, THAT BELIEVED DIFFERENT, OR WISHED TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THEM......

HOW ARE SUCH THINGS ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION THAT BELIEVE IT'S NEIGHBORS ARE EVIL......

i do not wish to make you wrong, as this is not a wish of mine for any, as i wish for friends as much as the next guy, maybe more, and error is a tough thing for any human to accept, and why the whole host of names that could be attributed to such beliefs as these are LEFT OUT, not for some law fo goodness, but because true reality of belief is always the hardest to admit while mortal, and we shall all come to be as ONE, WITH COMMON GOOD FOR ALL AS ONE.......

there are no ideas here presented as some whole truth, as there is no wisdom of myself, but rather logical facts just as seen down thru time, thru my ignorant perception, awaiting the adding of others wisdom to complete, as no perception is complete of itself......

it is again not missed it was said of your own text as the GREATEST COMMANDMENT, TO LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.....

never said the neighbor that agress, your neighbor that is a "christian".....

how can it be true that jesus and all his angels are coming back to murder all the unwashed evil doers......

would not this make your god a hypocite, OF THE WORST KIND, AS BILLIONS HAVE BELIEVED AND HEEDED THE WORDS OF "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER".......

is it thought that god can do what he has instructed all not to do......PLEASE

how is this any better than the KKK.....

how are these beliefs better than any gang....

is it thought god of text is real, but cannot abide by his own teachings and commandments....

it could never create what was spoken to be of god, which was peace for all.....

would it not have to be all perceptions joined as one that make the whole truth, forsaking this natural human hate of being wrong, and believing oneself as most right......

it seems pointed out with great clarity, with GREAT EMPHASIS OF WORDS, whether the story of jesus is real or metophorical, to leave out the debate, that he was proved as ALL WRONG to himself, as when cring FATHER, FATHER, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME......

how could this be uttered, unless he, like all mankind in it's first state of self being right most, believed what he himself THOUGHT AS TRUE MOST, DID NOT HAPPEN......

is it wrong to seek self good....absolutely not, as the human body reside in self preservation most, so it is natural, but to wish most good for self, LEAVING OUT what is COMMON GOOD FOR ALL, and self is only extended outward to all that agree......

the WHOLE TRUTH must be able to find solutions for ALL, or it is diobolical, and lead to misery, the same as all truths that have thought such things in the past, have shown us with history, that actually come to DESTROY SELF in the end, and millions along the way.....

these such interpretations are no different than what so called "terrorist believe, in their infancy, and of the same root......EVIL NEIGHBORS

EVIL NEIGHBORS MAKE FOR MURDEROUS WISHES OF THE HEART IN TIME......

it is not missed it was said that if one wish in the heart of murder, it is no different than having committed.....

WHY......because not given up, and seen and amitted plainly with the mouth it is WRONG, in time one will as a blind man be led to murder, even before one knows how it happended....

it was never said in text to try to be a good person, in fact all words of wisdom within said this was as what divided all man against himself, and would blind and divide any civilization, but rather to only admit with all acceptence all was one at all times......the bad, and the ugly most of course, as this is what grow into what even onself truly does not wish for..........

interpretations making others as evil and unwashed make it harder for one to see that mortal is the sin, and hate of self wrong is the greatest sin, and nothing more.....

even paul withint the height of his ministry, as the leader of many, and looked to as a great leader, called himself the "CHIEF OF SINNERS"......perhaps he seen if ones loses sight of themself as having evil potential, without looking into self to spot and admit, than evil can always be created

jesus called himself as a sinner, when it was spoken, ALL LIKE SHEEP HAVE GONE ASTRAY....DID HE PROCLUDE HIMSELF......ALL MEANS ALL DOES IT NOT

was it not also said by jesus, I HAVE FELT IN ALL WAYS AS ALL MAN......

please.......all are as walking thru the same damn emotions, thru the same type experiences, learning all the very same things jesus did, for all to come to be smarter, of greater mental strength, not to be as BETTER PEOPLE THAN THE EVIL, but indeed to to gain the greatest peace there is known to any mortal, THAT TO BE WRONG MEANS ONE IS LEARNING, AS THIS MEANS YOU JUST ACCPETED MORE INTO THE SELF, SO NOW CONTAIN MORE WISDOM.............

indeed criticism comes to be the only food of wisdom.......

is mortal sin anything more than what the brain believe that keep human brains from learning more, as if god or greater wisdom of each one, was said to be as all knowing, and it is said to become as one with the father, or all truth, or one with greater self, than what shall not come to be the same, from seeing how, no longer following a guide of good that is not big enough for the whole world to be fit into, that will always make many others as evil.......

is the god of text as a "terrorist"?

no editing, so hope ok......just ideas from the devil.......

peace