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Anyway Feral, carry on. I apologize for misdirecting the thread a bit. I think it only occurred because evolution was mentioned once or twice.  It's way ok Krimsa......dang if an OP stayed on the subject all the way through I would be taking temperatures.....so hijack anytime... |
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not comparing creation with evolution, merely said that I dont see any of the in betweens of evolution, if I look at a fossil of a snail and go outside and find one, they look the same. There would have to be an ongoing thing with examples of all these stages that we could see today, I don't see all these stages and since it has supposedly went on for so long there would be even more of these stages that we could see. just think you would be able to see the in betweens. Anyone can believe Darwin if they want to i just dont. Maybe you have not looked hard enough . . . . Have you really studied evolution, I really dig what you have written on these forums Sharpshooter, I have found respect for your views. It would thrill me to no end to know that you cared enough to look at what has been discovered. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 There are SOOO many transitional fossils that we have a hard time arranging them. Nature is SOOO prolific that its staggering the sum total of transitional forms. You, and I are both transitional as well. We are a transitional form from our parents to our children. Each little change adds up. We did not evolve from monkeys either. We evolved from a now extinct species. When that species and the mutant offspring that became us became separated the genes started to evolve in different directions because the 2 offshoots where no longer interbreeding. When they became different enough to not be compatible for breeding that is when we define a different species. Its not magic, its all around us. Look at dogs . . . . Here is the transitional fossil link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 And here is how evolution works. I find it to be everything that is needed to explain my existence and it makes more sense then magic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY&feature=PlayList&p=019F146277A3EDFD&index=0&playnext=1 I do find it interesting though as i do many subjects |
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 Thats true. At least people dont generally get too pissed off about it because you can quote. Its not impossible to follow the lunacy. 
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not comparing creation with evolution, merely said that I dont see any of the in betweens of evolution, if I look at a fossil of a snail and go outside and find one, they look the same. There would have to be an ongoing thing with examples of all these stages that we could see today, I don't see all these stages and since it has supposedly went on for so long there would be even more of these stages that we could see. just think you would be able to see the in betweens. Anyone can believe Darwin if they want to i just dont. Maybe you have not looked hard enough . . . . Have you really studied evolution, I really dig what you have written on these forums Sharpshooter, I have found respect for your views. It would thrill me to no end to know that you cared enough to look at what has been discovered. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 There are SOOO many transitional fossils that we have a hard time arranging them. Nature is SOOO prolific that its staggering the sum total of transitional forms. You, and I are both transitional as well. We are a transitional form from our parents to our children. Each little change adds up. We did not evolve from monkeys either. We evolved from a now extinct species. When that species and the mutant offspring that became us became separated the genes started to evolve in different directions because the 2 offshoots where no longer interbreeding. When they became different enough to not be compatible for breeding that is when we define a different species. Its not magic, its all around us. Look at dogs . . . . Here is the transitional fossil link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 And here is how evolution works. I find it to be everything that is needed to explain my existence and it makes more sense then magic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY&feature=PlayList&p=019F146277A3EDFD&index=0&playnext=1 But this is exactly my point love......a dog is a dog and will always be a dog...and over the last 10 years and doing forums I have looked at sooo much about evolution. I say show me....I will even give you 400 years something that has changed from one species to another......It's just not going to happen...and this is why!!!!!!!! Everything was intended exactly as God had created it. Now this is not to say that humans will evolve I believe eventually we are going to loose a lot of inyards as well as our pinky toes because we just don't need them anymore. But there is no way that I came from any other species then a human being....no flossom fell from the sky that fell into the water that changed into a tadpole, frog, crawled out turn into a chimp, then me......no sir re bob. And if anyone can show me one species I will take a look. I have worked and studied the animal kingdom all my life.....so let's see what happens. |
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not comparing creation with evolution, merely said that I dont see any of the in betweens of evolution, if I look at a fossil of a snail and go outside and find one, they look the same. There would have to be an ongoing thing with examples of all these stages that we could see today, I don't see all these stages and since it has supposedly went on for so long there would be even more of these stages that we could see. just think you would be able to see the in betweens. Anyone can believe Darwin if they want to i just dont. Maybe you have not looked hard enough . . . . Have you really studied evolution, I really dig what you have written on these forums Sharpshooter, I have found respect for your views. It would thrill me to no end to know that you cared enough to look at what has been discovered. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 There are SOOO many transitional fossils that we have a hard time arranging them. Nature is SOOO prolific that its staggering the sum total of transitional forms. You, and I are both transitional as well. We are a transitional form from our parents to our children. Each little change adds up. We did not evolve from monkeys either. We evolved from a now extinct species. When that species and the mutant offspring that became us became separated the genes started to evolve in different directions because the 2 offshoots where no longer interbreeding. When they became different enough to not be compatible for breeding that is when we define a different species. Its not magic, its all around us. Look at dogs . . . . Here is the transitional fossil link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 And here is how evolution works. I find it to be everything that is needed to explain my existence and it makes more sense then magic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY&feature=PlayList&p=019F146277A3EDFD&index=0&playnext=1 I dont think Billy was saying that. You had posed the question about transitional fossils and he gave you some resources to investigate if you wanted to. No one is forcing anything on anybody that I saw here. 
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Feralcatlady wrote: This is such utter crap and I totally agree with Tom....My pastor just danced with me at a wedding.....and we cut a rug and had a blast until the wee hours of the morning.... I think people are using the wrong people as examples. And this is exactly my point in this thread...read the second sentence of how we as Christian perceive ourselves and then dare to put this kind of crap up...... I am only relating a very true experience that happened to me. It is not crap. It is a true story. I'm sorry you didn't like it. It does not mean there are not hundreds of thousands of Christians who party till the cows come home, I am sure there are more of these than you might suspect, but I doubt you will go to a nightclub and see a priest or your local pastor dancing up a storm. Churches for the most part I have found are full of very somber and serious people particularly during the Sunday service. This is of course not true for all of them. Our local Assembly of God Church had a pastor and wife who were more like entertainers than Preachers. They loved being on stage playing their guitars and pianos singing away and starred in every local community variety show that was put on. I think they just liked the spotlight. So please don't tell me that my story is crap. It was a true story and an honest impression. Your experience I'm sure is very different. JB not trying to take sides but I think she meant that the preacher in questions actions were utter crap, not the story, afternoon JB  I don't know if she did or not, but she also added this: I think people are using the wrong people as examples. And this is exactly my point in this thread...read the second sentence of how we as Christians perceive ourselves and then dare to put this kind of crap up...... I actually feel sorry for the preacher who could not cut loose and have fun. He felt it would not be "proper" given his "standing in the community" which in my opinion was mostly in his mind. But Feral's post was a complaint that I would dare to "use the wrong people as an example" and "put this kind of crap up." that is the way I read it. MOST of my experience with preachers and pastors is that they want to be treated differently. They want to be tiptoed around. They want to be viewed as "holy men of God" and they don't feel they can just act like the average Joe on the street, and some are even insulted if you treat them like everybody else. They love their "authoritative position" over others. I would say 8 out of 10 pastors I have known are like this. The other two are show people who love to be on a stage performing and singing and using their religious position to do it. They love the spotlight and pride themselves as "just like everybody else" and they live to promote the idea that "even Christians can have fun." That is my personal assessment of men and women of the cloth. If they just wanted to help their fellow man, they can do that without becoming a minister. But they became ministers because they like the perks. Two of the most useless professions in my opinion are preachers and lawyers. I am a legally ordained minister of the Universal Life Church and I think everyone should become ordained just so that these preachers and ministers will stop going around thinking that they are a cut above the rest and "holy men and women of the cloth." We can all minister to others everyday as human beings. We should all start our own non profit churches and become tax exempt. Just one click of the button on the Internet at the original Universal Life Church website (there are many, go to the original one) and you too can be an ordained minister. There may be some who do want to help and serve others, but they can find many more useful professions to do that. Nursing for the elderly, home health, family counceling, psychology, physical fitness, alternative therapy, the medical profession, home repair, building homes, raising food, etc. But to actually think you know more about God than anyone else and work as a preacher of lies is .... well, a "sin" IMO. That's Jackie T Hunt speaking in this post. She is my alter personality. She likes to rant.   Jackie T. that's me.  |
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now don't get bent.....jmo opinion here....when you say critism is the food of wisdom.....I not only disagree but think that is negative. Maybe it's just the way in which you write it...I don't know....I read and got negative. I wrote that I don't do negative or critism It's just not what life is about for me. Love, understanding, compassion, giving, that is what I am about. Now if you were to write Positive begots postitive then I would say yea yea....but negative anything is just that. I would be that person who would walk into a room and I say I will not stand for negative anything....I would walk away first because I find it an utter waste of time. Again think positive and positive things happen...think from a place of nothing but love and that is all that happens...... And see here we go again.......no matter the context of how you mean it...Hitler...does that name bring positive or negative.... I like this: I shall build a house of love, and care, and concern, and understanding, and compassion, and wisdom, but does not allow any response from others except who agrees with them, and base all hearing on this premise, it seems there is no true indication of anything, but rather soon hearing of only patial words, which would create "illusions" of whether such things as wished to build were indeed as successful..... Don't agree with me that is fine...... And may if more lived by the above paragragh and love, care and compassion what a beautiful world this could be. It's like watching the news...I can know what's going on without watching it over and over and over..... There is a difference between learning and being taught and being taught in a critical or filled with critism way. That is ugly no matter how you look at it. I also train animals but I don't teach with negative or critisism ..I train them out of love and respect and they want to please me and be part of my world...But trust me take that same animal and do it in a negative nasty way and that is exactly what kind of animal you will have. Also with my children never is negative or can't part of this household. Definition of negative: expressing or containing negation or denial: a negative reply to my request. lacking positive attributes (opposed to positive): a dull, lifeless, negative character. lacking in constructiveness, helpfulness, optimism, cooperativeness, or the like: a man of negative viewpoint. I am sorry but this is no way to live or regard anything in life. Constant unconditional praise, adulation, agreement and support can, in many cases, weaken one's defenses to the "real" world when not balanced with what all people contain (part negative & part positive). So much so that one slip into a life of complete denial, expecting all to agree and co-sign... OR ELSE. Then one begins to equate love with agreement... "If you loved me, you'd agree (no matter what)... and since you disagree, you don't". This is how a child thinks... I know - I've been there. It's a painful, but necessary shift when someone finally comes along and loves enough to speak their own truth... no matter how it will be received. Are you new.....why the heck would anyone want to live in a negative...there is enough of that all around us. Again please try and understand this. I am a positive person this doesn't mean that negative or "bad" things don't happen..They do on a daily basis...you deal and they then become part of your past. But the constant negative that are in this threads is so mudane that it really makes me almost want to hurl. No one has to agree with anything but it also imo to come in and take something and make it now so dreary is just patetic. When I wrote this thread the first sentence was how others perceive Christians.......The second sentence was how we perceive ourselves and since that is the case to enjoy the dance. Now it turned all negative and once again the whole fun of the thread is lost on all the negative nelly's..... Speak your own truths as I do..then let people take away from it as they wish....I am all for that..... No one said anything about "constant" negative. This was your interpretation, Feral. I would venture to say that the "constant" focusing on only positive may indicate a fear of one's own denied negative. This poster has no wish to live in "mundane" negativity. It has simply been experienced that running from one's own negative creates FAR more negativity and a life way out of balance. We ALL contain both sides of the coin... Until one stops running, admits the negative and takes full responsibility, one can not truly be free (kind of like how confession works). Until this moment is passed thru, more negativity builds like a clogged artery. Does prefacing your post with, this poster being "new" suggest that what has been shared is any less valid? lol lol lol I am sorry and get to know me more and you will see how soooooo unture that is. How can someone fear ones owned negative. I am a POSITIVE PERSON PERIOD. I don't deny the negative I just don't let it in. So hmmmm you think to yourself what does that do? It makes all those around me more positive........and this is solid because I hear it all the time. OMG you hysterical I can't even believe your ramblings that for some warped reason you could ever think negative is ever a good or positive thing....it is sooooooo not. If you don't let negative in.....then it can't do jack diddly now can it. It's not that what you say is any less valid it's just imo of course......giggle....stupid. |
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not comparing creation with evolution, merely said that I dont see any of the in betweens of evolution, if I look at a fossil of a snail and go outside and find one, they look the same. There would have to be an ongoing thing with examples of all these stages that we could see today, I don't see all these stages and since it has supposedly went on for so long there would be even more of these stages that we could see. just think you would be able to see the in betweens. Anyone can believe Darwin if they want to i just dont. Maybe you have not looked hard enough . . . . Have you really studied evolution, I really dig what you have written on these forums Sharpshooter, I have found respect for your views. It would thrill me to no end to know that you cared enough to look at what has been discovered. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 There are SOOO many transitional fossils that we have a hard time arranging them. Nature is SOOO prolific that its staggering the sum total of transitional forms. You, and I are both transitional as well. We are a transitional form from our parents to our children. Each little change adds up. We did not evolve from monkeys either. We evolved from a now extinct species. When that species and the mutant offspring that became us became separated the genes started to evolve in different directions because the 2 offshoots where no longer interbreeding. When they became different enough to not be compatible for breeding that is when we define a different species. Its not magic, its all around us. Look at dogs . . . . Here is the transitional fossil link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 And here is how evolution works. I find it to be everything that is needed to explain my existence and it makes more sense then magic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY&feature=PlayList&p=019F146277A3EDFD&index=0&playnext=1 I dont think Billy was saying that. You had posed the question about transitional fossils and he gave you some resources to investigate if you wanted to. No one is forcing anything on anybody that I saw here.
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not comparing creation with evolution, merely said that I dont see any of the in betweens of evolution, if I look at a fossil of a snail and go outside and find one, they look the same. There would have to be an ongoing thing with examples of all these stages that we could see today, I don't see all these stages and since it has supposedly went on for so long there would be even more of these stages that we could see. just think you would be able to see the in betweens. Anyone can believe Darwin if they want to i just dont. Maybe you have not looked hard enough . . . . Have you really studied evolution, I really dig what you have written on these forums Sharpshooter, I have found respect for your views. It would thrill me to no end to know that you cared enough to look at what has been discovered. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 There are SOOO many transitional fossils that we have a hard time arranging them. Nature is SOOO prolific that its staggering the sum total of transitional forms. You, and I are both transitional as well. We are a transitional form from our parents to our children. Each little change adds up. We did not evolve from monkeys either. We evolved from a now extinct species. When that species and the mutant offspring that became us became separated the genes started to evolve in different directions because the 2 offshoots where no longer interbreeding. When they became different enough to not be compatible for breeding that is when we define a different species. Its not magic, its all around us. Look at dogs . . . . Here is the transitional fossil link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 And here is how evolution works. I find it to be everything that is needed to explain my existence and it makes more sense then magic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY&feature=PlayList&p=019F146277A3EDFD&index=0&playnext=1 I dont think Billy was saying that. You had posed the question about transitional fossils and he gave you some resources to investigate if you wanted to. No one is forcing anything on anybody that I saw here. Evolutionary theory is a very take it or leave it premise. Everyone is welcome to do whatever they will with it. Its not a religion. It doesn't demand any adherence or staunch, unwavering acceptance. It simply is what it is.
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not comparing creation with evolution, merely said that I dont see any of the in betweens of evolution, if I look at a fossil of a snail and go outside and find one, they look the same. There would have to be an ongoing thing with examples of all these stages that we could see today, I don't see all these stages and since it has supposedly went on for so long there would be even more of these stages that we could see. just think you would be able to see the in betweens. Anyone can believe Darwin if they want to i just dont. Maybe you have not looked hard enough . . . . Have you really studied evolution, I really dig what you have written on these forums Sharpshooter, I have found respect for your views. It would thrill me to no end to know that you cared enough to look at what has been discovered. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 There are SOOO many transitional fossils that we have a hard time arranging them. Nature is SOOO prolific that its staggering the sum total of transitional forms. You, and I are both transitional as well. We are a transitional form from our parents to our children. Each little change adds up. We did not evolve from monkeys either. We evolved from a now extinct species. When that species and the mutant offspring that became us became separated the genes started to evolve in different directions because the 2 offshoots where no longer interbreeding. When they became different enough to not be compatible for breeding that is when we define a different species. Its not magic, its all around us. Look at dogs . . . . Here is the transitional fossil link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8 And here is how evolution works. I find it to be everything that is needed to explain my existence and it makes more sense then magic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY&feature=PlayList&p=019F146277A3EDFD&index=0&playnext=1 I dont think Billy was saying that. You had posed the question about transitional fossils and he gave you some resources to investigate if you wanted to. No one is forcing anything on anybody that I saw here. this is true.....and for me, myself, and I......creator not evolution...... |
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I just choose for myself to leave it, is that so wrong,
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I just choose for myself to leave it, is that so wrong, No. Who ever said that was wrong? Not I anyway. I resent your attempt at portraying yourself as the victim.
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Sorry double post
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I just choose for myself to leave it, is that so wrong, No. Who ever said that was wrong? Not I anyway. I resent your attempt at portraying yourself as the victim. you should know that, this thing has been going on most of the day |
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I just choose for myself to leave it, is that so wrong, No. Who ever said that was wrong? Not I anyway. I resent your attempt at portraying yourself as the victim. you should know that, this thing has been going on most of the day Well point out who said you MUST accept the theory of evolution then. It wasn't me and it wasn't Billy. You had originally posed the question about transitional fossils and he was nice enough to offer you a couple websites to further explain how this occurred. If it was complete crap, no one would believe it at all and it would not be taught in public schools. So Im not sure who on this thread told you that you have to do anything. |
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now don't get bent.....jmo opinion here....when you say critism is the food of wisdom.....I not only disagree but think that is negative. Maybe it's just the way in which you write it...I don't know....I read and got negative. I wrote that I don't do negative or critism It's just not what life is about for me. Love, understanding, compassion, giving, that is what I am about. Now if you were to write Positive begots postitive then I would say yea yea....but negative anything is just that. I would be that person who would walk into a room and I say I will not stand for negative anything....I would walk away first because I find it an utter waste of time. Again think positive and positive things happen...think from a place of nothing but love and that is all that happens...... And see here we go again.......no matter the context of how you mean it...Hitler...does that name bring positive or negative.... I like this: I shall build a house of love, and care, and concern, and understanding, and compassion, and wisdom, but does not allow any response from others except who agrees with them, and base all hearing on this premise, it seems there is no true indication of anything, but rather soon hearing of only patial words, which would create "illusions" of whether such things as wished to build were indeed as successful..... Don't agree with me that is fine...... And may if more lived by the above paragragh and love, care and compassion what a beautiful world this could be. It's like watching the news...I can know what's going on without watching it over and over and over..... There is a difference between learning and being taught and being taught in a critical or filled with critism way. That is ugly no matter how you look at it. I also train animals but I don't teach with negative or critisism ..I train them out of love and respect and they want to please me and be part of my world...But trust me take that same animal and do it in a negative nasty way and that is exactly what kind of animal you will have. Also with my children never is negative or can't part of this household. Definition of negative: expressing or containing negation or denial: a negative reply to my request. lacking positive attributes (opposed to positive): a dull, lifeless, negative character. lacking in constructiveness, helpfulness, optimism, cooperativeness, or the like: a man of negative viewpoint. I am sorry but this is no way to live or regard anything in life. Constant unconditional praise, adulation, agreement and support can, in many cases, weaken one's defenses to the "real" world when not balanced with what all people contain (part negative & part positive). So much so that one slip into a life of complete denial, expecting all to agree and co-sign... OR ELSE. Then one begins to equate love with agreement... "If you loved me, you'd agree (no matter what)... and since you disagree, you don't". This is how a child thinks... I know - I've been there. It's a painful, but necessary shift when someone finally comes along and loves enough to speak their own truth... no matter how it will be received. Are you new.....why the heck would anyone want to live in a negative...there is enough of that all around us. Again please try and understand this. I am a positive person this doesn't mean that negative or "bad" things don't happen..They do on a daily basis...you deal and they then become part of your past. But the constant negative that are in this threads is so mudane that it really makes me almost want to hurl. No one has to agree with anything but it also imo to come in and take something and make it now so dreary is just patetic. When I wrote this thread the first sentence was how others perceive Christians.......The second sentence was how we perceive ourselves and since that is the case to enjoy the dance. Now it turned all negative and once again the whole fun of the thread is lost on all the negative nelly's..... Speak your own truths as I do..then let people take away from it as they wish....I am all for that..... No one said anything about "constant" negative. This was your interpretation, Feral. I would venture to say that the "constant" focusing on only positive may indicate a fear of one's own denied negative. This poster has no wish to live in "mundane" negativity. It has simply been experienced that running from one's own negative creates FAR more negativity and a life way out of balance. We ALL contain both sides of the coin... Until one stops running, admits the negative and takes full responsibility, one can not truly be free (kind of like how confession works). Until this moment is passed thru, more negativity builds like a clogged artery. Does prefacing your post with, this poster being "new" suggest that what has been shared is any less valid? lol lol lol I am sorry and get to know me more and you will see how soooooo unture that is. How can someone fear ones owned negative. I am a POSITIVE PERSON PERIOD. I don't deny the negative I just don't let it in. So hmmmm you think to yourself what does that do? It makes all those around me more positive........and this is solid because I hear it all the time. OMG you hysterical I can't even believe your ramblings that for some warped reason you could ever think negative is ever a good or positive thing....it is sooooooo not. If you don't let negative in.....then it can't do jack diddly now can it. It's not that what you say is any less valid it's just imo of course......giggle....stupid. your post just declared you don't let negative in, then turn and call anothers perception as stupid......do you not hear your own words teach animals and kids having no negatives in anything, then call others stupid, lol...... are you a patholgical liar dear feral? my daughters are 6 and 11, and have more wisdom than to think any other human percpetion is as stupid........ please dear one...... it is most obvious that the negatives you so wish to keep out, are others that have more wisdom than yourself, and believe and have knowing of things that such limtied perceptions can never see, and indeed the negaitves are coming from within, not from the outside, from thoughts of yourself as most wise, as indicated by all your own words, and you just have no sight, that seeing and believing another is as stupid, is as NEGATIVE, and to perpetuate NEGATIVE, such NEGATIVE as extended to all those whom post any other perception different than yourself, putting them down as if they are stupide or less equal, but then indeed, it is not missed, they are believed to be of less value than yourself in all ways....... stupidity cannot be seen unless anything peer stupidly thru eyes that see oneself as having greater wisdom than all others..... |
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now don't get bent.....jmo opinion here....when you say critism is the food of wisdom.....I not only disagree but think that is negative. Maybe it's just the way in which you write it...I don't know....I read and got negative. I wrote that I don't do negative or critism It's just not what life is about for me. Love, understanding, compassion, giving, that is what I am about. Now if you were to write Positive begots postitive then I would say yea yea....but negative anything is just that. I would be that person who would walk into a room and I say I will not stand for negative anything....I would walk away first because I find it an utter waste of time. Again think positive and positive things happen...think from a place of nothing but love and that is all that happens...... And see here we go again.......no matter the context of how you mean it...Hitler...does that name bring positive or negative.... I like this: I shall build a house of love, and care, and concern, and understanding, and compassion, and wisdom, but does not allow any response from others except who agrees with them, and base all hearing on this premise, it seems there is no true indication of anything, but rather soon hearing of only patial words, which would create "illusions" of whether such things as wished to build were indeed as successful..... Don't agree with me that is fine...... And may if more lived by the above paragragh and love, care and compassion what a beautiful world this could be. It's like watching the news...I can know what's going on without watching it over and over and over..... There is a difference between learning and being taught and being taught in a critical or filled with critism way. That is ugly no matter how you look at it. I also train animals but I don't teach with negative or critisism ..I train them out of love and respect and they want to please me and be part of my world...But trust me take that same animal and do it in a negative nasty way and that is exactly what kind of animal you will have. Also with my children never is negative or can't part of this household. Definition of negative: expressing or containing negation or denial: a negative reply to my request. lacking positive attributes (opposed to positive): a dull, lifeless, negative character. lacking in constructiveness, helpfulness, optimism, cooperativeness, or the like: a man of negative viewpoint. I am sorry but this is no way to live or regard anything in life. Constant unconditional praise, adulation, agreement and support can, in many cases, weaken one's defenses to the "real" world when not balanced with what all people contain (part negative & part positive). So much so that one slip into a life of complete denial, expecting all to agree and co-sign... OR ELSE. Then one begins to equate love with agreement... "If you loved me, you'd agree (no matter what)... and since you disagree, you don't". This is how a child thinks... I know - I've been there. It's a painful, but necessary shift when someone finally comes along and loves enough to speak their own truth... no matter how it will be received. Are you new.....why the heck would anyone want to live in a negative...there is enough of that all around us. Again please try and understand this. I am a positive person this doesn't mean that negative or "bad" things don't happen..They do on a daily basis...you deal and they then become part of your past. But the constant negative that are in this threads is so mudane that it really makes me almost want to hurl. No one has to agree with anything but it also imo to come in and take something and make it now so dreary is just patetic. When I wrote this thread the first sentence was how others perceive Christians.......The second sentence was how we perceive ourselves and since that is the case to enjoy the dance. Now it turned all negative and once again the whole fun of the thread is lost on all the negative nelly's..... Speak your own truths as I do..then let people take away from it as they wish....I am all for that..... No one said anything about "constant" negative. This was your interpretation, Feral. I would venture to say that the "constant" focusing on only positive may indicate a fear of one's own denied negative. This poster has no wish to live in "mundane" negativity. It has simply been experienced that running from one's own negative creates FAR more negativity and a life way out of balance. We ALL contain both sides of the coin... Until one stops running, admits the negative and takes full responsibility, one can not truly be free (kind of like how confession works). Until this moment is passed thru, more negativity builds like a clogged artery. Does prefacing your post with, this poster being "new" suggest that what has been shared is any less valid? lol lol lol I am sorry and get to know me more and you will see how soooooo unture that is. How can someone fear ones owned negative. I am a POSITIVE PERSON PERIOD. I don't deny the negative I just don't let it in. So hmmmm you think to yourself what does that do? It makes all those around me more positive........and this is solid because I hear it all the time. OMG you hysterical I can't even believe your ramblings that for some warped reason you could ever think negative is ever a good or positive thing....it is sooooooo not. If you don't let negative in.....then it can't do jack diddly now can it. It's not that what you say is any less valid it's just imo of course......giggle....stupid. your post just declared you don't let negative in, then turn and call anothers perception as stupid......do you not hear your own words teach animals and kids having no negatives in anything, then call others stupid, lol...... are you a patholgical liar dear feral? my daughters are 6 and 11, and have more wisdom than to think any other human percpetion is as stupid........ please dear one...... it is most obvious that the negatives you so wish to keep out, are others that have more wisdom than yourself, and believe and have knowing of things that such limtied perceptions can never see, and indeed the negaitves are coming from within, not from the outside, from thoughts of yourself as most wise, as indicated by all your own words, and you just have no sight, that seeing and believing another is as stupid, is as NEGATIVE, and to perpetuate NEGATIVE, such NEGATIVE as extended to all those whom post any other perception different than yourself, putting them down as if they are stupide or less equal, but then indeed, it is not missed, they are believed to be of less value than yourself in all ways....... stupidity cannot be seen unless anything peer stupidly thru eyes that see oneself as having greater wisdom than all others..... You are so wrong.......and hey if you want or anyone wants negative in their lives...then I say have fun with it...But to assume that I can't live my life just fine and dandy without adding the negatives is just to me stupid.....I was not referring to her being stupid just imo to let negative in is stupid...and again if you don't like it...oh well to bad it's how I feel...... |
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now don't get bent.....jmo opinion here....when you say critism is the food of wisdom.....I not only disagree but think that is negative. Maybe it's just the way in which you write it...I don't know....I read and got negative. I wrote that I don't do negative or critism It's just not what life is about for me. Love, understanding, compassion, giving, that is what I am about. Now if you were to write Positive begots postitive then I would say yea yea....but negative anything is just that. I would be that person who would walk into a room and I say I will not stand for negative anything....I would walk away first because I find it an utter waste of time. Again think positive and positive things happen...think from a place of nothing but love and that is all that happens...... And see here we go again.......no matter the context of how you mean it...Hitler...does that name bring positive or negative.... I like this: I shall build a house of love, and care, and concern, and understanding, and compassion, and wisdom, but does not allow any response from others except who agrees with them, and base all hearing on this premise, it seems there is no true indication of anything, but rather soon hearing of only patial words, which would create "illusions" of whether such things as wished to build were indeed as successful..... Don't agree with me that is fine...... And may if more lived by the above paragragh and love, care and compassion what a beautiful world this could be. It's like watching the news...I can know what's going on without watching it over and over and over..... There is a difference between learning and being taught and being taught in a critical or filled with critism way. That is ugly no matter how you look at it. I also train animals but I don't teach with negative or critisism ..I train them out of love and respect and they want to please me and be part of my world...But trust me take that same animal and do it in a negative nasty way and that is exactly what kind of animal you will have. Also with my children never is negative or can't part of this household. Definition of negative: expressing or containing negation or denial: a negative reply to my request. lacking positive attributes (opposed to positive): a dull, lifeless, negative character. lacking in constructiveness, helpfulness, optimism, cooperativeness, or the like: a man of negative viewpoint. I am sorry but this is no way to live or regard anything in life. Constant unconditional praise, adulation, agreement and support can, in many cases, weaken one's defenses to the "real" world when not balanced with what all people contain (part negative & part positive). So much so that one slip into a life of complete denial, expecting all to agree and co-sign... OR ELSE. Then one begins to equate love with agreement... "If you loved me, you'd agree (no matter what)... and since you disagree, you don't". This is how a child thinks... I know - I've been there. It's a painful, but necessary shift when someone finally comes along and loves enough to speak their own truth... no matter how it will be received. Are you new.....why the heck would anyone want to live in a negative...there is enough of that all around us. Again please try and understand this. I am a positive person this doesn't mean that negative or "bad" things don't happen..They do on a daily basis...you deal and they then become part of your past. But the constant negative that are in this threads is so mudane that it really makes me almost want to hurl. No one has to agree with anything but it also imo to come in and take something and make it now so dreary is just patetic. When I wrote this thread the first sentence was how others perceive Christians.......The second sentence was how we perceive ourselves and since that is the case to enjoy the dance. Now it turned all negative and once again the whole fun of the thread is lost on all the negative nelly's..... Speak your own truths as I do..then let people take away from it as they wish....I am all for that..... No one said anything about "constant" negative. This was your interpretation, Feral. I would venture to say that the "constant" focusing on only positive may indicate a fear of one's own denied negative. This poster has no wish to live in "mundane" negativity. It has simply been experienced that running from one's own negative creates FAR more negativity and a life way out of balance. We ALL contain both sides of the coin... Until one stops running, admits the negative and takes full responsibility, one can not truly be free (kind of like how confession works). Until this moment is passed thru, more negativity builds like a clogged artery. Does prefacing your post with, this poster being "new" suggest that what has been shared is any less valid? lol lol lol I am sorry and get to know me more and you will see how soooooo unture that is. How can someone fear ones owned negative. I am a POSITIVE PERSON PERIOD. I don't deny the negative I just don't let it in. So hmmmm you think to yourself what does that do? It makes all those around me more positive........and this is solid because I hear it all the time. OMG you hysterical I can't even believe your ramblings that for some warped reason you could ever think negative is ever a good or positive thing....it is sooooooo not. If you don't let negative in.....then it can't do jack diddly now can it. It's not that what you say is any less valid it's just imo of course......giggle....stupid. your post just declared you don't let negative in, then turn and call anothers perception as stupid......do you not hear your own words teach animals and kids having no negatives in anything, then call others stupid, lol...... are you a patholgical liar dear feral? my daughters are 6 and 11, and have more wisdom than to think any other human percpetion is as stupid........ please dear one...... it is most obvious that the negatives you so wish to keep out, are others that have more wisdom than yourself, and believe and have knowing of things that such limtied perceptions can never see, and indeed the negaitves are coming from within, not from the outside, from thoughts of yourself as most wise, as indicated by all your own words, and you just have no sight, that seeing and believing another is as stupid, is as NEGATIVE, and to perpetuate NEGATIVE, such NEGATIVE as extended to all those whom post any other perception different than yourself, putting them down as if they are stupide or less equal, but then indeed, it is not missed, they are believed to be of less value than yourself in all ways....... stupidity cannot be seen unless anything peer stupidly thru eyes that see oneself as having greater wisdom than all others..... You are so wrong.......and hey if you want or anyone wants negative in their lives...then I say have fun with it...But to assume that I can't live my life just fine and dandy without adding the negatives is just to me stupid.....I was not referring to her being stupid just imo to let negative in is stupid...and again if you don't like it...oh well to bad it's how I feel...... Feral...don'tcha know anything girlie?? Pointing out the obvious is now being passed off as being evil...like the wonderful God we believe in. Dontcha know what a tewible person you are??? grrrr.... LOL 
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now don't get bent.....jmo opinion here....when you say critism is the food of wisdom.....I not only disagree but think that is negative. Maybe it's just the way in which you write it...I don't know....I read and got negative. I wrote that I don't do negative or critism It's just not what life is about for me. Love, understanding, compassion, giving, that is what I am about. Now if you were to write Positive begots postitive then I would say yea yea....but negative anything is just that. I would be that person who would walk into a room and I say I will not stand for negative anything....I would walk away first because I find it an utter waste of time. Again think positive and positive things happen...think from a place of nothing but love and that is all that happens...... And see here we go again.......no matter the context of how you mean it...Hitler...does that name bring positive or negative.... I like this: I shall build a house of love, and care, and concern, and understanding, and compassion, and wisdom, but does not allow any response from others except who agrees with them, and base all hearing on this premise, it seems there is no true indication of anything, but rather soon hearing of only patial words, which would create "illusions" of whether such things as wished to build were indeed as successful..... Don't agree with me that is fine...... And may if more lived by the above paragragh and love, care and compassion what a beautiful world this could be. It's like watching the news...I can know what's going on without watching it over and over and over..... There is a difference between learning and being taught and being taught in a critical or filled with critism way. That is ugly no matter how you look at it. I also train animals but I don't teach with negative or critisism ..I train them out of love and respect and they want to please me and be part of my world...But trust me take that same animal and do it in a negative nasty way and that is exactly what kind of animal you will have. Also with my children never is negative or can't part of this household. Definition of negative: expressing or containing negation or denial: a negative reply to my request. lacking positive attributes (opposed to positive): a dull, lifeless, negative character. lacking in constructiveness, helpfulness, optimism, cooperativeness, or the like: a man of negative viewpoint. I am sorry but this is no way to live or regard anything in life. Constant unconditional praise, adulation, agreement and support can, in many cases, weaken one's defenses to the "real" world when not balanced with what all people contain (part negative & part positive). So much so that one slip into a life of complete denial, expecting all to agree and co-sign... OR ELSE. Then one begins to equate love with agreement... "If you loved me, you'd agree (no matter what)... and since you disagree, you don't". This is how a child thinks... I know - I've been there. It's a painful, but necessary shift when someone finally comes along and loves enough to speak their own truth... no matter how it will be received. Are you new.....why the heck would anyone want to live in a negative...there is enough of that all around us. Again please try and understand this. I am a positive person this doesn't mean that negative or "bad" things don't happen..They do on a daily basis...you deal and they then become part of your past. But the constant negative that are in this threads is so mudane that it really makes me almost want to hurl. No one has to agree with anything but it also imo to come in and take something and make it now so dreary is just patetic. When I wrote this thread the first sentence was how others perceive Christians.......The second sentence was how we perceive ourselves and since that is the case to enjoy the dance. Now it turned all negative and once again the whole fun of the thread is lost on all the negative nelly's..... Speak your own truths as I do..then let people take away from it as they wish....I am all for that..... No one said anything about "constant" negative. This was your interpretation, Feral. I would venture to say that the "constant" focusing on only positive may indicate a fear of one's own denied negative. This poster has no wish to live in "mundane" negativity. It has simply been experienced that running from one's own negative creates FAR more negativity and a life way out of balance. We ALL contain both sides of the coin... Until one stops running, admits the negative and takes full responsibility, one can not truly be free (kind of like how confession works). Until this moment is passed thru, more negativity builds like a clogged artery. Does prefacing your post with, this poster being "new" suggest that what has been shared is any less valid? lol lol lol I am sorry and get to know me more and you will see how soooooo unture that is. How can someone fear ones owned negative. I am a POSITIVE PERSON PERIOD. I don't deny the negative I just don't let it in. So hmmmm you think to yourself what does that do? It makes all those around me more positive........and this is solid because I hear it all the time. OMG you hysterical I can't even believe your ramblings that for some warped reason you could ever think negative is ever a good or positive thing....it is sooooooo not. If you don't let negative in.....then it can't do jack diddly now can it. It's not that what you say is any less valid it's just imo of course......giggle....stupid. your post just declared you don't let negative in, then turn and call anothers perception as stupid......do you not hear your own words teach animals and kids having no negatives in anything, then call others stupid, lol...... are you a patholgical liar dear feral? my daughters are 6 and 11, and have more wisdom than to think any other human percpetion is as stupid........ please dear one...... it is most obvious that the negatives you so wish to keep out, are others that have more wisdom than yourself, and believe and have knowing of things that such limtied perceptions can never see, and indeed the negaitves are coming from within, not from the outside, from thoughts of yourself as most wise, as indicated by all your own words, and you just have no sight, that seeing and believing another is as stupid, is as NEGATIVE, and to perpetuate NEGATIVE, such NEGATIVE as extended to all those whom post any other perception different than yourself, putting them down as if they are stupide or less equal, but then indeed, it is not missed, they are believed to be of less value than yourself in all ways....... stupidity cannot be seen unless anything peer stupidly thru eyes that see oneself as having greater wisdom than all others..... You are so wrong.......and hey if you want or anyone wants negative in their lives...then I say have fun with it...But to assume that I can't live my life just fine and dandy without adding the negatives is just to me stupid.....I was not referring to her being stupid just imo to let negative in is stupid...and again if you don't like it...oh well to bad it's how I feel...... Never did this poster mention anything about "letting negative in". What was shared was taken completely out of context and clumsily inverted to make it appear as though this poster was completely off the mark and "stupid"... Perhaps another attempt to spell out the post's actual meaning. Here goes... Think of it a personal experience... Something is pointed out to you about yourself to which you object VERY strongly (something really hard to hear about yourself). A strong objection is usually a fairly decent indication that there must be some truth to what the person has stated about you... Or else you wouldn't be so moved... If there was no truth to it, you'd probably not react and just shrug it off. So, when this other person points something out to you that is hard to hear and you notice your own strong reaction, you pause... You think to yourself: (Hmmmm... I'm certainly getting fired up about what this guy is saying. Let me step back and look at this. There just may be some truth in what he's saying... Damn!!! There could be... Yes... I DO do this and have been doing this and, although I feel like a piece of poop for doing it, at least I can finally admit it. Now what? I feel stupid, yet relieved. Now I can turn the page.) No longer denying your own "wrong", you can now own what you've been doing, see it's full impact, take total responsibility for your part, correct it and MOVE ON. No more walking around trying to pretend you're perfect, yet feeling deep down like crap because, in your heart you know you've not been. No more lying to yourself... How liberating! 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