Yes, and to read my profile, which is set for a game on here, and not get the facts from the person himself is a bit ignorant, like I said, I could say I worship the Jolly Green Giant on there, it is just a webpage, not the bible. I am not trying to trample anyone'e belief system, nor am I trying to get into a pi$$ing match over who's god is more right. She brought all this upon herself by posting up here in the first place, I was invited to read this thread, and was disgusted by what I saw, that is the only reason why I responded, then she goes off like a child calling that guy lame, how old are we? Name calling died in grammar school I thought. Yes, religion in schools is a touchy subject these days, but come on, the college student being talked about got a 3.9, I have seen people be more than happy to get a 3.0

I have had subjects in school that I didn't agree with as well, but just to appease my instructors, I shut up, did what I was asked, and got on with my life, the only way trouble is started is when someone misunderstands what is being said, and twists what is truly being said so that in their mind it is how it should be. Why did I have to take philosophy before I could go onto my electronics class? I didn't care, as long as I got the classes I wanted and got out of school. I could understand physics, but philosophy?

I mean this with the utmost concern for your feelings Lindy

I live in the heart of Evangelical Country. Billy Grahams retreat, The Cove, is less than 10 miles from my house!
While he is the most respected evangelist preacher, and equally respected among residents of the area, he does not have much of a local following.

There are many reasons for that. One is that, unlike the wealthy believers that pay bucks to come visit and stay in the lush upscale condos he has built just for that purpose, we live here.
Another is, if it were left to the many Evangelist preacher that this areas history is rich in, we would still be isolated from the world.

They fought the railroads and the highway systems which connected us to the rest of the world.
Why, so that they could maintain a domination over the peoples lives and spiritual education.

For an example of this read The Road, a John Ehle’s 1967 novel.

The Christian faith and religion is based immensely off the fact that God gave us free will to do as we chose. You ask a leader of Christ the common question "why does your god not stop violence" and they will tellyou it is because God gave man (teh race not the gender), free will.

So if God gave man freewill, and a Christian stands up and states he is not free because of his belief in God, The he is stating that he doe snot have faith in his religion. Which again, turns him into Judeaus.

He didn't have her to do it. It was for extra credit in a Philosophy class. It was not a requirement, and to understand it you would have to understand what a Philosophy classes intended curriculum is about.
It is usually an elective to begin with, unless you are a Philosophy major! It may be different in other colleges and curriculum though I dont know of any. (maybe psychology) I dont have time to search them all. My major is Electronic Engineering and it is an elective. As is World Religions! Boy, Imagine if she had taken that one!!

Perhaps her poor scores come from bringing a subject into class that is not included in the curriculum at all. Therefore causing a disruption to the classroom.

He didn't have her to do it. It was for extra credit in a Philosophy class. It was not a requirement, and to understand it you would have to understand what a Philosophy classes intended curriculum is about.
It is usually an elective to begin with, unless you are a Philosophy major! It may be different in other colleges and curriculum though I dont know of any. (maybe psychology) I dont have time to search them all. My major is Electronic Engineering and it is an elective. As is World Religions! Boy, Imagine if she had taken that one!!

either way, she went on, said something she didn't mean, and so what if her name was there? You mean to tell me that you have never said anything you didn't mean? Here's an example, The Moon is plaid. We all know it is not, but I posted it here on the internet, now some stupid schmuck is going to come here and see what I said and call me a jackass because I called it the wrong color.

My College handbook says,
Philosophy, PHI210;
This course introduces fundamental philosophical issues through an historical perspective. Emphasis is placed on such figures as Plato, Aristotle, Lao-Tzu, Confucius, Augustine, Aquinas, Descartes, Locke, Kant, Wollstonecraft, Nietsche, and Sartre. Upon completion, students should be able to identify and distinguish among the key positions of thePhilosophers studied. This course has been approved to satisfy the Comprehensive Articulation Agreement general education core requirement in humanities/fine arts.


Funny, I dont see the teachings of the bible listed there. Do you?

Perhaps her poor scores come from bringing a subject into class that is not included in the curriculum at all. Therefore causing a disruption to the classroom.

the following statement on the course’s online message board:

Not the internet as you think. Not as we are typing now.
An online message board is far more restricted to a particular college campus and requires a signing in using your student ID. It is generally part of a moodle or blackboard study program.

Matthew 10:33
"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven."

Daniel, you are so very right! Thank God for your knowledge and understanding. Yes, God has given each and everyone of us a 'free will' He allows us to either accept Him or reject Him, He will not force Himself on anyone.

This is exactly why that professor did what he did - he knew he would be making people DENY Christ. What a VICIOUS VIPER that professor is.

And, everyone on here who thinks it was not such a bad thing to make the student do - sign a paper denying their faith in God- they quite obviously were totally fooled by this professor, because they are NOT Christians. If they were, they would have been able to see from the get go what that professor was really up to.

Lindyy

I don't sit with a bible by my computer, and I never saw the purpose of becoming a "chapter verse quoter." (actually that falls under vanity) But if I do recall correctly, and I should look this up, Christ warned all his disciples (that means you and me brothers and sisters) that we will be persecuted for our beliefs. That applies to all times and we as Christians should expect it. The day it stops, you might want to start wondering if you missed the rapture.

That's just it, this proffessor intentionally did what he did in a way as to try and make it as ambiguos as possible so he could get away with it.

As you said your intro to phil description stated what it did. It did nto even once mention that you had to ccept as truth or fact that yuor own personal beliefs could be wrong. And you do not have to have the belief that you MIGHT be wrong in order to study different (wether they are historical or not) beliefs and religious structures.
I love the study of different religions as it teaches me more about the people that follow them. However nothing will change my belief that what I believe is correct. BUT, I will not sit there and dictate to you that just because I feel I am right , means you are wrong either. Which is exactly what this professor did. He based his grading off the fact that he felt her refusal to agree that he might be right was against his own belief structure, and thus tried to punish her for it.

That professor was attempting to get people to open their minds enough to engage in conversation. Philosophy is about ideas.

If you (any person) don't want to open your mind, that is your choice, but like he says you are "determined."

That is a nice way to say that you (any person) are closed minded and stubborn, but nevertheless it is true of some people.

If you (any person) are not willing to consider the possibilities you are closed off from ideas and this is what being closed minded means. Now you have taken a position and you won't budge and you are not able to have a conversation. All you will have are arguments.

Although I don't like the way some College's are teaching, I understand what the professor was doing.

But that student was just angry about not getting the extra points. She is in the competitive mind set, competing for grade points. She could have bowed out gracefully and passed the course and continued moving forward with her life.

A few extra points on her grade is a small price to pay for staying true to her lord and savior who died on the cross in agony for her, but she acted like a spoiled brat because she wanted the extra points and was greedy and jealous and envious of the other students who got the extra grade points.

I am not saying that what the professor did was right or wrong but in a philosophy class you cannot have an intelligent conversation at all if you have students who will not consider any opinion but their own as having any merit.

All you would get is argument and class disruption.

But having said all of this, I think you should know that this is NOT "persecution" by a long shot.

It is all about a competitive student who was jealous of a few extra point she could not get because she failed to realize that she has blocked herself off from communication because she insists she is right, won't even consider anything else, and she thinks she would be denying her faith to even consider any another point of view for the sake of a conversation.

I consider other points of view all the time and it does not effect what I choose to believe it only improves my knowledge of what is truth.

I do think that a philosophy class that conflicts with religious view should probably not be a required class, but nevertheless, she could have still passed the class and at the same time remained stubborn (true) in her faith.

JB