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Topic: Christian Persecution - an aggresive cancer growing rampantl
Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Fri 05/09/08 03:31 PM
Gina was posed with the difficult choice of either violating her religious beliefs by publicly declaring, “I am Gina. I am not free because I am determined” or being penalized by failing to receive extra points like her classmates. Although most or all of the rest of the class made the required statement and took the points, Gina chose to adhere to her faith because she could not, in good conscience, make that statement. This was extra credit, and Gina made a choice. She was not penalized, as the story insinuates. She made a free choice, not forced, no points deducted, she just did not receive the bonus points. Not receiving bonus points is not a penalty! If she truly stood by her convictions then this would not even be a question. Sounds to me like she is trying to force her beliefs on the school and the professor.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/09/08 03:33 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 05/09/08 03:34 PM
Philosophy is Philosophy. It is not religion. The professor can have any opinion he wants, but I don't think he should be empowered to grade a person for where they are in their personal belief system. That is not a study of philosophy, that is indoctrination. JB

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Fri 05/09/08 03:36 PM
Perhaps Gina should have went back to the dorm, said ten hail marys, and prayed for bonus points to be delivered!! Thats what a good Catholic would have done!!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/09/08 03:37 PM
Gina was posed with the difficult choice of either violating her religious beliefs by publicly declaring, “I am Gina. I am not free because I am determined” or being penalized by failing to receive extra points like her classmates. Although most or all of the rest of the class made the required statement and took the points, Gina chose to adhere to her faith because she could not, in good conscience, make that statement. This was extra credit, and Gina made a choice. She was not penalized, as the story insinuates. She made a free choice, not forced, no points deducted, she just did not receive the bonus points. Not receiving bonus points is not a penalty! If she truly stood by her convictions then this would not even be a question. Sounds to me like she is trying to force her beliefs on the school and the professor. Then if she was not penalized she had nothing to complain about. If she is trying to force her beliefs on the school she is in the wrong. Maybe she should have asked if there was anything else she might do for extra points if she wanted extra points. Like clean the black board or something. JB

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Fri 05/09/08 03:39 PM
Philosophy is Philosophy. It is not religion. The professor can have any opinion he wants, but I don't think he should be empowered to grade a person for where they are in their personal belief system. That is not a study of philosophy, that is indoctrination. JB Bonus points are just that JB- BONUS POINTS! He didnt have to offer them at all, and the participation or not isnt counted against a students overall grade. They can only help, not hurt a student!

kidatheart70 Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 6234	Fri 05/09/08 03:40 PM
If some people want religion forcefully mixed in with government and educational institutions, move to Saudi Arabia.

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Fri 05/09/08 03:40 PM
Gina was posed with the difficult choice of either violating her religious beliefs by publicly declaring, “I am Gina. I am not free because I am determined” or being penalized by failing to receive extra points like her classmates. Although most or all of the rest of the class made the required statement and took the points, Gina chose to adhere to her faith because she could not, in good conscience, make that statement. This was extra credit, and Gina made a choice. She was not penalized, as the story insinuates. She made a free choice, not forced, no points deducted, she just did not receive the bonus points. Not receiving bonus points is not a penalty! If she truly stood by her convictions then this would not even be a question. Sounds to me like she is trying to force her beliefs on the school and the professor. Then if she was not penalized she had nothing to complain about. If she is trying to force her beliefs on the school she is in the wrong. Maybe she should have asked if there was anything else she might do for extra points if she wanted extra points. Like clean the black board or something. JB

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/09/08 03:41 PM
Christian Persecution - an aggresive cancer growing rampant I would like to object to the title of this thread. First you spelled aggressive wrong. Second, it is an exaggerated statement. When I see Christians being rounded up and having their heads chopped off then I will agree to someone making a statement like this. You are simply stirring up trouble. JB

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Fri 05/09/08 03:43 PM
And its in the wrong forum.........

franshade Joined Tue 07/24/07 Posts: 24704	Fri 05/09/08 03:44 PM
And its in the wrong forum.........

devilwasanangel2 Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 77	Fri 05/09/08 03:52 PM
Such are the winds of change and advancement. That was a horribly biased story. Makes me wonder how much it has been changed? http://www.aclj.org/ No story, sir, lawsuit in the makings. Whoever you are, go to the ACLJ site and prove what an uneducated person you are. This is a case that the ACLJ is handling; believe me, that tremendous 'constitutional rights' firm does not take anything unless it is thoroughly investigated. And, why do I have the feeling you will never go to the site as you do not want to hear the truth or have it exposed to the citizens of this country. Sorry, it is being exposed, TV, radio, newspapers. Sorry Charlie. Lindyy Truth, the whole "religion" thing is based on fables. Not one shred of evidence exist to prove he does or doesn't exist. Wake up, and just how chistian is it to have a pic like the one you have? Put 'em away grandma and stop trying to make it seem like your way is the only way. Everyone does not have the deeply rooted beliefs that you do. Some of us are actually free thinkers!

cutelildevilsmom Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 8862	Fri 05/09/08 03:53 PM
okay now lets discuss" when is it wrong to show cleavage?"

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Fri 05/09/08 03:55 PM
And its in the wrong forum......... I really dont mind though... Im going to convert Lindy one day...

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/09/08 03:55 PM
okay now lets discuss" when is it wrong to show cleavage?" In Sunday school?

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Fri 05/09/08 03:56 PM Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 05/09/08 03:57 PM
My goal is to make her an Independent voter, and a Catholic!!!

devilwasanangel2 Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 77	Fri 05/09/08 03:57 PM
It's not. Its just that it looks strange next to the wording of the posts and scriptures.

franshade Joined Tue 07/24/07 Posts: 24704	Fri 05/09/08 03:57 PM
And its in the wrong forum......... I really dont mind though... Im going to convert Lindy one day... want me to get the hose ready?

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Fri 05/09/08 03:58 PM
And its in the wrong forum......... I really dont mind though... Im going to convert Lindy one day... want me to get the hose ready? ROFLMAO,,, over, and over, and over...

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Fri 05/09/08 03:59 PM
My goal is to make her an Independent voter, and a Catholic!!!

franshade Joined Tue 07/24/07 Posts: 24704	Fri 05/09/08 03:59 PM Edited by franshade on Fri 05/09/08 03:59 PM
And its in the wrong forum......... I really dont mind though... Im going to convert Lindy one day... want me to get the hose ready? ROFLMAO,,, over, and over, and over... *ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*