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And its in the wrong forum.........  not the wrong forum bro... This was specifically about a current legal proceeding taking place. *I am responding as I read through the whole post, lol so please no one think I am singling anyone out, or ignoring others posts if it has been posted already. I just havebnt got to it yet. |
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I am not telling anyone how to think, but to slow down and look at both sides of the story, without the blinders of religion on. You keep repeating the same old line again and again, you remind me of my parrot. And now I can understand, it is called 'spiritual warfare' as your profile states you are an athiest. No wonder you get so 'testy' over my posts. I had the feeling you were agnostic or athiest. So, I viewed your profile. Sir, I will never deny my Lord and Saviour NEVER EVER. I stay the course. Lindyy PTL  |
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And its in the wrong forum......... not the wrong forum bro... This was specifically about a current legal proceeding taking place. *I am responding as I read through the whole post, lol so please no one think I am singling anyone out, or ignoring others posts if it has been posted already. I just havebnt got to it yet. OMG! Someone ACTULLY UNDERSTANDS what my thread is all about! TY. Lindyy
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I am not telling anyone how to think, but to slow down and look at both sides of the story, without the blinders of religion on. You keep repeating the same old line again and again, you remind me of my parrot. And now I can understand, it is called 'spiritual warfare' as your profile states you are an athiest. No wonder you get so 'testy' over my posts. I had the feeling you were agnostic or athiest. So, I viewed your profile. Sir, I will never deny my Lord and Saviour NEVER EVER. I stay the course. Lindyy PTL if you didn't read my profile, you would have seen that I am a gamer, and it is how it is for my game, why don't you come and see the cross I have inked into my fleash, would an athiest really put that there? I am not asking anyone to renounce thier god. I was born into a highly religious family, in a highly religious nation, then I moved to these United States where I became a citizen, and even fought to protect your beloved First ammendment, while serving in the U.S. Army. maybe you could stop and think, this is a freaking website where people can post whatever they want whenever they want, after all, this is a free country is it not? |
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Following the aforementioned case I have found that shortly after the members tried to gain accountability to the churches financial records,
Rev. Sutton and the deacons of Two Rivers asked the congregation to remove the plaintiffs, labeling their lawsuit and other actions unbiblical. The dissidents should be kicked out of the church because their "deliberate and sinful actions … damaged the church's witness and welfare," the deacons wrote in an April 23 letter to the congregation. These are the kind of people the ACJL represent. God Bless Pat Robertson! 
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 05/10/08 12:37 AM
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And here I was going to write him in Pat Robertson for President...
I figured after watching him heal people on the 700 Club one day, what better way to get Universal Health Care than to have him as President!!! 
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Bump If I might add a suggestion, it would be that unlike this young woman (an assumption for I wasnt there) Lindy should learn to not bring her faith on an open forum to be discussed and debated openly. There are many religions amongst posters here, and to freely discuss your own, and on top of that, to use them in political debates (constantly), she should expect disagreements. If she is unable to handle that then maybe she should change her tactics, or not wear her feelings on her sleeve. Just a suggestion.... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 05/10/08 12:46 AM
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The girl would have passed the class with or without the extra points.
So her complaint had nothing to do with being asked make a statement she did not believe in. Nobody forced her to do that. She did not have to make that statement to pass the class. She is just being a cry baby because she did not get those extra points. She should have been proud to sacrifice a few extra points for remaining true to her beliefs. Is that too much to ask of her, considering what her savior did for her on the cross? But noooo, she wants to make a federal case out of a view grade points, just to make noise. JB |
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I would think if you are at college ,you would be open to listening to other points of view .doesn't mean you have to agree with them.If the student wanted to hear one point of view she should have gone to Oral roberts University or something.Philosophy is about all points of view not just one religion.Besides the article sounds bias. She was required by the school to take that philospohy class inorder to graduate. So she was being required to listen to something that went against her belief, and she was being told she had to "conform" (lack of a better word) to that teachers particular belief in order to pass. I am sure if it was nto a required course, she would not have taken it. Yeah and Math is a required course for me in school. you better believe if I wasn't forced to take it I wouldn't. But I have to sit there like everyone else and be forced into solving formulas and equations I don't agree with. Or how about the Earth Science course they are making me take. I am going to sit there, suck it up, and get through it. |
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Yes, and to read my profile, which is set for a game on here, and not get the facts from the person himself is a bit ignorant, like I said, I could say I worship the Jolly Green Giant on there, it is just a webpage, not the bible. I am not trying to trample anyone'e belief system, nor am I trying to get into a pi$$ing match over who's god is more right. She brought all this upon herself by posting up here in the first place, I was invited to read this thread, and was disgusted by what I saw, that is the only reason why I responded, then she goes off like a child calling that guy lame, how old are we? Name calling died in grammar school I thought. Yes, religion in schools is a touchy subject these days, but come on, the college student being talked about got a 3.9, I have seen people be more than happy to get a 3.0
I have had subjects in school that I didn't agree with as well, but just to appease my instructors, I shut up, did what I was asked, and got on with my life, the only way trouble is started is when someone misunderstands what is being said, and twists what is truly being said so that in their mind it is how it should be. Why did I have to take philosophy before I could go onto my electronics class? I didn't care, as long as I got the classes I wanted and got out of school. I could understand physics, but philosophy? |
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Lame, Lame, Lame, And, talk about taking out of context!!!! Wrong, wrong, wrong. NO ONE, NO ONE has the right to have to admit to anything that one does NOT believe in. Your way of thinking sounds a bit dictatorial. You simply cannot stand the fact that I will NEVER change my stance on Christianity. Plain and simple. Lindyy You keep proclaiming that you will NEVER change your stance and yet I have not seen one person suggest to you that you should. I think they are only suggesting that you drop your defensive posture in order to have a discussion. Nobody has asked you to change your belief. You have such an enormous defensive wall around you, I have to think that underneath that wall you are very easily persuaded and you fear someone will get past that wall and convince you to dance with Satan and his demons. That's what it looks like to me. JB |
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The girl would have passed the class with or without the extra points. So her complaint had nothing to do with being asked make a statement she did not believe in. Nobody forced her to do that. She did not have to make that statement to pass the class. She is just being a cry baby because she did not get those extra points. She should have been proud to sacrifice a few extra points for remaining true to her beliefs. Is that too much to ask of her, considering what her savior did for her on the cross? But noooo, she wants to make a federal case out of a view grade points, just to make noise. JB If the philosophy professor had chosen some other approach than to require students to make a decleration that would blatanlty go against one of hte largest recognized religions int he world in order to gain these few points, then there would have been no problem. But Gina had the right ti a fair chance at receiving the same extra credit as everyone else. And by requiring her to make a statement against her faith in order to receive them, her religious rights were violated. |
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(quote) but neither earth science, nor math class is going to have a proffessor stand up and order you to publicly declare your personal faith to be wrong. A philosophy class shouldnt have this either, but it is a sad fact that a lot of philosophy profesors DO try and sue their position to force others to go against their faith (not just christianity).
I agree, but like I said before, sometimes you have to do things you don't necessarily belive in to get ahead in life. That kid could have just said ok, my god is wrong, just to appease the teacher without making a big stink about it, knowing in her heart that her god was right. |
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I would think if you are at college ,you would be open to listening to other points of view .doesn't mean you have to agree with them.If the student wanted to hear one point of view she should have gone to Oral roberts University or something.Philosophy is about all points of view not just one religion.Besides the article sounds bias. She was required by the school to take that philospohy class inorder to graduate. So she was being required to listen to something that went against her belief, and she was being told she had to "conform" (lack of a better word) to that teachers particular belief in order to pass. I am sure if it was nto a required course, she would not have taken it. Yeah and Math is a required course for me in school. you better believe if I wasn't forced to take it I wouldn't. But I have to sit there like everyone else and be forced into solving formulas and equations I don't agree with. Or how about the Earth Science course they are making me take. I am going to sit there, suck it up, and get through it. Yeah, I get that, but the other thing is people are twisting the words. He never said you have to declare you are not religious or go against your faith. the comment that needed to be made is, I am ____________ I am not free, because I am determined. No where does that imply to me he is making a religious implication. (Granted I wasn't in the class so I don't know if there was more to it but I don't think any of us were there.) Although that statement can cover other topics than just religion. The other issue is that I was trying to make is yes, what he did was underhanded. I am sure he was trying to do something he wasn't supposed to do. Although is a lawsuit really necessary. We in America fall onto lawsuits for everything nowadays. I could have a teacher come to me and say if you write on a public message board. I am Dennis and I am an inbred moron with twelve toes and they will give me a 100 on the last test I took. You better believe I will be making that post. Does it make it true? No, Do I really have to believe it? No Does it really put me in a position on questioning my moral code and what I know? No. Does it ultimately benefit me. You better believe it. I don't know. I just get mad at all the lawsuits filed over issues that really don't need to be as dramatic as people try to make them. |
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The girl would have passed the class with or without the extra points. So her complaint had nothing to do with being asked make a statement she did not believe in. Nobody forced her to do that. She did not have to make that statement to pass the class. She is just being a cry baby because she did not get those extra points. She should have been proud to sacrifice a few extra points for remaining true to her beliefs. Is that too much to ask of her, considering what her savior did for her on the cross? But noooo, she wants to make a federal case out of a view grade points, just to make noise. JB If the philosophy professor had chosen some other approach than to require students to make a decleration that would blatanlty go against one of hte largest recognized religions int he world in order to gain these few points, then there would have been no problem. But Gina had the right ti a fair chance at receiving the same extra credit as everyone else. And by requiring her to make a statement against her faith in order to receive them, her religious rights were violated. See thats the other thing too. No where did he say he is singling out Christianity or that he was trying to go against the largest recognized religion in the world. The same offer was made to every student in the class and I don't believe that every student in the class was Christian. People are also overlooking that fact. This was not a Christian based offense. People are just choosing to look at it that way because it sounds better when filing a lawsuit. |
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Yes, and to read my profile, which is set for a game on here, and not get the facts from the person himself is a bit ignorant, like I said, I could say I worship the Jolly Green Giant on there, it is just a webpage, not the bible. I am not trying to trample anyone'e belief system, nor am I trying to get into a pi$$ing match over who's god is more right. She brought all this upon herself by posting up here in the first place, I was invited to read this thread, and was disgusted by what I saw, that is the only reason why I responded, then she goes off like a child calling that guy lame, how old are we? Name calling died in grammar school I thought. Yes, religion in schools is a touchy subject these days, but come on, the college student being talked about got a 3.9, I have seen people be more than happy to get a 3.0 I have had subjects in school that I didn't agree with as well, but just to appease my instructors, I shut up, did what I was asked, and got on with my life, the only way trouble is started is when someone misunderstands what is being said, and twists what is truly being said so that in their mind it is how it should be. Why did I have to take philosophy before I could go onto my electronics class? I didn't care, as long as I got the classes I wanted and got out of school. I could understand physics, but philosophy? Amen!
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 05/10/08 01:10 AM
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I mean this with the utmost concern for your feelings Lindy
I live in the heart of Evangelical Country. Billy Grahams retreat, The Cove, is less than 10 miles from my house! While he is the most respected evangelist preacher, and equally respected among residents of the area, he does not have much of a local following. There are many reasons for that. One is that, unlike the wealthy believers that pay bucks to come visit and stay in the lush upscale condos he has built just for that purpose, we live here. Another is, if it were left to the many Evangelist preacher that this areas history is rich in, we would still be isolated from the world. They fought the railroads and the highway systems which connected us to the rest of the world. Why, so that they could maintain a domination over the peoples lives and spiritual education. For an example of this read The Road, a John Ehle’s 1967 novel. |
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(quote) but neither earth science, nor math class is going to have a proffessor stand up and order you to publicly declare your personal faith to be wrong. A philosophy class shouldnt have this either, but it is a sad fact that a lot of philosophy profesors DO try and sue their position to force others to go against their faith (not just christianity). I agree, but like I said before, sometimes you have to do things you don't necessarily belive in to get ahead in life. That kid could have just said ok, my god is wrong, just to appease the teacher without making a big stink about it, knowing in her heart that her god was right. ok let me ask you this. And it is based along the same belief you just suggested of going with the flow in order to get ahead... you are walking down the street whena man approachesd you and offers one million dollars in whatever currency you want, if you will go on the tv news and declare that you cheated onyour college exams, and thus did nto earn your degree. By what you just said, it would be advantageous for you, and foolish not to, if went ahead and made that decleration. I mean, with a million dolars, you could immediately invest it, and live off hte earnigs for the rest of your life. Would you do it? This proffessor required his student to go public and denounce her god and her belief system in order to get ahead. he literally asked he to become Judeaus (who if you know the Christian history, was the disciple of Christ who decried Christ in order toprotect himself (most definitely advantageous for himself at the time), and to save his life. If you were asked to do something just as morally reprehensable (sp?), I highly doubt you would agree to it either. |
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Yeah, I get that, but the other thing is people are twisting the words. He never said you have to declare you are not religious or go against your faith. the comment that needed to be made is, I am ____________ I am not free, because I am determined. No where does that imply to me he is making a religious implication The Christian faith and religion is based immensely off the fact that God gave us free will to do as we chose. You ask a leader of Christ the common question "why does your god not stop violence" and they will tellyou it is because God gave man (teh race not the gender), free will. So if God gave man freewill, and a Christian stands up and states he is not free because of his belief in God, The he is stating that he doe snot have faith in his religion. Which again, turns him into Judeaus. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 05/10/08 01:38 AM
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That wasn't what was asked of her!
In reality, nothing was asked of her. The assignment, I am ____________ I am not free, because I am determined. Has no religious implications at all, and was not a required assignment! By the way, in College the difference between say a 64 and a 100 on any grade is a major difference which could have an impact upon passing or failing for some students. In my College, you can not proceed on to your next classes with anything less than a C. The only time a D is accepted is if it is in your last semester. |
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