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Topic: Christian Persecution - an aggresive cancer growing rampantl
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Sun 05/11/08 06:38 PM
Edited by WolfSoul on Sun 05/11/08 06:40 PM



if she had to "entertain the idea that God does not exist, to be fair the professor has to entertain the idea that God does exist"


I'm sure he did. After all, that is what philosophy is all about isn't it?

JB


Philosophy is notr about entertaining any belief structure. it is about the study (or teaching/learning) of different cultures and their beliefs.


Compact Oxford English Dictionary


philosophy

• noun (pl. philosophies) 1 the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence. 2 the theories of a particular philosopher. 3 a theory or attitude that guides one’s behaviour. 4 the study of the theoretical basis of a branch of knowledge or experience.

— ORIGIN Greek philosophia ‘love of wisdom’.


Not cultures and beliefs but ways to think, to see and interpret ideas.
Another branch teaches what you suggest.


Compact Oxford English Dictionary


anthropology

/anthrpollji/

• noun the study of humankind, especially the study of societies and cultures and human origins.

— DERIVATIVES anthropological adjective anthropologist noun.

— ORIGIN from Greek anthropos ‘human being’.


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Sun 05/11/08 06:40 PM
Obviously comprehension is an issue as well.laugh

WolfSoul's photo
Sun 05/11/08 06:41 PM
Education. A process where knowledge is passed on, discussed and studied. Where a person enters with an open mind ready to accept and learn of other possibilities, things not yet known. It requires a teacher willing to pass on knowledge and a student with an open mind. The student requires the open mind to see all facets of the matter being discussed. If a student has a closed mind for whatever reason then there is no passing of knowledge. A teacher it would seem is bound by their very calling to push a student as much as possible to study, discuss, opinionate and then make a decision as to whether this knowledge may harm their own code of ethics, honor and morals.
The teacher in this case gave a question which specified no religion, no honor code, no ethical code. Requesting only to fulfill a statement for extra credit in the course of study. There is no denial of earned credit in the course of study. The student alone decides whether to accept the extra question or refuse, based on their own sense of honor, ethics and morals and knowledge.
There is no discrimination. No prejudice. A simple question to be answered according to each their own mind, knowledge and heart.
I apologize for the length of this.

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Sun 05/11/08 06:50 PM



if she had to "entertain the idea that God does not exist, to be fair the professor has to entertain the idea that God does exist"


I'm sure he did. After all, that is what philosophy is all about isn't it?

JB


Philosophy is notr about entertaining any belief structure. it is about the study (or teaching/learning) of different cultures and their beliefs.


No it is not.

That would be a futile waste of time.

Philosophy is about learning different ways to think.

It is about considering different ways to think.

It is about learning how to THINK.

THINK THINK THINK.

Who gives a crap about learning what other people think if there is nothing to learn from it?

There is nothing to learn from it if you box yourself up into believing only one way... period. And you never want to consider anything else.

You are so wrong about what you think philosophy is about. It is about learning to think.

Therefore if it is what you think it is, then it is an enemy to all Religious doctrine, period. There would be NO POINT in it for any CHRISTIANS OR cult members who are unwilling to THINK.

JB


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Sun 05/11/08 07:10 PM




if she had to "entertain the idea that God does not exist, to be fair the professor has to entertain the idea that God does exist"


I'm sure he did. After all, that is what philosophy is all about isn't it?

JB


Philosophy is notr about entertaining any belief structure. it is about the study (or teaching/learning) of different cultures and their beliefs.


No it is not.

That would be a futile waste of time.

Philosophy is about learning different ways to think.

It is about considering different ways to think.

It is about learning how to THINK.

THINK THINK THINK.

Who gives a crap about learning what other people think if there is nothing to learn from it?

There is nothing to learn from it if you box yourself up into believing only one way... period. And you never want to consider anything else.

You are so wrong about what you think philosophy is about. It is about learning to think.

Therefore if it is what you think it is, then it is an enemy to all Religious doctrine, period. There would be NO POINT in it for any CHRISTIANS OR cult members who are unwilling to THINK.

JB




The idea that you have to be willing to beileve you are wrong, or that you MIGHT be wrong in order to learn sdomething is so much piles of b.s. it isnt even funny.
The idea that philosophy is there to teach you how to think spells brainwashing. Philosophy is not used to teach you how to think. It is there to teach you how OTHERS think. You sit there and tellme that you think the world is flat, columbus fell off the edge, etc (not syayin gyou do, just an example), ok I have learned that yhou think the world is flat, columbus fell off etc. It does not change anything to do with my beliefs or what I think I know. yes you might be ableto convince me otherwise if you had enough proof, no matter how unwilling I am to be proven wrong. BUT that does not mean I am WILLING to be proven wrong, or willing to believe I might be wrong.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:16 PM
i wonder if my making a post will kill this one to


interesting

very interesting

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Sun 05/11/08 07:17 PM

i wonder if my making a post will kill this one to


interesting

very interesting


lmao, nice try adj, but you didnt kill it when you posted earlier, so I doubt you will now :wink:

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Sun 05/11/08 07:17 PM
Edited by WolfSoul on Sun 05/11/08 07:17 PM





if she had to "entertain the idea that God does not exist, to be fair the professor has to entertain the idea that God does exist"


I'm sure he did. After all, that is what philosophy is all about isn't it?

JB


Philosophy is notr about entertaining any belief structure. it is about the study (or teaching/learning) of different cultures and their beliefs.


No it is not.

That would be a futile waste of time.

Philosophy is about learning different ways to think.

It is about considering different ways to think.

It is about learning how to THINK.

THINK THINK THINK.

Who gives a crap about learning what other people think if there is nothing to learn from it?

There is nothing to learn from it if you box yourself up into believing only one way... period. And you never want to consider anything else.

You are so wrong about what you think philosophy is about. It is about learning to think.

Therefore if it is what you think it is, then it is an enemy to all Religious doctrine, period. There would be NO POINT in it for any CHRISTIANS OR cult members who are unwilling to THINK.

JB




The idea that you have to be willing to beileve you are wrong, or that you MIGHT be wrong in order to learn sdomething is so much piles of b.s. it isnt even funny.
The idea that philosophy is there to teach you how to think spells brainwashing. Philosophy is not used to teach you how to think. It is there to teach you how OTHERS think. You sit there and tellme that you think the world is flat, columbus fell off the edge, etc (not syayin gyou do, just an example), ok I have learned that yhou think the world is flat, columbus fell off etc. It does not change anything to do with my beliefs or what I think I know. yes you might be ableto convince me otherwise if you had enough proof, no matter how unwilling I am to be proven wrong. BUT that does not mean I am WILLING to be proven wrong, or willing to believe I might be wrong.


Perhaps you should read the definitions from the Oxford Dictionary that I posted. You are in the wrong about the meaning.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:18 PM

i wonder if my making a post will kill this one to

interesting

very interesting


ya done did it now laugh

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Sun 05/11/08 07:20 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 05/11/08 07:24 PM





if she had to "entertain the idea that God does not exist, to be fair the professor has to entertain the idea that God does exist"


I'm sure he did. After all, that is what philosophy is all about isn't it?

JB


Philosophy is notr about entertaining any belief structure. it is about the study (or teaching/learning) of different cultures and their beliefs.


No it is not.

That would be a futile waste of time.

Philosophy is about learning different ways to think.

It is about considering different ways to think.

It is about learning how to THINK.

THINK THINK THINK.

Who gives a crap about learning what other people think if there is nothing to learn from it?

There is nothing to learn from it if you box yourself up into believing only one way... period. And you never want to consider anything else.

You are so wrong about what you think philosophy is about. It is about learning to think.

Therefore if it is what you think it is, then it is an enemy to all Religious doctrine, period. There would be NO POINT in it for any CHRISTIANS OR cult members who are unwilling to THINK.

JB




The idea that you have to be willing to beileve you are wrong, or that you MIGHT be wrong in order to learn sdomething is so much piles of b.s. it isnt even funny.
The idea that philosophy is there to teach you how to think spells brainwashing. Philosophy is not used to teach you how to think. It is there to teach you how OTHERS think. You sit there and tellme that you think the world is flat, columbus fell off the edge, etc (not syayin gyou do, just an example), ok I have learned that yhou think the world is flat, columbus fell off etc. It does not change anything to do with my beliefs or what I think I know. yes you might be ableto convince me otherwise if you had enough proof, no matter how unwilling I am to be proven wrong. BUT that does not mean I am WILLING to be proven wrong, or willing to believe I might be wrong.


Then if you are a person who thinks they have all the answers and all the truth, what on earth are you doing in College in the first place, particularly in a philosophy class?

The idea that philosophy is there to teach you how to think spells brainwashing.


No, what spells brainwashing is the LIE that if you even consider that you might be WRONG or that if you even consider that your belief might be incorrect, then you will surely go to HELL for eternity spells of brainwashing.

Philosophy is not used to teach you how to think. It is there to teach you how OTHERS think.


What point would there be in that? Especially if you have no intention of considering any possibilities.

Why would I want to know what or how Hitler thought? I wouldn't. Why would I want to know how Charles Manson thought? I wouldn't. He could have been said to have been a great thinker, he was full of it, and he had his own cult that thought he was Christ.

There no point in learning what other philosophers thought, if you are not going to consider what and why they thought it. A useless waste of time. No closed minded Christians should EVER EVER take a class in Philosophy unless they just want to argue how wrong all of those great philosophers are.

That would be the only reason or point, and arguments are just useless when minds are shut tight.

JB






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Sun 05/11/08 07:22 PM


The idea that you have to be willing to beileve you are wrong, or that you MIGHT be wrong in order to learn sdomething is so much piles of b.s. it isnt even funny.


Daniel, that is incorrect, one's mind must be open to different things in order to learn.

everything is open to interpretation, you are supplied information how you interpret it is entirely up to you.

two people can have different opinions/views/interpretations not making one right and one wrong.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:22 PM
Oh I concede the facts between philospohy verses anthopology, and I apologize for mixing the two up. However, the fact still remains that philosophy is NOT about trying to make someone else change their minds or beliefs. It is about teaching them what everyone else (or at a few others, lol) think in comparison to themselves. It is about discussing the differances between, say christianity and buddhism. however it is NOT about trying to copnvert a christian to buddhism, or vice verse or any other religion to another. It is simply there to teach a worldl;y perspective.
if the goal of a philosophy class WAS to convert, or change ones way of thinking or belief, then A college could not EVER make it mandatory for graduation, as it would be a conflict against the constitution.

An easy way to say it is, a philosophy class is meant to instruct you about different religions, etc without trying to change your opinion or convert you.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:25 PM

Oh I concede the facts between philospohy verses anthopology, and I apologize for mixing the two up. However, the fact still remains that philosophy is NOT about trying to make someone else change their minds or beliefs. It is about teaching them what everyone else (or at a few others, lol) think in comparison to themselves. It is about discussing the differances between, say christianity and buddhism. however it is NOT about trying to copnvert a christian to buddhism, or vice verse or any other religion to another. It is simply there to teach a worldl;y perspective.
if the goal of a philosophy class WAS to convert, or change ones way of thinking or belief, then A college could not EVER make it mandatory for graduation, as it would be a conflict against the constitution.

An easy way to say it is, a philosophy class is meant to instruct you about different religions, etc without trying to change your opinion or convert you.


Differences in religion would be covered by a course of study in Theology.
Again philosophy teaches to think, to look at ideas and concepts.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:30 PM


Oh I concede the facts between philospohy verses anthopology, and I apologize for mixing the two up. However, the fact still remains that philosophy is NOT about trying to make someone else change their minds or beliefs. It is about teaching them what everyone else (or at a few others, lol) think in comparison to themselves. It is about discussing the differances between, say christianity and buddhism. however it is NOT about trying to copnvert a christian to buddhism, or vice verse or any other religion to another. It is simply there to teach a worldl;y perspective.
if the goal of a philosophy class WAS to convert, or change ones way of thinking or belief, then A college could not EVER make it mandatory for graduation, as it would be a conflict against the constitution.

An easy way to say it is, a philosophy class is meant to instruct you about different religions, etc without trying to change your opinion or convert you.


Differences in religion would be covered by a course of study in Theology.
Again philosophy teaches to think, to look at ideas and concepts.


Yes, exactly what I am trying to say. It is to teach you to think, not trying to change your beliefs.

After you learn to think, you can believe any darn thing you want.

But if you don't learn to think, all you are is brainwashed.

JB

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Sun 05/11/08 07:30 PM



Why would I want to know what or how Hitler thought? I wouldn't. Why would I want to know how Charles Manson thought?


By knowing what and how Hitler thought, seeing you mentioned Hitler, you learn what he is likely to do ina given situation. You learn how he believes and reacts.

Let's say we know as fact that Hitler was deathly afraid of bees, trhat he thought he would go to hell if he got stung by one. You and I both know he would not go to hell simplyby being stung by a bee (wether you believe inhell or not). however, we also know that if we were to release hundreds of bees in his general area, it would be an effective way of making him react first and think later. Maybe even cause him to panic. Or at least more likely to panic than if five soldeirs were seen coming towards his house.

learnign how a personthinks, teaches about the person/group of people themselves. But it does not require for you to be willing to convert over, or to believe you could be wrong. That is why religion is also known as faith.

Faith: to believe something without having any logical or scientific proof to back your belief up.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:33 PM



The idea that you have to be willing to beileve you are wrong, or that you MIGHT be wrong in order to learn sdomething is so much piles of b.s. it isnt even funny.


Daniel, that is incorrect, one's mind must be open to different things in order to learn.

everything is open to interpretation, you are supplied information how you interpret it is entirely up to you.

two people can have different opinions/views/interpretations not making one right and one wrong.


Oh I agree, you and I (as an example) could have two very differing beliefs and interpret thigns comlpetely different. But that doesnt mean yuio are wrong, or that I am right. That is where FAITH comes in, and it is because of the fact that religion is based off of faith (normally), and not scientific logic, that we have freedom of religion. Cause in the end who can say who is right? or who is wrong? But the thing is, if you cant say yeah or nay to either side, then you cant tell another person that they have to be willing to have less faith in their own beliefs.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:34 PM




Why would I want to know what or how Hitler thought? I wouldn't. Why would I want to know how Charles Manson thought?


By knowing what and how Hitler thought, seeing you mentioned Hitler, you learn what he is likely to do ina given situation. You learn how he believes and reacts.

Let's say we know as fact that Hitler was deathly afraid of bees, trhat he thought he would go to hell if he got stung by one. You and I both know he would not go to hell simplyby being stung by a bee (wether you believe inhell or not). however, we also know that if we were to release hundreds of bees in his general area, it would be an effective way of making him react first and think later. Maybe even cause him to panic. Or at least more likely to panic than if five soldeirs were seen coming towards his house.

learnign how a personthinks, teaches about the person/group of people themselves. But it does not require for you to be willing to convert over, or to believe you could be wrong. That is why religion is also known as faith.

Faith: to believe something without having any logical or scientific proof to back your belief up.


That would entail the use of Psychology (Behavior Studies) not philosophy.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:35 PM
One just has to be open in order to receive and attain information is what I'm saying. You dont have to agree but no one was forcing this person into making a choice. The assignment (extra credit) was for making a statement, you either do it or you dont. So many are trying to make it into a religious thread when it was not.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:36 PM




Why would I want to know what or how Hitler thought? I wouldn't. Why would I want to know how Charles Manson thought?


By knowing what and how Hitler thought, seeing you mentioned Hitler, you learn what he is likely to do ina given situation. You learn how he believes and reacts.

Let's say we know as fact that Hitler was deathly afraid of bees, trhat he thought he would go to hell if he got stung by one. You and I both know he would not go to hell simplyby being stung by a bee (wether you believe inhell or not). however, we also know that if we were to release hundreds of bees in his general area, it would be an effective way of making him react first and think later. Maybe even cause him to panic. Or at least more likely to panic than if five soldeirs were seen coming towards his house.

learnign how a personthinks, teaches about the person/group of people themselves. But it does not require for you to be willing to convert over, or to believe you could be wrong. That is why religion is also known as faith.

Faith: to believe something without having any logical or scientific proof to back your belief up.



If you can think, and if you have faith, you should not be so afraid that people might try to convert you over to something else.

People are afraid to consider. They have locked themselves into a box. They doubt their faith. They are afraid of knowledge.

Indeed, they are not free, for they are determined. They just don't want to admit it.

They will forever stay in darkness.

JB

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Sun 05/11/08 07:37 PM


Oh I concede the facts between philospohy verses anthopology, and I apologize for mixing the two up. However, the fact still remains that philosophy is NOT about trying to make someone else change their minds or beliefs. It is about teaching them what everyone else (or at a few others, lol) think in comparison to themselves. It is about discussing the differances between, say christianity and buddhism. however it is NOT about trying to copnvert a christian to buddhism, or vice verse or any other religion to another. It is simply there to teach a worldl;y perspective.
if the goal of a philosophy class WAS to convert, or change ones way of thinking or belief, then A college could not EVER make it mandatory for graduation, as it would be a conflict against the constitution.

An easy way to say it is, a philosophy class is meant to instruct you about different religions, etc without trying to change your opinion or convert you.


Differences in religion would be covered by a course of study in Theology.
Again philosophy teaches to think, to look at ideas and concepts.


To think, discuss and dissect other beliefs, yes. But not to try and convert, or to make someone less faithfull in their own religion If you make it a requirement of graduation, that you take a class in which someone will try and convert or make you less faithful, then you go against a persons right to their freedom of religion.

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