oh spendidy

now you are having hallucinations... please point out where I said that I was above condemnation

and why would I believe that I was above condemnation when in a christian religion forum those that are not Christian has already been condemned

I wouldn't go as far as to say that "MorningSong" means well because she is actually threatening people under the disguise of religion

I'm sometimes comdemn for the things I say in this forum but yet I don't hide behide religion or talking in parables when I say it ..I try to discuss it logically and I take full responsibility for what I said and not place the blame on unseen entities or things written in scriptures or books

Should such a thing happen we would only receive that persons meaning of life...

Our personal meaning of life would still ellude us as each of us has a path which is unique to us...

You may see life vastly different than do I...

Ain't life wonderful...

Why so serious? It was for the Xians who appear to frequently not have a grasp on their own theology.

Ok then, some of you might know this one: a theological discussion about Xianity (if we can let the other b/s aside). How do you answer the following:

Who killed Jesus?

Remember, you can not answer with history, but only theological explanations.

Hint: If no one ever existed in all time, eternity and the whole universe but you and only you, would Jesus have to die?

BTW, I note you did not answer the question posed.

Ok then, some of you might know this one: a theological discussion about Xianity (if we can let the other b/s aside). How do you answer the following:

Who killed Jesus?

Remember, you can not answer with history, but only theological explanations.

Hint: If no one ever existed in all time, eternity and the whole universe but you and only you, would Jesus have to die?

Splendidlife, I don’t think anyone has ever argued that Hitler was indeed anything other than a human. These historical reference points are all we have to go on. I’m sorry if you feel it to be redundant. Otherwise, we have a bunch of speculation and opinion. By investigating these occurrences in history where religion was used in order to commit atrocities, we can then say well when you combine 1+1 you will have two. It’s been demonstrated, evidenced and played out by the recording of these events.

there is good and bad in everything if one person see's something that is good then there is ALWAYS one person who will believe it's bad.
as for my comment about faith that's what the underlining issue is

Let me Simplfy This

What good is a religion where the doctrine can be argued for either "good works" or "evil works" and the interpretations depend entirely on the interpreters being "good people" BEFORE they start interpreting?

It seems like a pretty useless doctrine if a person is required to already be "good" in order to come away from it with "Good Interpretations".

That's the whole point here.

Hope this helps to simply the topic.

I don't know about meaning, but my purpose in life is to feed my cat.

That's all I know.

If your boss had the placed you worked at "blessed" by a priest? If you were not religious or did not follow the same religion as your boss? Would it upset you?

None of the above. It is not my decision to determine who is worthy or "deserves" to go to heaven. If He has put me in the presence of others who are walking in God's will, I am not going to be paying attention to who is holding whose hand or what they call their "faith" - I am just going to be praying for the lost ones who don't get to make the journey with me.

I would have no problem holding anyone's hand. I’m not so sure that feeling would be mutual however.

Besides, I tend to believe in reincarnation anyway. Don’t count on any pleasant and peaceful stays. Not long anyway. You will more than likely soon be catapulted right back into this as a baby.

But, for the sake of this scenario, no problem holding anyone’s hand. Hand holding is sacred and part of many Pagan rituals. We are used to it.

Delaware?

There is a place of peace that allows all humans to enter and enjoy the serenity, happiness, and love that every spirit/god/soul/ghost has enjoyed since the universe was created.

Here is the requirement however,

The only requirement when you die and continue as a soul/spirit/ghost,god,etc. is that you hold hands with the person in front of you and the one who is behind you while walking up the hill to get there.

The line has millions of souls/spirits,ghost/gods/ etc. walking up this hill who have all died approximately at the same time as you have. Give or take a few months let us say.

but wait there is more....

The person who is holding your hand in front of you was a Muslim believer and the one behind you is a Christian believer. The person holding the hand behind the Christian believer is a Buddhist and the one holding hands in front of the Muslim is a Jewish believer. The person who is holding a hand in front of the Jewish believer is a Hindu as the person in front of the Hindu is a Wicca believer.

The line is long with many many belief systems, yet all go to the same location of peace and happiness holding hands going up this hill to a place called safety.

Now my question to you is:

Would you continue to hold the hand of that person who doesn't believe in your belief system and continue to walk up the hill to peace and happiness?

or

Would you let go because you disagree that the person doesn't deserve to go where you go?

or

Would you care less, but acknowledge that we are all brothers and sisters afterall and everyone deserves to go there like you can?

But you do not live in the after life until (duh) AFTER your life is done here. Why wait?

Why not make it a better place here so that the transition to the afterlife is but a comfortable step through the veil.

From what I have seen the point of RELIGION is to control the masses for the benefit of the few...

What does that have to do with the messages of the prophets which mankind has turned into religion?

what "religion" could be founded, less one first said "this is right, and that is wrong"....

is not this the natural inclination of all things born, since all things enter into an environment shaped with this logic?

the word religion hide what religion is?

to say this is good, and that is evil?

of course, naturally this logic will make self as good alwasy, and others the evil?

is not then "right and wrong" the only thing that create "religion", the never ending perpetual circle of no solution?

I don't think so, personally. I am not stuck in any particular belief, so if some idea comes along that would help me in life, I will adopt that idea. When and if it no longer works for me I am open to another.

Religion doesn't appear allow for this. If it does enlighten me.

the greatest issue with the knowing HOW text be true, is the PICTURE it actually paint, as it is so big and so good, if one is not reading it by defining each thing as either a good or evil.....

the same as self, being within the fish tank, cannot with it's mind, ever lift itself OUT of the tank, to look DOWN INTO IT, so all the fish, that are different than self, make it appear as not so good, lol.......

no doubt text has been used to define WHO is good, and who is evil, what is good, and what is evil, when of course, primitive man to modern man, was simply awareness "growing up", or being added to, by living out both "good and bad"?

would not awareness need both "points of reference", as in both doing good and bad?

if awareness, need NOT JUST ONE HALF OF DATA, BUT BOTH SIDES, in all thoughts, words, and actions, lived out, to HAVE A BALANCED AWARENESS?

text only say, when human came here, for more adding, it was without BOTH SIDES, so had pride, which what be pride, BUT SIMPLY THINKING SOMETHING, because of not knowing it in reality, so a "prideful perception", really innocence then?

if one does not like a lie, did not one have to be lied to, then lie itself, feeling all aspects of a lie, not just come notion of lie is bad?

how is not all "human life" as the same?

it is most difficult for the "conscious mind" to know how it would not know, less it had seen the maximum proposed evil, and also the maximum proposed good, then "consciously lived out", CREATING AWARENESS, WHICH IS ALL TEXT IS DESCRIBING, until enough actual doing of these two opposite spectrums?

as if, i am to KNOW, not just be told, what good is, then i must first FEEL the oppossite.....

to know the better of not falling off the bike, to feel the joy of riding, without falling?

but if one is constantly being pumped FEAR, of falling by others, it would be most righteouss, to tell them to shut the hell up, and let me learn, what YOU ALREADY HAD OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN?

stop being a damn control freak, and stealing my JOY OF LEARNING?

and, IF ONE REALLY BELIEVES THE WORDS OF THE POISON OF FEAR, this one now has UNHEALTHY FEAR, AND WILL FAIL MUCH MORE, the more, the more FEAR is ADDED, and religion LOVE to add FEAR?

fundementalism?

bigotry?

distain?

what create HATE?

WHAT MAKE HATE?

WHO CREATE HATE?

all things MOST NOT GOOD, for the purest learning?

it does not really matter IF anything within text is true or not, as this has no bearing on what is real or not real, true or not true?

if it is heard, then seen thru such perception, then text is easily seen to be the same in principle of any parent, putting together a photo album, of a childs life, all that "felt" good, and all the "felt" bad?

and this photo album, contain the coming and going of just normal people, of all the world, DISCOVERING, each for oneself, and all collectively, what was most good, by first doing what was not most good, OR WHAT MAKE ONE REALLY HAPPY?

why is past days, of course, THEY DID NOT HAVE ALL OF HISTORY, AS WE DO, to see more what is good, so many time, bad others were killed, but these others, were trying to also kill?

so WHO is most right?

both are just learning, and the text only most tell the MINDS THOUGHTS, OF IT'S OWN ACTIONS, speaking this and writing it?

being then most, WHAT THE MIND TOLD SELF, THE LAW, THEN WHAT THE HEART SAID?

what did pious holy leaders use to enslave the peoples, creating DIVIDED PEOPLE, BY ALL WORDS?

HATE?

if we have people sneaking into homes, killing our women and children, should we leave them alone, saying TEXT SAY TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK?

did not text ALSO say "vengence is mine sayeth the lord"?

did it not say the TRUTH IS LORD?

and god is within, and truth come from god, so inner natural desire is GOD?

subverted natrual desire, is turned to evil?

text say that "god give the each the desires of their heart"?

so the desire of the heart, is what one wish, BUT OTHERS CONVICE IT IS EVIL DESIRE, most onnly because they ARE AFRAID TO HAVE SEX, TO DRINK A BEER, TO GET ANGRY, TO DIVORCE ONE THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH, TO NOT GO TO CHURCH TO FIND GOD, WHEN TI SAY GOD BE WITHIN?

everything being as turned around, TO MAKE A "TOP OF RIGHTEOUSS PEOPLE", to make others as satan, and the bottem?

what did holy leaders speak then, the mind or the heart?

so truth within, see NOT TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK, in this situation?

THIS BE WHY TEXT SAY, "the carnel mind wish for a sign, and why NO SIGN SHALL BE GIVEN"?

what is the sign RELIGION SEEK?

"HOLY ACTIONS"?

this is WHAT RELIGION MAKE AS GOD, as the graven image, as what they call the GOLDEN RULE, THE GOLDEN CALF, saying do this, and you will be GOOD TO GOD?

when THIS perception cannot ever even have ture MOST SANITY?

it is a case by case, IN EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD?

"what be sin for one, is not sin for another"

so no def of sin possible, if in most wisdom, which be only most truth KNOWN AT THE TIME?

does not a child easily think that HAPPY IS A WHOLE BAG OF MARSHMELLOWS?

so does each thing born?

but, when the child, ALLOWED INTENTIONALLY TO EAT THE WHOLE BAG, "IF" not told to eat the "whole bag" is WRONG, will ITSELF, monitoring it's OWN happiness, from body, mental, and energy or spirit, know what is better?

perpetual awareness, with no ending or beginning, learns as this, so BOTH things as what human call good and bad, are OF VITAL INPUT INTO AWARENESS, to make such assessments?

if it is real data, and REAL TO SELF, then it must be KNOWN BY LIVING IT?

true reality?

not some other's PROPOSED GOOD OR BAD?

seems the CRITICAL REASON, text said "what is sin for one, is NOT sin for another"?

just this ONE SENTENCE THEN, destroy notions of text being used to say WHO IS SINNING, WHAT IS SIN, AND WHO IS OF GOD, OR NOT OF GOD?

but of course, it is readily apparent that this is what it has been used for, and WHY SUCH PRACTICES WERE CURSED BY THE BOOK?

saying anyone that use it, to access WHO IS GOOD, AND WHO IS NOT, IS DAMNED TO IGNORANCE, BLINDNESS, OF WHAT THE "GOOD NEWS", OR fabulous picture of ultimate good is, AS IS NOT GOD SUPPOSED TO BE ULTIMATE GOOD, OR ECSTACY?

ultimate bliss......

of course, it has been used to MAKE A BOTTOM, CURSING OTHERS, JUDGING OTHERS, to make and establish SELF AS A TOP?

this is the very reason it was spoken "to try to save one's life, is to lose it, but to lay it down, is to gain it"?

but the word "life" either as, or as not, is ONLY possible when HUMAN?

as before or after this, LIFE IS NOT AS WE KNOW IT, ENDING AND BEGINNING, BUT IMMORTAL, OR NO BEGINNING OR NO ENDING, so to lose "life" while human, IS ONLY TO LOSE THE "FEELING" OF BEING MOST ALIVE, emotionally, physically, and these mixed together, then as spiritually?

to FEEL GOOD IN THE BODY, AND IN THE MIND, TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME, BEING WHAT TEXT CALL "LIFTED UP".......

not seeing all things thru just good and bad, but as ONE.......

without this, human life come to feel as stagnet, as not being "fun" anymore, as the persuit of JUST good, when ANYTHING HERE, IS PURPOSED TO "FEEL" BOTH, comes to "feel" as if one cannot find happiness, or perfect peace, or no ssatisfaction.......

anywho, all who have mislead others to believe, that anything not matching thier own moral code, using text to do this, are said to be burned in hell, and can't get out, until all the one's they have stumbled, have decided to forgive them....

but then anyone who see others truly, knows they have done the same, so one only ALLOW another to continue such "suffering" as hell, until there is KNOWING that this is WHAT IT IS DOING?

free will allowed to teach.....

the same as seeing a child, who keeps beating up others at school, knowing this one, will need to get BEAT UP, to know HOW such feel, so to make text some law, that SHOULD FORGIVE, AS A LAW, is cursed from actual learning, as to forgive something, to not make it suffer the true reaction from others, is actually only DIGGING the pit of another as deeper.....

text show how good and bad, is to be used for BOTH GOOD......

HOW CAN ANYTHING BECOME MORE AWARE, knowing both the good and bad feeling, to make true knowing, if one is KEPT by some law, from all bad, AS IF WHEN A CHILD, SMALL BAD, AS NOT GOOD, TEACHING CAUSE AND EFFECT, is allowed, and input into the conscious mind, this one will NEVER NEED to walk thru HUGE BAD?

but the constant telling, of how SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF SELF, god said to be "inner self", is the GUIDE of good and bad, is as the most daming practice to any good learning spieces.....

it is NOT USED IN ANY OF NATURE, ANY OF THE UNINVERSE ANYWHERE, but ONLY BY RELIGION?

this BE WHY RELIGION WAS CALLED THE DRAGON, THAT BREATH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE?

breath to speak and say such things, using not natural FEAR, BUT INPUTTING MORE UNNATURAL FEAR, to try to make good, was the only "satan" description given, calling such things as controlling, hypocrisy, double minded, self righteouss, mouths of serpents, and ALL THE MOUTHS OF SERPENTS TOGETHER, MAKING THE GREAT DRAGON?

the thing that LOOK AND TELL SOMETHING, JUST LIKE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE STORY, OF ADAM AND EVE, THAT "IF" YOU DO THIS, YOU WILL SURELY DIE?

the voice of logic and reason, complete this statment, as GOD WITHIN, as NOTHING FROM WITHOUT IS GOD, but satan, so ADAM AND EVE, or just MALE AND FEMALE, HEARD THIS IN THE MIND, and THOUGTH IT WAS GOD?

but was it?

jesus told the mind, that brought scriptures to him, TO TRY TO CONTROL HIS ACTIONS, and called this SATAN?

so then it is clear, which be GOD, OR WISDOM, OR LOVE, AND WHICH BE SATAN, AND FEAR, AND IGNORANCE?

this BE WHAT CREATE DOCTRINE, as what does doctrine CARE ABOUT OTHERS HAPPINESS, BUT ONLY WITH ITSELF AS RIGHT, and this, the holy perception that think ALL OTHERS ARE WRONG, and self is RIGHT, is damned and cursed, to simply NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND HAPPINESS?

that is all, as this lack of happiness, make anything do what?

not WANT TO LIVE, so then, LOSING THE ZEST AND LOVE OF LIFE, WHICH IS TO LOSE THE LOVE OF OTHERS, BY THIS DAMNED PERCPETION OF ALL OTHERS AS SOMEHOW LESS THAN SELF, which steal and rob all the love that is really inside, that truly wishes to love and dance and sing and hang out and enjoy others, but religion say, THEY ARE BAD?

how this can be done, with no sight of it, when the greatest thing said, to find happiness, was to love the enemey, love the neighbor, is really the more difficult thing to understand, UNTIL IT IS SEEN, THAT WITHOUT FIRST DOING THIS, NOTHING COULD SEE THE BETTER OF NOT DOING IT, and that BOTH of these done for a time, IS NEEDED, for true self knowing, HOW TO NOT LET LOVE BE STOLEN, by some dogma, some creed, some religion, some idea, of holy leaders, just to try to make self good?

WHAT UNITY, WHAT PEACE, WHAT UNDERSTANDING, WHAT LOVE, WHAT BROTHERHOOD, WHAT COMPASSION, WHAT CARING, WHAT KINDNESS, could ever come, IF ONE IS CONNECTED TO INNER SELF, WHICH BE LOVE, by saying I AM OF GOD, AND YOU ARE NOT?

oh my god, that is no different tah saying, i am smart, and you are not?

it seems to most be the definition of blind leading the blind, and it was spoken then as a good or bad state of being, AS GOOD OR EVIL, but WHAT it was, then HOW this could never make LOVE........

FUNDEMENTALISM.......

a top to make a bottom, to LIFT SELF HIGH......

to debate text as true or not true, without any seeing what actually make happiness, which is good?

but if anything wish to know god, humble thyself before GOD AND MAN?

god and man is one, if text is applied to things?

god said to "reside in the hearts of man"?

satan said to be the way the "natural inclination" of the mind, to say of others, THEY ARE NOT GOD, OR FOLLOW GOD, BUT I DO?

to say self be a "christian" and others are not?

THE GREATEST DECEPTION TO BEFALL A INTELLIGENT SPIECES CALLED MAN........

OK, I BETTER SHUT UP, BEFORE HOLY LEADERS SEND THE MOD SQUAD TO KILL MY CHILDREN AND FRIENDS.......

the only thing that kills, it one exposed to such crap, even thought is WILL MAKE GOOD IN THE END, but still, no good till crap it called for the **** it is, that DESTROY ALL LOVE AND UNITY...

anywho, just ignorant dumb ideas by a devil........

Seeing is always believing.... isn't it?

I can't see my mind, but I can touch my brain.
I must be mindless.

I don't know why I'm awake, but I can tell you that everyone has to be an agnostic.

There is archaelogical and historical evidence for the bible, but I can tell you that ancient scribes or the religious right or some power hungry dictators manufactured it.

I believe Homer wrote the Illiad, but I don't believe any of the named authors wrote the Old or New Testaments.

I won't believe in the possibility of a deity, but I can accept man evolving from inorganic ooze that might have been injected onto this planet by invisible spacemen.

I can't believe in miracles, but I can believe that the most mathematically impossible things are due to blind fate.

I won't believe in God, but I love other people.