Nope.. No Way... Don't think so.
Not design that way.
Sorry.. no free pass on that statement.
I don't see the reason why it works both ways.

Never heard of a girl being too nice.
Tell me an example.
Usually if a guy use the word "Nice" to describe a girl... it is more than likely describing her looks.

DUH!!!! A MOM.
Someone to make decisions for them and all you have to do is do chores and be a good little boy.

If any of you guys are interested... Read the book "Ways of a Superior Man" by David Deida. It is available at Borders and Amazon. They also have it on Audiobooks.

You can listen to it, with the woman in your life and I garantee(sp?) she will agree with what the author says. It might lead to a healthier relationship.

Great... you see my point.
I don't know how it started or how we got this way.
I haven't been able to find research or studies on this subject.

Howard Stern said, "Men today are a bunch of pussies."

The term "Nice Guy" doesn't really mean the word Nice but a label for the type of behavior.

It is a default characteristic, that TAKES no EFFORTS.
I am sorry to say this (all the Nice Guys especially).... You woman shouldn't have to settle for less. But do get to know that Nice Guy and do tell them what it would take for them to get better. But most woman don't even know what they want.

It is easy being NICE.. It is almost laziness to remain NICE.
Being the freaking Door Mat for the woman of your dream to be stepped on. Being something more than NICE is hard work and cost money. You have to be well Groomed. In touch with your feminine side, therefore take care of your health and appearance.

The biggest problem with NICE guys is that they put the woman in their life on a Pedestal and the focus of their dreams and passion... in which, she will fail to meet that unAttainable perfection and thus ending the relationship without Respect for being the Door Mat.

How can the woman of your Dreams VALUE you, if you don't Can't VALUE yourself? You don't Value yourself when you are a freaking DOOR MAT.


Wheeeww... I have to go eat dinner.

Yeah... Women loves detail... I am sure they will read it.

The Nice guy will never grabs her by the hair, pulls her skirt up, and bends her over the kitchen counter.

He will only have sex when she gives him permission.

Listen up nice guys...

a committed woman will never cheat on a man she respects.

That is ok... but, nice guys finish last, because they don't take a woman and lead her. Instead, they're waiting to be led by her. Women don't respect men that don't take control.

This has been on the internet for sometime. In case some of you never read it..

Ode to the Nice Guys
This rant was written for the Wharton Undergraduate Journal

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and *****ing about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative *****es. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

Ok... I will bite.
Let's say you guys agree to go see a movie and to a resturant.


Nice guy routine....
"DeviousDelilah what is your favorite resturant and what chick flick would you like to go see afterward."


Self-Determined Man routine....
"DeviousDelilah, I know this great little resturant you've got to try. They've got the best appletizers. Afterwards, I know this quiet little wine cellar and learn more about each other."


I guess they are almost the same.. but the difference is the Nice Guy is You centered, you choose... which will get boring. The other guy is experience centered and Leads. It is psychological Woman do want a man to take charge and Lead and make them feel secure.

VEry good post.

Don't be the Nice Guy.

Nice Guy's don't have CONFIDENCE or LEADERSHIP or DETERMINATION.

All of which adds Sexual Value.
Without Sexual Value... you are just a Friend in the eternal FRIEND ZONE... listening to her about her problems with her boyfriend.

Being Nice Guy is the easiest thing to do.
Get some balls and be the MAN with choices... Yes it is harder to do and it doesn't mean you are being a jerk, but she doesn't come first. You have Priorities and Values that is above her... and that will attract a girl... not being a puppy dog hoping for a bone after she finishes with a Man.

What works best.. is the Nice Guy in Wolf's Clothing?
Bad Boy image with a caring soft heart.

Whoa... waita minute...
Maybe he is a Virgin 13 times and he is just making it exciting by withholding the sex part of a relationship slowly and teasing along the way.

OOOOOooo YYYeeeah... mmmeee too.
I am a 40 year old Virgin.
Would you like to go out with me?
My mom can drive us to the movie threater and we can watch "Wall-E".

Hmmm... I can't decide should I go out with you or Fade.
I don't know if I can trust any of you to take advantage of me.

hehe... JK...

hehe... My point is...
the Situation is not worst...
the People are not worst...
it is different...
You cannot use the same old tactics for meeting people face to face and knowing someone's family for today's virtual meeting place online.




BTW, people were not stoned to death for lying... stoning for stealing and adultery and prostitution... Too many people would be killed for lying because everybody lies.

Hey that is great.

Do you love him?
Can you picture yourself with him 20 years from now?

Do you know what you don't want in life?
uhhh... Heck... you are just dating him and won't be in trouble ... just have fun and enjoy your time learning about each other.

That guy was trampled by the Reality of Life and Marriage.

Oooo yeah...

How about soft music, Red wine and melted dark chocolate dip for strawberries, scented candle, low dim lights and warmed Massaging Oil.

Yep, Master at work... All FIVE senses... not just one.

I photographed my Pastor's daughter's wedding.
At one point we were doing the Garter belt shot... The bride was sitting on the chair and the Groom was on his knees in front of her. He lifted the dress and his hands reaching up for the garter and he turned his head and made a puky face.... HAHA.. He's a Virgin.

About 3 months later, she had a big belly... looks like the virgin church boy got busy on wedding night.

I think so.. too... isn't it creepy.
I was rised in an un-affecitonate family.
I didn't even hug my parents or my brothers.
But when I started dating, I unleashed my ... mmm... express my deep deep feelings onto my girlfriend.

To the point she would say... you are going to rub my thighs raw. (with my hand and that was like 17 years ago.. now I know better.)