ohhhhh you know
just socially aware

chyllax, Mr. BitterButt
I sense some unresolved issues from childhood

you call whenever you feel like calling
that's the rule

the grass is always greener on the other side

PAAAAAAARRTTAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!! then after that, BAR HOPPINGGGGGG!!!!!

psh. take out the "detroit" in that search and you'll get the REAL Magnus
That guy's a G.

Yeah. To me, pickup is an all-encompassing discipline that covers all the bases so that true transformation can be the ultimate goal.

Tower -> Death -> Judgement

Tarot, anyone?

ahem... anyways, back to this thread topic. as excited as i am to actually have a chance to talk to someone who actually dated a PUA celebrity, you guys have brought up a very important point that relates Peacock Theory.

Don't be fooled. Learn the tricks. I encourage everyone to keep themselves from being fooled by anything that isn't genuine.

However, the definition of a "PUA" is in question here. Is a PUA someone who tricks women into bed by conveying attractive qualities that he doesn't actually possess, or is he someone who takes time to mature and develop his personality and lifestyle into something genuine and attractive?

There are both kinds of PUAs out there, and I for one most certainly promote the latter type of PUA lifestyle. Mystery and I may have some slight disagreements about this. I don't know for sure - I've never met the guy.

Here's where the peacock comes in. A peacock spreads its large, colorful plumage to attract a female mate. His feathers convey good health and the genuine bravery to make himself vulnerable to predators. The fact that he's alive also demonstrates that he has good enough survival value to not have already been eaten by a lion or something. This is analogous to a "natural" man who is an alpha male.

Let's say a peacock has a tiny tail and dull-colored feathers. He never actually went through the experiences peacock number 1 went through, so he is actually less of an alpha male. He is a beta male. Let's say that this peacock somehow found a way to attach a very large and colorful velcro tail to his butt so that he can attract female attention. When the female gets close enough to see that it's a fake tail, she'll get pissed because he's just a faker. Sure, this little peacock may get laid more from this velcro tail, but the females are going to feel ripped off in some way. This is analogous to the PUAs who just use outer game without regard and commitment to real, long-term change and shifts in inner game.

Let's say there's a third peacock who happens to have human intelligence. This peacock realizes that he will be most happy if he could genuinely become an alpha male. So, over time, he commits to a process of CHANGE where he exercises, learns and adopts the demeanor of a confident male, and teaches himself to adopt the actual mindset of an alpha. I personally have no idea what's going to happen to his tailfeathers because I'm no biologist, but this little peacock is going to be a lot happier in the end... and he's going to get a lot of peacock chicks. This is the true PUA.

As Jeanniebean mentioned, a man must be good in the sack if he's going to demonstrate sexual confidence. If he charms you all the way to bed and you find out he's a minuteman... yeaaahhhhh that ain't good.

Here's an article on sex I wrote a while back (exclusively on JSH):
http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/55077


I challenge your implied claim to enlightenment of what "love" is...and of what "game" is. I bet you amusingly missed the boat on both of them. I know I'm sounding incredibly cocky here, but what do you know? You're just a cat with large, adorable eyes who happens to know how to type on a computer.

1. I don't care what your personal grudges are. That's your personal sh!t to deal with and has nothing to do with our actual art.
2. DID YOU REALLY DATE MAGNUS??? (that makes you like a f*cking celebrity, by the way)

OH MY GOD
YOU DATED MAGNUS???
like... THE Magnus?? or some guy that just took Magnus's name???

Hey Amanda! Happy vday!
just be glad you didn't end up dating me

http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/56322

psh your PUA tactics wont work on me

http://www.khotang.org/varius_songs/Haddaway%20-%20What%20Is%20Love%20(1).mp3

baby dont hurt me
dont hurt me
no more

go to a bar

I think I've got a quarter in my pocket somewhere

happy day everyone

Hello,
I'm Chief, and I'm a young pickup artist in the scene.
Just like any group of people with any label, there's going to be a normal curve in which a rare few are lost in the abyss of patheticness. The vast majority will be a simply unenlightened bunch just looking to chase some tail. Then, there are a rare few who actually understand what pickup is really all about: one path out of many toward taking control of your own life and achieving self-actualization.

In life, there are three main categories in which we must build success in order to be happy: Health, Wealth, and Relationships. There are many disciplines available in which we can learn how to achieve success in Health and Wealth: Gym training, martial arts, diet plans, career training, stock trading, real estate investment, etc. Everything we learn in school ultimately has to do with Health and Wealth. However, an entire one-third of the puzzle is missing, which leads to complications in the regular American's mental health and social adeptness, especially for men. Women are already socially adept by nature - by the nurture in which they chose to socialize from a young age.

The pickup artistry is a discipline in the making that let's people build some sort of success in Relationships with clear goals and some predictive ability.

A PUA has CHOICE in terms of his love life. Everyone has different goals. Some guys get into this to get laid more, some guys get into this because they are looking for a nice girlfriend, some guys get into this so they can make sure they get married to the right woman and not just to some girlfriend they were in a relationship with by default, and some get into this just to get over sexual frustration. You can't really judge us as a whole.

As for the "phoney" techniques, etc...
First of all, there are two aspects to Game: Inner Game and Outer Game. Most of the content presented in The Game by Neil Strauss consists of glorified Outer Game, which is simply the "what to say, what to do" parts. Inner Game is the constantly-overlooked (yet more important) half of the deal, which focuses on shifting your mental reality in terms of how you see the world and how you see yourself so that you can live more confidently and happier, which ultimately lets you radiate a more attractive energy... and let's you create, for yourself, a more attractive personality that you can naturally convey to others.

Mystery, one of the main characters in The Game, is very big on Outer Game. The Mystery Method is an entire step-by-step Outer Game model of pickup. However, he teaches that once you get the hang of all this canned material, you are supposed to switch it out with real stories from your own life so that it becomes genuine material... it's just following a basic structure of attraction that nature created over time with evolution. Yes, Mystery and other master PUAs are well-versed in evolutionary psychology. I even took a course in it myself.

Oh, by the way...

That is an incredibly sexist thing to say. It's not sexists because you are generalizing - it's just fact that men think about sex very often. However, saying that we would be "better people" if our genetic wiring were different is offensive, just plain wrong, and spoken from an unenlightened and self-centered perspective.

yeah uh
can i have my left arm back? i kinda need it.