Thanks LA, you're sweet!

Hey Fear, this is awesome! I feel myself slipping away as I read this. Emoticon, Emoticon, there isn't one expressive enough for what I want to say. Awesome!

Thanks my friend. School goin okay for you?

Tammy, I really like this evolution of your style. And I can relate to this, I've been plagued by insomnia since my early teens. It really does suck. Great write!

Oh, maleah, your words are like an pickaxe in my heart. This is wonderful!

Gossip, Maleah and Different:

Thank you for those 'warming" words I really appreciate it.

1 degree
above
Absolute Zero...

Do you see
my absent love,
my tainted hero....?

Absolute Zero?
all atomic motion
STOPS.

Absolute Zero?
all molecules frozen
like a dead clock.

I grew like this
Black Ice,
cold and trecherous.

I grew like this
Black Frost,
hard and amiss.

Absolute Zero,
all my blood frozen
like a burgundy rock.

Absolute Zero,
all my heart's motion
DROPS.

Do you believe
my absent love,
my absent hero

You can't warm me
anything above
1 degree past Absolute Zero?

Down through meadows of shadow and lies
Down past the tables set with delight and despise
Down a bridge, up some stairs
A view spreads of Banality's lurching pools
and disease drenched skies
It's struggling tributaries choked within our own sagging dinn
A wonderous place to be,
something to recall when asked about "back then"
A sumptuous place to have been,
blistering our beauty-cream clogged skins
Peruse the pathways, peruse it all,
At least it's something to "recall":

"Dirty bloodied pools of burning delight
Dirty little streams stuffing you all full of so much FRIGHT
I want to go back, I know what I've done,
What I've wanted to do all along....
Our breath is squelching in the muck
Our lives are ruled by a vicarious ideal labeled: "****"
Natural process is the only thing that invades,
while we all lay here,
complacent in trite's shade
Our hands, our hands are burning,
our hands are yearning
scraping through the muck,
scraping in rage cuz it's all the same
The same all over again.......
That's what I wanted to do all along,
puking as they bellow out their little songs
Their ideals are a plague,
just swat them like summer flies
Swat them away,
cuz you don't want to move off your bed of sweaty dreams unmade."

(Have I lost it? Have I lost the ideals? No, didn't really feel so.)

Down through memories of your own filmy light & imagined crimes
Down past the gluttonous tables, past those with burning hands
Down some stairs, up ahead is a bridge
Hope's view sits there glaring at the edge of Hackneyed's fens
It's struggling inside,
struggling to escape your alls idealistic skins
A light fills the confining skies,
You know the one! Look up! No need to hide!
It's such a dirty place to be,
something to recall when asked about "guilty me"
Such a dirty place to sit & spend,
blistering to ash all those slimy morals inside your heads
Peruse them,
Peruse Banility and Hope
You'll soon find it's the same ideal, that's all.....
......what a joke.

I'm sold!!

Thanks MzEm, love ya!

Hey there! Welcome to the poetry forums! There are alot of cool people here (me being one of them ) and with what you have written, I see that you will fit right in. As for the poem, very well done, leaves me hanging like hope oftne does.

I'm sorry that you got sucked in too, hope your hair grew back!

Hey massage,

I see we can go round and round with what we are "meant" and "should" do. I'll try to clarify:

As an omnivore species, by definition of the word "omnivore", we are "meant" to eat plants and animals. We are designed to eat meat i.e. proteins, fats and sinew. The same with plants i.e. fiber and cellulose. Our bodies can extract these items and use them for fuel and energy storage.

Herbavores can not process muscle protiens and animal fats and vice-versa with many carnivores. That is the design and functionality of their systems. We, on the other hand, can do both.

So with that in mind, I have to say yes, we are "meant" to eat animals and plants.

Now to your arguement: "Should" we eat farm animals, is it necessary to commit these actions and is it morally acceptable to do so?

On one hand, we have choice. As you mentioned, we can choose to not eat animals, we can still be alive and function without "animal" fuel. So if you personnaly feel that you don't need to eat meat, then this will affect your morality on raising animals, killing them and eating them. On this hand, you might say that it is not right to kill for food and you might say: I "should" not do this. I understand this viewpoint.

On the other hand, this is who we are. From our ancestral roots to now, we have consumed meat and plants.....our bodies have changed because of the proteins we absorb from meat. This is what I was talking about when you mentioned that proteins from animals "sparked" our advancement and allowed our brains and bodies to grow better then what they were doing when we merely ate fruits and tubers. On this hand I say that we should eat meat, we should continue to raise animals for food. And the morality and ethics on this hand really don't come into play. If you are starving or meat is your choice of food, then that is what is one your mind, not: "Is this right what I'm doing, am I wrong for killing this animal?"

I understand the point you were making with your size being larger than a woman and does that mean you "should" rape. Earlier in our history, this is exactly what men would do. You are bigger, you desire something, take it. But morally, this is wrong and damages personality or self. But are we damaged as people because we eat animals, I really don't think so.

Basically, I'm trying to say, like you, that just because you can do something doesn't mean you "should". But that is totally up to you and what falls into your morality and ethical system.

As a society, we are fine with eating animals. The quandry we face is how we treat our future steak, what kind of life do we give livestock before slaughter? This ultimetly falls into the scope of one's own ethical system.

Maybe in the future we can break away from this practice of raising animals with advances in science, like turning inorganic into organic "foodstuffs". If this does happen, then I would argue that it is wrong to kill for food, but until then: Bring on the beef!

Thank you also for clarifing the vegan points, my realm of knowledge in this area is somewhat limited and I apperciate any ideas you have to offer.

-This is inspired by all those infomercials, you know the ones.-

'We couldn't say it,
if it wasn't true.'
I wouldn't believe it,
it's not really true!

OK...,
so I brought
into the ad,
right into the lie.
Straight away,
the first, eager payment
was made...

And, OK, all right,
mabe what I reall did
was buy into
something lecherous,
and all too insipid.

And now I
must, have to
Rush
rushing here,
rushing from "there",
another payment
something else so odious
to bear...

And you know
I couldn't say it,
if it wasn't really true
and you really,
really can't believe it
Cuz it's not
altogether what I
wanted to misuse.

Vindication can be a harsh master, do you do like the old quote says?: "Revenge is a dish best served COLD"

I'm not sure as to what you want to know...how to purge yourself or just sharing?

See, I knew I'd catch some flack

By "meant" I was implying all the resons you gave. If we were not meant to omnivores, then I do believe that we would have been structured differently i.e. either a mouth full of grinders that herbavores have or a big mouth full of T-Rex. teeth.

Yes, males and females are structurally biult for sex with each other and I see your point: just because you are built to perform a function doesn't mean that you have to.

As for your comments to your vegan diet, you are the only one I've "talked" to that actually enjoyed the diet and found it to be good for you, I didn't mean to "trash" the lifestyle. That's just been my experience.

I hope this shores up the foundations a little.

My understanding is that (back in the days of obtaining nutrients and calories without much technology!), shifting to a diet that included animals gave pre-humans (or early humans?) a tremendous gain - especially in energy/time spent and energy/nutrients obtained.

Thanks massage, I thought there would be simple answers but I was happily mistaken. And you are right, there are more salient points then "Nature made it so". See ya around!

Great write, though sad (not that I disapprove! )