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Thu 08/13/09 10:38 AM


Emotions are our genes way of getting us to fulfill our genes goals. Every emotion we have is there for one of two reasons.

1. To help us survive long enough to find a suitable mate.
2. To help us select a suitable mate and replecate our genes.

They are evolution's gift to us.
Well said.


To be honest, I have yet to see a definition of "emotion" that wasn't either circular or so vague and ambiguous as to be completely useless in any scientific sense. So I wouldn't attempt to determine where they come from, since I don't even know what they are in this context.

(I'm such a party pooper! :laughing:)
Its not that there is no scientific definition, its just does not satisfy the first person perspectives of affected experience.

From a third person perspective emotions are easily defined.


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This is a very interesting topic, the latest edition of Free Inquiry there is a bunch of independent articles around the topic of designer moods and how we manage our emotions in all kinds of social settings.

One sub article goes on to relate how stewardesses, stressful phone jobs ect can have a deep impact on the mental well fair of a person based on how they develop there emotional control strategies.

Some try to internalize the happy persona they have to put on as a front, and this causes early burnout due to the needed energy investment both physically and mentally. Some people try to just put on an act and mentally allow themselves to be cold, indifferent, or even imagine being rude back ect, they tend to become detached from the job.

Drats a call . . I will have to continue later . . (atwork)
Alright, I'll be waiting....laugh

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Thu 08/13/09 10:37 AM
Thanks for understanding! I've got one below me, little boys that just got their first place and they're up till like 4 a.m. playing some Xbox game and rant rant I don't want to start, I won't be able to stop!frustrated rant

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Thu 08/13/09 10:21 AM
These people are making me mad:

always bumping,crashing,smashing

and they do it EVERY day
anytime,everyday....
I listen to the radio and I clean my "house"
when I lay, I lose
as soon as I move, they're at bay

always bumping,crashing

I tell them I'm interested in lots of things
interested in all their things
I tell them just what I'm like,
I'm just like them!
they don't care, they're on the move

always bumping

Today I asked them to stop
and today is when they said they'd forgot
today I sat and smiled over my discomplishment
today they still didn't listen
today is the day they don't care

always

I've asked them nicely,
so now I can snap
I'll show them how to be quiet
show them how much I don't care
how much I don't really want to listen



I climbed the stairs and broke down the door
Now I'm the one making the noise!
Downstairs, nobody could hear the hours of torture
Nobody downstairs cared anymore
Nobody downsatiars didn't want to listen anymore

No more bumping, crashing, smashing!

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Thu 08/13/09 09:27 AM

My thoughts spill over
my mind races
at times my word choice's might suck
spelling, well good luck
my word---Thesaurus is on the brink
Dictonary---thought that was a game!
We write from our thoughts
some from the heart
others spill, thier wondering thoughts (me include'd)
I read the hearts of wondering souls
comment on those that touch my core
I simply come here to enjoy
Coffee & Tea, some scones.. maybe two
I come here to see the moon..

My rant is over
my rant is mine
lets just give our home
some peace of mind
spill your guts,, sell a story or two
most of all
constuct the critisizm
take what you can
are we not here to lend a hand

perfect were not
perfection out the door
construct my mind
like sand in the box
mix & match
push & shove
Recess,
Time out
out of mind
spilling
thoughts of a different kind
so
play nice with the neighbors
and have a scone
on mebigsmile
laugh laugh I hear what what you're saying, do you prefer blueberry or creamcheese? I've got both and I like to share!laugh :heart:

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Thu 08/13/09 07:39 AM

drinker

They are a result of chemical interactions in the brain which are autonomous responses to sense perception. While we can alter how we mentally process those reactions - by altering how we frame experience - and with practice this does physically affect the chemical reactions and the areas of the brain being used, we really have no say in the instantiation of those reactions.

Emotion is purely physiological in existence, yet we can - because we are self-aware - affect them.
Thank you creativesoul, another vote for the physiological!

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Thu 08/13/09 07:37 AM
rofl

Emotions come from your wallet, let me explain.

You are feeling ok and not happy or sad or anything... then you go out to get a new HDTV... You are in love with the TV, then the guy asks you to pay for it, now you have doubt, next you actually pay for it, now you have guilt... then you get home and show it to the wife, now you have fear, then you hook it up, and turn it on.. now you have Joy... there they are, all cuz you opened your wallet!
rofl

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Thu 08/13/09 07:32 AM
Thanks everyone!flowerforyou I thought it was a little too dark to post, but I guess I was wrong!laugh

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Wed 08/12/09 09:21 PM

Someday I will find the one,
The one that will be my soulmate,
The one that will let me love them,
The one that will let me cuddle,
The one that will not be afraid,
The one that will always have a ready smile,
The one that will come to me when sad,
The one that will want my touch,
The one that will need my kiss,
The one that will cheer me up,
The one that will wake me up,
The one that will become a part of me.

Someday.....


I'm reminded of a song by The Smiths..."How Soon Is Now?"

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Wed 08/12/09 04:59 PM
And I'm all those shooting stars,
raining down from the sky,
exploding into all your scars....
I'll sunder the sky as I pass,
I've come to do it all, what a gas!
I could tell you why,
even 'till it makes them cry,
but I've just begun to arrive,
so say any piteous last goodbyes....
Still, I only show up once a year,
stay for only a few days,
and envy any everything till I just can't stay
flooding them all with damage,
Just wait, it'll pass,
vainly clinging to that old adedge,
the skys burn for days....
and many more find they can't stay
they're milling around, smiles upside down,
falling, choking, convulsing in the dust
scatching at the burns,
scraping in nails with such lust
(So is it supposed to make the stomach turn?)
The others try to rebuild,
hoping to overcome the decay....
A land that's been deeply scarred,
with inhabitants deeply scared,
And I'll be back!
just wait till next year,
and the one after...after...after...
You should feel like prisoners,
you'll never leave, till you die....
....and I'll be back the year after that and the year....

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Wed 08/12/09 03:48 PM

To be honest, I have yet to see a definition of "emotion" that wasn't either circular or so vague and ambiguous as to be completely useless in any scientific sense. So I wouldn't attempt to determine where they come from, since I don't even know what they are in this context.

(I'm such a party pooper! :laughing:)
There do seem to be many opinions on the subject and your's is as welcome as any.

I still want to know "exactly" what they are and where they come form, the party is still ON!laugh laugh

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Wed 08/12/09 01:22 PM
Awwww...this ones nice!:heart: :heart:

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Wed 08/12/09 01:19 PM

People come into my life,
And then they make me smile,
The laugh and giggle with delight,
And keep me for a while.

The talk as if they have no fear,
and then they pass on love,
They say goodbye without a tear,
And I am crying and give up.

Then the day comes along,
I meet someone new,
My life's a song.
I say hello how do you do.

but I know it will be the same,
They laugh and smile,
It's all a game.
I'll be crying again in a while.
Wow, I thought that only happened to me...nice write!drinker

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Wed 08/12/09 12:21 PM


So after the impulses reach the cortex,then...?

Do these impulses signal glands to release hormones or some other chemical that has the end result of "happy", "sad" and so forth.

I ask because I have little background in Biology and Anatomy, but there are fascinating subjects.

Lastly, by your qoute, are you saying that only warm-blooded creatures possess the trait of "emotion"?




You might find the work of Candace B. Pert interesting



"Molecules of Emotion: Why You Feel the Way You Feel", Candace B. Pert, PH.D.

ISBN 0-684-83187-2


Thanks, artgurl! I'll definetly check it out and let you know my thoughts.

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Wed 08/12/09 12:20 PM

Emotions are our genes way of getting us to fulfill our genes goals. Every emotion we have is there for one of two reasons.

1. To help us survive long enough to find a suitable mate.
2. To help us select a suitable mate and replecate our genes.

They are evolution's gift to us.
Strange gift, indeed!laugh But I see the point you're are making, it might just all boil down to that.

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Wed 08/12/09 12:19 PM

Inherant.......love.

Instinct.......caution.

Input.......happy, sad, angry.

Experience.......'triggers'.
So you're saying that it's just like a computer program, there are inherent aspects to the software, firewalls that are instinctual and inputs that result from triggers. I like it! I've often thought the brain was just another form of a computer.

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Wed 08/12/09 07:48 AM

It is interesting to me how we often read a piece differently depending on what is going on in our world. Someone close to me is haunted by demons in the form of schizophrenia ... a young man ... still a teen with his whole life ahead of him ... but he is lost and at the moment, unreachable, as he is not responding to medication yet...

This reminded me of him ... and how helpless I feel ...


flowerforyou

this piece is similar to your story, about a friend who takes alot of valium to calm their nerves and anxiety about everything, I didn't want to say the friends name, so I just called him "Val".

I'm sorry to hear about the young man you mentioned. I offer you my hope that he does get better and I thank you for sharing this very personnal information.:heart: :heart: :heart:

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Wed 08/12/09 07:42 AM
Thanks mirror and kcoo3!drinker drinker

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Tue 08/11/09 03:25 PM
What to scream,
when you live with demons?
What's there to dream,
when they know all your little feelins?
Do you wanna fight back,
launch a secret and tear filled attack?
How could you even hope, though,
since they can see every place light goes?
Yes, now you can ball those fists,
now you'll be fed all those opportunities
you maybe,mighta,coulda,shoulda missed...
So, what do I scream?
Do I tell you about how it's all lost inside me?
Yeah, well, you know it aint right,
I can't even remember our last dreams
Oh, I wanna fight,
I wanna see that ray shine on down
But it never does, it never did,
since those demons became preoccupied with all your frowns
And I can't help that I didn't lie there,
I can't help that I couldn't just sit here
But I can't scream,
I can't find a way out of your darkened door
I want to dream, I wanted our dream
But I'm coming apart, the stitches hold no more
I can't be what they want to see,
I can't let a demon change all I found in me
Yeah, I'm sure you know,
I won't make a difference
As you've tried oh so hard since
Never could I restore that sh*tty balance

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Tue 08/11/09 03:04 PM

Feeling I

I think when I see your heart
I am allowed to cry.
The strength that I have had to hold
can be buried deep inside.
It is then that I feel I may
Go on to the next step higher
I think that when I see your eyes,
I realize a friend's inspire.

Raine Les 8/11/2009
Very nice!:thumbsup: I have a haiku inspired by this:

Heavy Load

heavy load, feelings
Oh, to drop them to the ground!
I give my hand,Rise!

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Tue 08/11/09 02:55 PM
Hello Abra! Thanks for sharing your thoughts, you always have other avenues that lead to the heart of a question.

To be honest, I think I've never seperated "feelings" & "emotions", I always thought they were the same thing. But I see you point in the scenario of talking to someone and getting a "feeling" for them that can lead to other emotions.

I can say while talking to someone: "I get the feeling that you're not interested in what I'm saying.". This revelation can in turn, depending on the person, lead to emotions such as disappointment, sadness or anger.

Maybe feelings are part of a process that leads to more intense emotion, such as a logic event tree with "and" "or" gates. Like to arrive at a "happy" emotion, either this or that event must happen and so forth.

One other thought I have: you made the mention that we can influence others with our emotions and I have seen and made this happen. It's easy to "infect" someone with happy or sad emotions. Is the mechanism by which this happens merely other people "relating" to how we a feeling or is it a manifestation of our emotions, something tangible but unseen that colors anothers moods?

The latter part is probably a little out there, but I'd be interested to hear thoughts on this.