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Edited by
yzrabbit1
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Mon 12/10/07 12:56 PM
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So Feral then you are saying this part of Psalm 22 is not a prophesy because Jesus just knew it and just repeated it on the cross.
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That's what I am saying......Remember sweets Jesus was a human....with human emotions....and even though he knew the outcome and knew it had to happen.....didn't take the pain of the experience away.....
So here we have the strange mystery of the abandonment of the Son of God -- what some have called "Immanuel's orphaned cry" -- "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Jesus actually spoke these words in Aramaic. Because he cried out with a loud voice, passersby misunderstood him. He said, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? When the bystanders heard the words, "Eloi, Eloi," they thought he was crying for Elijah. But he was calling out for God, from the depths of his being, because of his sense of abandonment. The strangeness of that rejection by God is highlighted for us by his stated awareness of the faithful character of God: |
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You cannot get your story straight across a few sentences. Now you do believe that is was his actual cry. That he was in so musch anguish that he cried out to himself not to abandon himself? |
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Edited by
feralcatlady
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Mon 12/10/07 01:56 PM
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Do you understand English
Please read the second paragraph.....if that is not clear enough....then there is no hope and I say read Matthe 11:25-28 because this also applies to you. |
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Just to make it very clear yes or no do you think Jesus said those words on the cross cause he felt abandond by God. |
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read what I wrote........duh
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Its amazing that even yes no questions confuse you |
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Its amazing that even yes no questions confuse you What is frightening, Rabbit, is how you steal yes and no answers and characterize them in your contempt for God et al. |
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i'm not sure. maybe.
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Welcome back guys nice to see you again |
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"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken |
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"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." -- H. L. Mencken So true! 
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Ok still no explanation for why Jesus thought God had forsaken him. ask him |
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I'm truly sad that he is not able to read plain simple English. I can't explain it any better....and if he wants to hide behind a facade of ignorance well again that is his choice....and once again Matthew 11:25-27 so befits people like rabbit........
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I soith I sayith onto you Freal. Pleaseth just anwsereth yes or no and all will be revealed to me. Maybe that type of language is easier for her.  |
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feralcatlady are you saying that the people who said this
Ps 22:8 8 "He trusted in Yahweh, let Him rescue Him; Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!" NKJV Was just quoting scripture at the same time Yahshua was? Matt 27:41-43 41 Likewise the chief priests also, mocking with the scribes and elders, said, 42 "He saved others; Himself He cannot save. If He is the King of Israel, let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe Him. 43 He trusted in Elohim; let Him deliver Him now if He will have Him; for He said, 'I am the Son of Elohim.'" NKJV Then they did not know here what he was quoting. Matt 27:47-48 47 Some of those who stood there, when they heard that, said, "This Man is calling for EliYah!" 48 Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and offered it to Him to drink. NKJV seems that this is hard for me to believe that they did not know what Yahshua was quoting and in the same sentence quote the other part of Ps. 22 that was prophesied they would do. How could that happen? Or what's the chances?.. Blessings..Miles |
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Edited by
nuenjins
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Thu 12/13/07 04:56 PM
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I soith I sayith onto you Freal. Pleaseth just anwsereth yes or no and all will be revealed to me. Maybe that type of language is easier for her. You are not only not funny, but pathetically lame at trying. Go strap a bomb to your' poodle or somthing. You are stereotypical in the spirit that you are critical of those trying to help you and sad at hiding your contempt. Most people in America have already heard the gospel and made their choice, I have little patience for childish headgames anymore. You like your' pathetic quips boys? Good, you just found your purpose in life-tools for teaching others why they should want to grow up. |
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Its amazing that even yes no questions confuse you When Jesus spoke those words as hard as it was God turned his back to Jesus.......It was what had to be done....If you don't get that your just plain stubborn. |
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Edited by
wouldee
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Thu 12/13/07 05:22 PM
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feralcatlady are you saying that the people who said this Ps 22:8 8 "He trusted in Yahweh, let Him rescue Him; Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!" NKJV Was just quoting scripture at the same time Yahshua was? Matt 27:41-43 41 Likewise the chief priests also, mocking with the scribes and elders, said, 42 "He saved others; Himself He cannot save. If He is the King of Israel, let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe Him. 43 He trusted in Elohim; let Him deliver Him now if He will have Him; for He said, 'I am the Son of Elohim.'" NKJV Then they did not know here what he was quoting. Matt 27:47-48 47 Some of those who stood there, when they heard that, said, "This Man is calling for EliYah!" 48 Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and offered it to Him to drink. NKJV seems that this is hard for me to believe that they did not know what Yahshua was quoting and in the same sentence quote the other part of Ps. 22 that was prophesied they would do. How could that happen? Or what's the chances?.. Blessings..Miles Miles, You have a polluted text for a New Testament if it says 'elohiym' anywhere in it. The Greek texts all use the word 'theos' and that refers to 'el', 'eloah' or 'elohiym' interchangeaby. The nuances of the Hebrew texts of the Old Testament do not say the same thing, necessarily. Elohiym is not the Father, it is a plural derivative denoting 'god' or 'gods' or 'angels' in general and is used to denote a specific with a conjunctive. Tainted texts taint the meaning. As the " Son of God" , you are suggesting that Jesus is "ben elohiym". Elsewhere you have said that 'ben elohiym' means children of God. Others say, 'born of angels or gods'. Jesus has always been specific that he came from the Father and was in Him and with Him and that not anything that was made was made without him. Get away from your teachers and back to the LORD. Or at least use a correct transliteration. |
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It always amazes me when I hear people call Jesus God. I don’t understand how no one sees this as deity worship?? I believe Christians follow the commandment “Thou shall have no other gods before Me.” I don’t know but I never saw the harm in calling him a prophet, but to put him as a equal or as God, I just don’t get..
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