Miles,

Your point 4. is not harmonious. It seems there is a contradiction here.

If , as you say , he thinks it into being and it is done ; then Yashua and the Holy Spirit are redundant entities.
I can comprehend how you disallow the Trinity, but observe that your stance is not self-supporting.

Next, you say that Yahwey does all and all that is done, is done through him.

I am aware that you hold the Bible to be the reproof of all doctrine but must remind you that your words are misrepresenting themselves. As you are fond of doing, I will quote John 1 : in part for you.

John1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John1:3. All things were made by him ; and without him was not anything made that was not made.



Now , that is not a problem, but the problem is later in the text of John.


John1:14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwellt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

"And the Word ( LOGOS, meaning JHWH) was made flesh."

This is who things were made by and spoken into existence by and given to us as being with and part of the Father at Creation.

Your view of Jesus is incorrect, biblically speaking.

Miles do you call yourself a Christian?

CS I can think of common men that will die for others. Father would willing give their life to protect their children that does not make them gods.

Feral "ME AS A HUMAN ALONG WITH ALL HUMANS" when is the last time you heard someone use me in this way. In fact have you ever heard it used this way? I haven't.

*pinkey to corner of mouth


"I will call him..................Mini Funches."

Neunjins since you put Feral in her place I thought you had seen the light and come to my side.

no sweets.....he would not do that...we can actually have conversation and listen if we misunderstood something....and I have to agree you are just another funches.....who no matter will believe what you wish....You don't want proof you want to just fight and annoy....so have fun....Im out...


Leaving you with this......for you too never darken my door again

A Healing Captive

O, God who frees the captive
Do not liberate this carnal slave for freedoms' sake
For I will surely wing my flight to another thorny land.
Break, instead, each evil bond
And rub my swollen wrists,
Then take me prisoner to Your will
Enslaved in Your safekeeping,
O, God, who ushers light into the darkness,
Do not release me to the light
To only see myself
Cast the light of my liberation upon Your face
and be Thou my vision.
Do not hand me over
To the quest of greater knowledge,
Make Your Word a lamp unto my feet
And a light unto my path
And lead me to Your dwelling.
O, God, Who lifts the grieving head,
Blow away the ashes
But let Your gentle hand upon my brow
Be my only crown of beauty,
Comfort me so deeply,
My Healer,
That I seek no other comfort

O, God, Who loves the human soul
Too much to let it go,
So throughly impose Yourself
into the heaps and depths of my life
That nothing remains undisturbed,
Plow this life, Lord,
Until everything You overturn
Becomes a fertile soil,
Then plant me, O,God
in the vast plain of Your love,
Grow me, strengthen me,
And do not lift Your pressing hand
Until it can boastfully unveil
A display of Your Splendor

wouldee
I bare to disagreee. In John it says the word. Since the beginning. In Gen. it tells us that when man was made it says in OUR IMAGE. This being the tithe Elohim... Yahweh has always done everything through his son. The word spoken of is who the Israelites spoke of giving them the 10 commandments. Also remember no one has seen Yahweh and lived. Alot of people should of died. When Yahweh's backside went by the cleft of the rock Moses face shone so bright to the people he had to wear a veil. Now who was this Yahweh or Yahshua. Yahshua has always came in his fathers authority just like an ammbassador to the UN. You just have to get rid of tradition and open your eyes to what the Bible really says without all the garbage that has been put thier for years. I respect you but I also must correct you to what the scriptures say. Even your use of JC is praying to a idol or another diety. You are not to even have another diety on your lips. Doing so breaks the 3rd commandment and you will not be held guiltless/sinless. The commandment in this world that saten/helel decieved the whole world. If you are not forgiven your sin then what sin is that? I do not take the scriptures out of contexts. Yahshua said if you have seen me you have seen the father. Yet no one has seen him and lived. How can that be. AUTHORITY is how.You tell your 14 year old to go tell his 8 year old brother to come in now. Did you not give your authority just the same as if you went out to get him to your 14 year old child. Study to show yourself approved. Is great Wisdom.. Blessings May Yahweh bless Your House...Miles

Rabbit
I call my self a Yahwist of The Way

FERAL said this about ME.(roflmao) That is the Pot calling the kettle black.

Are there any more of you? A church? A following?

Miles,

The Greek word, LOGOS, is as close to JHWH in interpretation as Christ is to Messiah, in that Christ and Messiah mean at their core ; anointing.

LOGOS and JHWH , at their core, likewise express salvation.

Jesus Christ, at the core, means salvation and anointing are one.

The Holy Spirit, at its core, is the Comforter or indwelling manifestation of that principle in the heart of the believer that has come to be recognized by the Father upon the believer, and offered in recognition of the Truth of the Son and the Father, and so said by Jesus himself to be the evidence of the fulness of God in the life of the believer, that teaches us all truth.( read John , chapter 15. Jesus is quoted here in verse 26. But when the Comforter is come , Whom I will send unto you of the Father , even the Spirit of truth , which proceedeth from the Father , he shall testify of me:)

God is Spirit, and in this image of God are we made. He is not flesh. Flesh is the realm of creation, not the being of the creator.


With that having been stipulated, I will quote for you a passage.

Hebrews 2:6-11.

6. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? (see Psalms 8:5.)

7. Thou madest him a little lower than the angels , thou crowndest him with glory and honor , and didst set him over the works of thy hands :

8. Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet . For in that he put all in subjection under him , he left nothing that is not put under him .

9. But we see Jesus , who was made a little lower than angels for the suffering of death , crowned with glory and honor ; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man .

10. For it became him , for whom are all things , and by whom are all things , in bringing many sons unto glory , to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings .

11. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one : for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren.


You see, the IMAGE was made flesh, so that flesh may see the IMAGE and differentiate the IMAGE from its carnal representation.

I don't recall biblical truths ever referred to as garbage, but rather the measure of sound doctrine in truth, as ought to be taught, Miles.

I quote :

2 Timothy3:16.All scripture is given by inspiration of God , and is profitable for doctrine , for reproof , for correction , for instruction in righteousness :

2 Timothy3:17. That the man of God may be perfect , thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Now then, if you seek to establish a new religion and utterly reject the scriptural validity of the whole of known scripture depicted in the focal point of Jesus of Nazareth's life and times, then I must remind you that you ought rather not to include Biblical scripture in your seperate and disengenuous religious position.

In other words, if your teaching does not line up with scripture, it is excluded as false teaching and to be rebuked by the man of God .

There is a dilemma for you in that you have a false pretense blinding your heart from the truth, if in fact you hold the Holy Bible to represent the truth of God to man.

The garbage is in your can, not in the Bible.

wouldee this is exactly what Christians did with the Torah.
Kind of seems like you should back other people doing the same






Don't worry though cause my thread proves that Jesus is not God.

Wooldee
Think what you want I gave you the truth and you can accept it or not. Did you know they have found recently almost all the NT in Arabic and another language. remember paul talking about babylon brethern? In that area of persia apperently when in 70ad many fled that away because they knew thier was a assembly thier. The Romans could not cross a river thier because the empire at that time was strong and that was the dividing line for the 2 empires. The NT which are several that agree show absolutely proof beyond a doubt the disciples were not writing in greek. But thier native tongue.

rabbit..yes their are many i do not know how many all over the world scattered. it has only been in the last 10 years we have been able to find each other. .. Blessings..Miles

Miles,

yup.

But you fail to mention that the Aramaic and Greek texts agree.

What you stipulate as your English translation does not harmonize the whole of both writings.

As well, the Aramaic is not complete in that it does lack the originality found of some as being of Greek writing originally.

The authoritative New Testament scriptures do possess the favorable basis for translation and they must be harmonized by the efforts of those translating the Aramaic.

Most scripture is rooted in the Old Testament and the same rules apply in that regard as well.

Those that developed the intent of the Hebrew texts to their extant did so in the Greek tongue. Paul was apprehended by Christ for such a purpose among many other purposes as well, not to mention his own salvation and love and worship of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

But you know that.

So, your point is what?

That you have no credible defence for your posture?

We both already know that.

Why be redundant?

It is unnecessarily burdensome.

To those people who do believe that Jesus was one with God. Why would he cry out that he had been forsaken.


for those who point to psalm 22 there are 2 problems

1- God is predicting what Jesus is going to say. If that statement is true then Jesus still made the statement on his own, and we are back to the question of how he could question himself if he is god

or

2- Jesus is saying what he knows is written in the Old Tetement.
In that case Jesus is just some guy that knows the Bible and that is called self fulfilling prophesy. That means that Jesus is not God

Take you pick

i pik #3

god is not real. i greatly approve of religons tactics instead of b/sing everyone y didnt they just tell ppl 2 live by the golden rule? did they have 2 lie to influence ppl to listen?

First off in Genesis 1:26 God said, "Let Us (Notice cap on Us) meaning him....for he was the only one at this point. "Let Us make man in Our Image". also (Our) capps...God. Now look at Genesis 1:27 And God created man in His image, in the image of God He created him male and female He created them.

Not quite sure what is meant by you with tithe Elohim. Which is just another name for God as there are many many names for God as well as his Son.

Now here you say Yahweh (God) has always done everything through his son. I would say incorrect as everything for GOD is done through the son.....not God. In order for salvation for humans that is done through the Savior Jesus Christ and only through him...For no one sees the Father (God) except through the Son. (Jesus)

And miles just with the lil bit of word playing you have changed the context of what the Bible says.....People need to quote scripture in order for people to truly understand the meaning of something else.

First off in Genesis 1:26 God said, "Let Us (Notice cap on Us) meaning him....for he was the only one at this point. "Let Us make man in Our Image".


Feral you tell people to trust the word of God but you don't in your own post. The Bible says Let "US make man in OUR image" that is two beings not one. Why are you always the biggest hypocrite of the words you type?



you must be very hard to understand when Me= all the people in the world And Us and OUR= a single being no wonder you can't get science straight

Rabbit,

You suggest one of two problems, but present four distinct problems which by so doing creates a fifth problem which is your incoherent delusion, as evidenced by your initial remarks at the outset of this discussion.

But I will address it in humor of your desire for ongoing attention while evidencing your willful intent to deceive the unaware and unlearned with regard to the continuity of this discussion as a whole which is already inclusive of the correct answer to your biting muse.

First, we are being misdirected to Psalms 23 in the most recent post you have engendered and remind you of your error in that you meant to say Psalms 22, as no other Psalm would contain relevance to your initial query

Second, you suggest that "Jesus still made this statement on his own". To wit you posit in reiteration that he is questioning himself. I see no context suggesting that his statement from the security of the cross was ever to be assumed made in the form of a doubt in his mind. Surely not in the original, nor in the English translations, as have already been pointed out as being self supporting as an exhortation (and not a doubt in his mind) as it is known to be referencing Psalms 22 as evidencing the validity of the moment as of divine intent.

Third, and this is what you engender a choice relative to your first supposition which is now moot and no choice remains as viable , but to entertain only one at this time ; and is referenced by you as being the second choice of two to find a singular answer, to which I shall now reply to.

Upon further perusal, you will notice that in verse 18 of Psalms 22 it says, " They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture".

Now this is not self fulfilling as it is an event rendered to have occured and fulfilled by the Roman soldiers and not by interested parties to which any stench of deceitful motive may be attached. See John19:24. as an account given by the witness , one named John, a disciple of Jesus during the time of his ministry in question, and one recorded to be present at his death on the cross.

a parallel account of this event is also givemn by another eye witness and disciple, one Matthew. (Matthew 27:35.) That it might be established as fact and testified to as by the minimum requirement of two witnesses of any truthful fact.

Matthew 27:35.

And they crucified him, and parted his garments , casting lots : that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet , They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

36. And sitting down they watched him there;


Later, after the fact, Jesus then did say, written in Matthew 27:46. The words, " Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani " being by interpretation, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?


Accordingly and fourth, your reasoning suggests an attempt at self fullfilment of prophesy, but self fulfillmenbt would not include participation of others in need of accomplishment.

That it should be suggested that the Roman soldiers were engaged in complicity with his demise is absurd. These are men under authority and quite loyal and disciplined in their regard for Roman Law and their Emporer, the caesar, that is teir God and King, and would do so at the risk of death.

Not a plausible scenerio for your incredulous jests.

Therefore , the only choice is to declare your fallacy moot and bankrupt of merit.

Since deceit is your hallmark, your further entertainment of this topic is certainly an unfruitful pursuit to maintain and seriously to be regarded as willful contempt of sound reason and logic.

Please do not hesitate to refrain from further embarrassment of your person.


Take your pick. May it be wise.









































Behold ignorance at its zenith at perusal of the following post by Rabbit. my,my,my...

Once again wouldee you stray far from the small little comment I am referring too. I am only pointing to this one comment.

"My God My God Why have YOU forsaken ME"

The rest is irrelevant. Why would he make a statement that says

myself myself why has myself forsaken me?

answer that one small question