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I have bee critised for using scripture. people wanted me to say what i mean from my knowledge. I will post all the scripture you want to show the fallicies of a trinity or whatever. So how much do you want? I will be on here maybe later today but i will answer... Blessings...Miles

Your second statement is delusional in light of your first statement.

Is it or does it 'seem' to be.

Coming from you, your last statement is equally delusional.

Your thread only proves your delusions are irreconcilable.

rabbit

Your Question is a hard to be understood question. It is though a important one!!!!!!! Blessings..Miles

No hypocrite here....just people not understanding what they are reading.....And I also notice how convenient it was for you to leave out Genesis 1:27 And God created man in His image of God He created him; male and female He (God) created them.

Hi, kitty kat.

here ye be.

It is so, then, that the dead bury the dead even when they don't appear to be dead.

Everyone is giving you scripture to show you.....but you probably don't even look at it before you have a nasty comeback......You will never know.....Because just like abra, and voile and most people who think their intelligence outweighs anything......Read Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, "I praise Thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth. That thou dist hide these things from the wise and intelligent and didst reveal them to babes.

Everyone is giving you scripture to show you.....

Jesus is being scarcastic when he says "wise and intelligent". Jesus' point is that those with faith are trusting, like a child. People with faith are willing to accept the Bible and the truth is revealed to them. Those who consider themselves too smart for the Bible will never understand it.

Everyone is giving you scripture to show you.....




That's for all you intellectuals to figure out...but I will give you one hint....what you think it means is not what it means.

spider you gave it away............the smarties were supposed to figure it out for themselves.....

I gave away nothing. Abra won't understand, because he can't understand. That's the way God wants it and God gets what God wants. Until you subordinate yourself to God and say "You are in charge and I'll trust you" the Bible is gibberish and contradictions at best. At worst, you have people who are pantheists, gnostics, pagans, shamans, satanists, legalists, atheists, etc taking the Bible and claiming it for their own. Those people cloud the debate with rediculous interpretations of scripture which have nothing to do with the true meaning. I looked on a Gnostic website and they encouraged the readers to remember that each verse stands on it's own. A Christian knows that the whole Bible is one giant tapestry, which is ONE picture. So I gave away nothing. I responded to your gibberish from the Bible with gibberish of my own and without God allowing one to see, that is all anyone will ever see.

This is so typical of the Christian attitude. The finger-pointing arrogance again. Like as if God has a ‘secret’ that only Christians know. Yeah right. What a bunch of egotists!



Explain to me why God would expect anyone to have ‘faith’ in an ancient Mediterranean Mythology that clearly parallels all the other folklore of the period and even from millennia before that?

Christianity creates the most arrogant bigots I’ve ever met. Surely that can’t be what God favors.

If those are the kind of people that your God prefers then I can clearly say that your God wants nothing to do with me. If heaven is going to be filled with people who think they are better than everyone else then I’m quite happy knowing that I won’t be there with them. I think Satan must have figured out the problem with heaven and decided to get out himself. He obviously made the right decision!

You people make Christianity appear to be quite repulsive. Is that your mission or what?

How come we never see any Christians on here preaching the love of Christ?

All I ever see are people spitting in the face of Jesus and then claiming that they speak for him.

Somehow the whole religion got way off track. It appears to have deteriorated into a club of egotists who think they are better than others.

Amen, Smiles, you are correct. Thanks.

Abra, let me remind you that you thought the scripture in question was about Romans and Jews. It wasn't. All I have said is exactly what Jesus said. Those who aren't open to the truth, those who aren't willing to give up all preconceived notions and accept Jesus and the Bible as they are, will never understand the Bible. That shouldn't matter to you, since you reject the Bible to begin with. So cheer up man, it's the weekend.

google "forsaken me explanation" first result is as follows...

Question:

Why does Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Response:

This is a very good question. Obviously, Jesus' words from the cross are especially significant. Everything in scripture and everything Jesus said is important, but we can be sure that His final words have special prophetic significance, and this is certainly so in the case of the quote you ask about.

When Jesus says "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?", He is, as you no doubt already know, quoting from Psalm 22 (verse 1 in the English versions). This is important to understand, because Psalm 22 is a prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion. The rejection of the Messiah by the people (v.6), the insults they hurled at Him on the cross (vv.7-8 - compare with Matt.27:38-43), the pain of the crucifixion (vv.14-15), the piercing of His hands and feet (v.16), the dividing up of His clothing by lot (v.18) are just some of the more obvious parallels this Psalm prophesies. Jesus knew exactly what was going to happen to Him because He understood this Psalm and how it applied to His death on our behalf (cf. Matt.20:18-19). By quoting Psalm 22, our Lord makes this clear, and makes it clear to all who would later hear these words of His that He was well aware that He would have to die on our behalf in order to save us - for this reason He came into the world (Jn.3:16-17).

Some people very wrongly take this quote you ask about to be a sign of desperation on our Lord's part in His hour of trial - but nothing could be further from the truth. These words from our Savior make it clear beyond doubt that, on the one hand, He understood why He had to suffer - this was His mission - and, on the other hand, that He was supremely confident of the Father's ultimate deliverance of Him through the resurrection of His body before it had even seen decay (Ps.16; cf. Act 2:24-31), for the second half of Psalm 22 is hymn of victory (vv.22-31). These words, therefore, were spoken entirely for our benefit, that we might know that Jesus was delivered over through the will of God (Matt.20:28), willing accepted this mission for our sake (Matt.26:42), and had complete and unbreakable faith in the deliverance that awaited Him. These words were spoken that we might believe in Him and might emulate His faith and confidence in God's deliverance even in the most terrible of circumstances. For if God delivered over His own Son to death that we might live, how would He not then give us everything (Rom.8:32)?

It is also important to note that this quote precedes by only slight moments the exhaling of His spirit, and follows the three hours of darkness that cloaked our Lord's most intense suffering on the cross. What this means is that "why hast Thou forsaken Me?" is really better translated "why did You forsake Me?", a sense that is common in the Hebrew perfect tense in the original Psalm 22:1 quote. Therefore Jesus' use of this quote is really not even a question in the true sense. He is not asking for an answer or an explanation of what has happened - He knows very well why He was allowed to suffer on the cross. Rather rather these words are an explanation for us: "Do you want to know why God allowed Me to be crucified? It was to save you!" This interpretation is confirmed by Jesus final statement on the cross which comes almost immediately after the Psalm 22:1 quote and is recorded in Luke 23:46: "Father, into Thy hands I commit my spirit". This is also a quote from the Psalms, Psalm 31:5, to be precise, and is a statement not only of Jesus' impending departure from life, but a statement of victorious trust in the One in whom He trusted, the One He knew would shortly deliver His humanity through resurrection. For although Jesus does not complete the quote of this verse, its remaining words would have been well known to any and all who had studied the Psalms, "You have redeemed Me, O Lord God of truth." Jesus was supremely confident of the deliverance of His body from death, and passes that confidence on to us in all of these final words from the cross. "Why hast Thou forsaken" looks back at Jesus successful endurance of the cross, His victory over sin for us, while "into Thy hands [... Thou has redeemed Me]", looks forward to His impending victory over death for us through His resurrection, just as Paul explains it:

He was handed over on account of our transgressions (i.e., to redeem us from sin), and was raised up on account of our justification (i.e., so that we too could be raised, having been justified by His death). Romans 4:25

The body of Psalm 22 that follows verse one, relating all the particulars of our Lord’s ordeal of the cross (vv.2-21), and the promise of victory that follows (vv.22-31), gives the explanation for the "why?" of the first verse. In quoting Psalm 22:1 from the cross, Jesus is giving us an explanation for the need for His death on our behalf, a reminder of the magnitude of His sacrifice, and a victory hymn, a victorious proclamation of His successful accomplishment of the mission given Him by the Father. Why was He forsaken? He was forsaken for you and me! And with these words Jesus makes it clear that the Father’s sacrifice of Him and His offering Himself up in sacrifice were not accidental but part of, indeed the heart of the plan of God, the price above prices paid for our salvation.

[Future generations] will come and proclaim [God’s] righteousness to people not yet born, for He has accomplished it (i.e., salvation)! Psalm 22:31

This final verse of Psalm 22 is also alluded to on the cross by our Lord, at the end of His ordeal of bearing our sins and just before His exhaling of His spirit and just after receiving the water with vinegar when He says "It (i.e., salvation) has been accomplished" (Jn.19:30). Jesus knew very well that unless His own Father forsook Him and handed Him over to judgment, there could be no redemption, and all whom He had come to save would be lost. Without His being forsaken, salvation could never be accomplished. Thus these words "why have You forsaken Me", far from expressing doubt, show beyond all question the unfathomably deep love our Savior had for you and me, for He knew from the very beginning what it would take from Him to rescue us from death.

Rabbit this is what we Yahwists of the Way are trying to bring back. It has to be so for Yahshua's return.It is pretty straight foward.. Tell me woodee how i distorted these commands?

Mal 3:6-7

6 "I Yahweh do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. 7 Ever since the time of your forefathers you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you," says Yahweh Almighty.
NIV

Yahweh does not change.

Mal 4:1 - Matt 1:1
:1 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says Yahweh Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name ( REVERE WHAT?) , the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. 3 Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things," says Yahweh Almighty.

4 "Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel. ( why when Yahshua returns should we remember the Law of Moses?)

5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of Yahweh comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
NIV

The curse what is that? where or why does it come? Does the bcurse fly? Blessings....Miles

Everyone is giving you scripture to show you.....




abra,

the only way to remain lucid in a delusion and stay in context is to refute the delusion with a lucid argument from within that context.

Here, being the Bible itself.

Should we be delusional as well by quoting Homer? I'm being quite facetious and somewhat sarcastic, but lucidity is found only within a specific context.

Hope that helps. I know, we are all delusional, according to your personal conclusions. But then, we do not stand on your personal conclusions and must be altogether delusional to you.

That is lucid as I can be to you, my friend.

You are good at quoting scripture via search engines, but you seem to be quite inept at conveying it’s spirit.

You use the words of Jesus as an egotistical weapon.

How sad.

Once again my friend you hit it on the nail.....And I guess I understood because..........duh I give it to God yea thats the ticket......