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Topic: Jesus is not God here's proof...
Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Fri 12/14/07 08:32 PM
Elohim is plural in Genisis. I have never said it was not. Elohim and it's meaning depends on the flow of it's in the words before and after it. Yahshua said he was Elohim. Then quote psalms as to why. It means Judge a rightous Judge also. yahweh himself in Exodus refers to himself as Yahweh Elohim. THis is singular. As Yahshua was speaking for the father. It is not a hard concept to understand..Blessings..Miles

INEEDLOVEFROMYOU Joined Sun 11/04/07 Posts: 85	Fri 12/14/07 09:13 PM
Most people have never heard the word Elohim,it is good to know I'm not the only one who studies in the original word,new translations loose much of the true meaning.Do you use a Strongs Exhaustive Concordance?The book or on computer?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 12/14/07 09:16 PM
No matter if Jesus is willing to take a back seat to the "father "or not he still could not feel forsaken. He knows all of Gods thoughts. Really? Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Fri 12/14/07 09:18 PM
Shalom I started with books years ago but now use a computer program. I think i am going to buy another one this one i have is harder than it use to be to find things and it has changed.I have heard one that is called bibleworks is the best. Blessings.. Miles

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Fri 12/14/07 09:19 PM
hey Good one Spider.. Blessings Miles

INEEDLOVEFROMYOU Joined Sun 11/04/07 Posts: 85	Fri 12/14/07 09:23 PM
All concordance's aren't the same that is why I use the book most of the time Email me some tome I love to talk[type]religion.TRULY Kenny

howlandp Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 147	Fri 12/14/07 09:26 PM
haha you said 'Jesus' 'God' and 'proof' in the same sentence

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Fri 12/14/07 09:32 PM
The best reference book i know of is the Englishmans concordance. A strongs concordance when you look for a word looks for the english word. a englishmans and word you look for goes to the original language and shows you all the different ways that word was translated. It is my favorite. shalom...Miles

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 12/14/07 09:34 PM
haha you said 'Jesus' 'God' and 'proof' in the same sentence That's three of the words in the thread name, can you tell us the other three?

howlandp Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 147	Fri 12/14/07 09:36 PM
rabbit, eloquence and... unicorn?

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Sat 12/15/07 12:52 PM
I would like to see a unicorn.. Shalom..Miles

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sat 12/15/07 04:05 PM
No matter if Jesus is willing to take a back seat to the "father "or not he still could not feel forsaken. He knows all of Gods thoughts. Really? Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Again I say unto you. If he knew all Gods thoughts before that "hour" and up to that "hour" then even if they were blocked off during that "hour" Did he forget all that he knew, some type of amnesia over took him and as soon as he separated in this way he forgot what he knew about his connection to god and then had fear that he was Forsaken.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Sat 12/15/07 04:18 PM
No matter if Jesus is willing to take a back seat to the "father "or not he still could not feel forsaken. He knows all of Gods thoughts. Really? Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Again I say unto you. If he knew all Gods thoughts before that "hour" and up to that "hour" then even if they were blocked off during that "hour" Did he forget all that he knew, some type of amnesia over took him and as soon as he separated in this way he forgot what he knew about his connection to god and then had fear that he was Forsaken. He didn't forget his connection to God, he was no longer connected. God turned away from Jesus, because Jesus had taken on all of the sins of those who are saved. From the beginning of time to the day of judgement, all of those sins were placed upon Jesus. God can't look upon sin, so God had to turn his face away from Jesus. Jesus as a man was still God, but he was also a man. It's called the Hypostatic union. While Jesus lived as a man, he had to pray to commune with God the father. Jesus had to speak to Demons to cast them out of the possessed. Everything that Jesus did, we can also do. It is due to our sins and our lack of faith that we cannot. Jesus wasn't acting as God on earth, he was living a perfect human life.

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sat 12/15/07 05:42 PM
So your saying we can all walk on water, turn water in to wine, raise people from the dead, heal the lame, make the blind see with spit, feed larg groups of people with only some wonder bread and a can of tuna. You are sure that is your full potential?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Sat 12/15/07 05:45 PM
So your saying we can all walk on water, turn water in to wine, raise people from the dead, heal the lame, make the blind see with spit, feed larg groups of people with only some wonder bread and a can of tuna. You are sure that is your full potential? It's the full potential of every living human being. I can't do any of those things, because I sin and my faith isn't perfect. I believe that the New Testament is clear that those things Jesus did are within the realm of possiblity for all humans.

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sat 12/15/07 07:06 PM
How about babies. They must be sin free. They can do all these miracles?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Sat 12/15/07 07:35 PM Edited by Spidercmb on Sat 12/15/07 07:35 PM
How about babies. They must be sin free. They can do all these miracles? Do they have faith in God? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2007/07/01/scibaby101.xml Babies not as innocent as they pretend Whether lying about raiding the biscuit tin or denying they broke a toy, all children try to mislead their parents at some time. Yet it now appears that babies learn to deceive from a far younger age than anyone previously suspected. Behavioural experts have found that infants begin to lie from as young as six months. Simple fibs help to train them for more complex deceptions in later life. Until now, psychologists had thought the developing brains were not capable of the difficult art of lying until four years old. ...

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sun 12/16/07 12:09 PM
So babies lack faith and you think 6mo olds are lairs? Do you even realize what your religion makes you say?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Sun 12/16/07 12:43 PM
I wonder how a God who is portrayed as not being able to turn his 'face' towards sin could be able to walk 'with' humans during the time prior to their 'salvation'? Since he 'never turns his back on us'... why would he turn his back on himself and/or Jesus?

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Sun 12/16/07 01:38 PM
So babies lack faith and you think 6mo olds are lairs? Do you even realize what your religion makes you say? Unfortunately religions can become an obsession for some people who will take them far beyond the realm of reason. When people get to the point where they need to make babies out to be sinners to justify their dogma the religion has crossed over the line from having any spiritual value to becoming nothing more than a devilish cult. We’ve seen how religious fanaticism can easily be used in evil ways. One only need to hear names like Jim Jones and David Koresh to know that just because someone claims to speak for Christianity that doesn’t make it so. When the religion becomes nothing more than a defense for the Christ I think it has lost any spiritual value. That certainly wasn’t the purpose of Jesus. This is just a contortion for what the man stood for in the first place. It wasn’t the point of Jesus to prove that little babies are sinners. How disgusting. A religion gone awry.