wouldee,

YVWH is God. Period. Both father and son are YVWH. Isaiah 44:6 proves that, both are called LORD (YVWH).



Because I disagree with you, I'm emotional?

Taking lessons from Voil and Abra again? Is your personal philosophy "Demonize and trivalize anyone who disagrees with you"?

Next time, if you disagree with me, just say "I disagree", there is no reason for you to try to insult me.

The only thing that your statement proves is that you have concluded that you don't have proof of your proof.

In other words, your authority over ancient texts that have survived the rigors of time have only come to be expounded by the great rabbit as gibberish.

Without a competent witness of corroborating evidence to the contrary, the authenticity of Biblical events is beyond your judgement.

Like it or not, you are not excused from learning what your own life means tto you.

Please focus on that, as opposed to pontificating on your opinions of yourself as the Great One serving humanity.

Write your own version with your life. Live it and prove yourself.

Wasting your time, dispelling the distaste for Christianity as a goal and purpose in life makes you a servant to the bondage of your own doubts and fears.


What an incredible waste of time.

It's embarrassing to watch you flog yourself in this manner.

you know whats funny Wouldee my definition of evil is something that just works against things. Never working to create. So In this situation I am my own definition of evil. However Christianity is unstoppable and unless people stand up to it it will only do more damage. So as much as you would like me to go away I won't. My opinion is as valid as yours. Someone needs to point out how damaging and hurtful Christianity is.

Hey wouldee...

What did you eat for breakfast this morning? A side of argumentative?

You seem a little 'out of sorts' from usual...

Ya alright?

It's not an insult. It was an objective comment of a common problem. Wear it if you like. The context was otherwise.

Meanwhile, go study the point and chew on it and not a minor error in your judgement.

Responding to the most insignificant mention within my posted response is telling, Spider.


Equating my words to my other friends in JSH is quite revealing as well. What it reveals, I haven't a clue. You brought it up.

Why that is relevant or appropriate is highly suspect.

Do you deflect everything with spin, or just that which requires effort?

Answer that after you finish your lessons in Exodus 3:14. as suggested.

There is no need to answer this latest question, in any other case, as it is merely a rhetorical observation made abut your perceived evasiveness of scholastic accountability and ones own personal responsibility for sound authorship of dialogue and interpretation of such an immovable object as the Holy Bible.

Other's agree with you that Christianity is "damaging and hurtful". Do you agree with the solution proposed below?

Jesus was quoting the old test.,while on the cross if you want the # where you can find it Email me or post it.I am well versed on the Bible and love to share the word or God.

Im afraid I don't believe in killing.

Wow!...

Good thing I am extremely busy today...

You guys have fun...

Latah!!

wouldee,

Blah, blah, blah.

Did you read Isaiah 44:6?

I love you man, you have so many fooled. You attack me by claiming that by posting Isaiah 44:6, but I'm being emotional? It's so funny, I can't even get my mind fully around it. Somehow, when you quote the bible, you are being "scholarly" but when I do the same, I'm being "emotional". Honestly, you can't see the irony in your own statements?

Isaiah 44:6 uses "YVWH" for LORD twice. Once for the King of Israel and once for His redeemer. Two beings, both called "YVWH". Sorry man, believe whatever you like, but you can't get anymore clear than Isaiah 44:6. Maybe you should read Romans 14 and stop attacking and insulting anyone who disagrees with you.

Naw.....I'm bored.

I read what you said earlier and tried to respond, but gave up when my keyboard responded quite fortuitously to an inadvertant bump.

Nevertheless, nothing personal.

Just in the mood to dispell shallow assumptions made by certain pontificators of the book that seems to have sequestered so much emotional outcry in the hearts and minds of so many.

I want proof from these self described authorities on the Word, and not in private, either.

They're putting it out and playing around.

So I'm playing too.

But not playing around with ignorance.

You know I let it all be good.

I respect that.

To each his own.

But some things beg an answer, and the things I'm bringing up in the last two days have a purpose that is being ignored.


It won't change a thing, anyway.

The conflict is way HUGE!!!!!!

The conflict is what it is.

Life is wat it is.

The outcome is what it is.

I want to hear some scholarship from the pontificators of Biblical truth. I want the depth of their understanding.

I'm not receiving that.

It is not there.

But I'm bored with reading so much diatribe.

They duck it my friend, as you know.

It's neither here nor there.

It is what it is.

I am just a speck on the map.

You've learned so much from Voil and Abra, you must be their padawan, young Jedi.

I've never described myself as an authority on the Word. I have read the Bible, I have studied apologetics and I have my own opinions. I don't believe that Miles has ever made that claim either. Yet, we are both entitled to our own opinions on what the Bible means. I disagree with Miles on many things, honestly, he sometimes gets under my skin. But I don't have the arrogance to all him a kid and I wouldn't accuse him of being "emotional" for posting scripture.

Spider,

You are clowning yourself.

Isaiah44:6 has nothing to do with your lack of understanding of the personage of JHWH.

It is only another example of what is stipulated in scripture.

Your delusional in your insuistence on making it personal.

Sit down.

Study Exodus 3:14 and learn something.

I made it easy. Got to the # of posts on my avatar and read the entry for 3:30pm on 12/7/07 or study it yourself.



Wherever your head is, mine is not.

What ever you are dancing with, I'm not.

You and Miles are incorrect.

Period.

Irrefutable without scholastic investigation, and the error remains yours.

I don't care what you believe.

Believe a lie, it changes nothing for me.

Spin it. Not a problem.

Toy with me. You still have the error.

Argue until you are blue in the face. You are still in error.

So what? It's no big deal. Who cares?


It changes nothing what you think of me.

It changes everything if you study and learn something.

I did my part.

I showed you something.

Do what you will with it.

Anytime you want to ask me a question about my home taught,understanding of the word send me a Email about your question and I will post what I think.I don't know every thing but I do live in the word.Try Shepherds Chapel Network,online or on TV.He is the only TV guy I trust. TRULY Kenny

wouldee,

I think I understand your post...are you saying that Jesus spoke to Moses from the burning bush?

That would be silly spider even I know that didn't happen

wouldee,

If you are planning to write a long answer, please don't. I just need a yes/no. Are you saying that Jesus spoke to Moses from the burning bush? Is that the argument which we are having?

http://www.yahweh.org/publications/sny/sn09Chap

Ex 20:5
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This is taken directly from Ex 20:5 We see when Yahweh refers to his name he calls himself Yahweh Elohim #'s 3068= Yahweh #430 = Elohim
OT:430

OT:430 <yh!l)a$ 'elohiym (el-o-heem'); plural of OT:433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:




OT:3068 ho*hy= Yehovah (yeh-ho-vaw'); from OT:1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God:


KJV - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare OT:3050, OT:3069.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Thier is no question that Yahweh calls himself Yahweh Elohim.. The lying pen of the scribe has altered Yahweh's word and Yahweh's Holy spirit through men will and has to bring the ways of old back before Yahshua returns.

Mal 3:13-4:6

13 Your words have been stout against me, saith Yahweh. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee?
14 Ye have said, It is vain to serve Elohim: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before Yahweh of hosts?
15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt Elohim are even delivered.
16 Then they that feared Yahweh spake often one to another: and Yahweh hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared Yahweh, and that thought upon his name.
17 And they shall be mine, saith Yahweh of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth Elohim and him that serveth him not.

Malachi 4

4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you EliYah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

KJV
Even here in these teachings people do not know the significance of names in the bible. EliYah Literally means Yahweh is Elohim his successor Elishua literally means Elohim is salvation.. Who was John the Baptizer and who came and got a double portion of the spirit Yahshua. They will call his name Emmanuel which means Elohim is with us. If you all do not believe all the prophets names did not have a great significance to thier names in which now we have no idea what they mean look up all these in a Biblical dictionary or one of thier names and see what they mean for your self.

Elijah-Eliyah- My El or Elohim is Yahweh
All these names end in iah which should be yah to defeat the meaning of who and what these prophets were
Nehemiah
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Obadiah
Zephaniah
Zechariah

These are just a few names that end in El thier is a reason.
Ezekiel
Daniel
Joel

Look up all these names and see what they mean. You will be suprised.

But to say Elohim Yahweh did not call himself that is wrong as you can see at the beginning of this.

Yahshua when he came in the OT he came as an ambassader from Yahweh. Just the same as he came but this time being born and being tempted as we are. When he spoke in the old testament he spoke as if he was Yahweh. When he came later as a babe. He came as a only begotton son to die on a tree. Everyone who dies on a tree is accursed. Must be brought down and buried before sundown and being sinless he took away the penalty for sin. DEATH. He did not take away the law. The law is how we know what sin is. He took the penalty upon himself and Yahweh granted us a pardon from the death penalty if we will only believe and obey. Thier is no such thing as once saved always saved or thier can not be a great falling away before Yahshua returns.

Remember Yahshua did not get on to the common people . No he called the Religious ELITE Vipers and he calls them that in the day before his comming also..

Mal 2:1-3:3
2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith Yahweh of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith Yahweh of hosts.
5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.
6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of Yahweh of hosts.
8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith Yahweh of hosts.
9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.
10 Have we not all one father? hath not one Elohim created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of Yahweh which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange diety.
12 Yahweh will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto Yahweh of hosts.
13 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of Yahweh with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.
14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because Yahweh hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a holy seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
16 For Yahweh, the Elohim of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith Yahweh of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
17 Ye have wearied Yahweh with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of Yahweh, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the Elohim of judgment?

Malachi 3

3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and Yahweh, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith Yahweh of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto Yahweh an offering in righteousness.
KJV

Mal 3:4-6

4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith Yahweh of hosts.

6 For I am Yahweh, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
KJV

Yahweh changes not and one last look at James.

James 1:21-27

Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before Yahweh and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
NKJV

He is the same Yesterday ,Today and Tommorrow.
We do live in a world that calls good evil and evil good.
Believe and the truth will set you free.

May Yahweh Of Hosts Give us a Pure Heart of His Gold.... Blessings and Shalom....Miles

Wow. I just started reading the original question and am amazed by the deviation from it. I don't know what the objective of it was on your part Rabbit. I mostly agree with your original point that Jesus is not God and scrolling through all the posts in which people just seem to reply with walls of texts via copy and paste just made me want to sleep.

Though I personally do believe in God and in Jesus, I don't subscribe to them being one and the same. Too many instances in the bible that does not fit logically if they are one and the same.

Then you should talk to Miles he is on your same track






I personally think that Jesus was just some guy. However I would have to say Miles has the only explanation that makes any sense within the context of the Bible.