Cowboy...Let's say you are married and have a 2

year old little baby girl..and 2 thuds with masks on ,

broke into your house in the middle of the night,and

started beating you and rapng your wife, and even picked up

and started throwing your child against the wall...

and your wife and child both cried out to you to please help

them both in their agony....

would you still turn the other cheek?

Why make it personal? I never mentioned any other person in particular. It is what God's law is as I've shown. What I would or wouldn't do is irrelevant.

MorningSong... Let's say you were single... You had a great number of students.

Some religious nuts came around saying that you were a blasphemer.

The plotted to kill you and actually tried numerous times.

They twisted scripture to condemn your words and incited the entire town you were in to riot.

They convince the government that although you broke no laws, you deserved to die.

You had a chance to run, yet you don't. You have a chance to fight back with all the power in the universe, yet you keep quiet.

Would you turn the other cheek?




Figure out the answer to that question and maybe you'll understand Yeshua's message...

There is a difference between a spiritual

warfare and physical warfare :


I deal with spiritual warfare this way:

(which CLEARLY shows that even in spiritual warfare, we are

NOT to just sit around and do absolutely nothing )

..............


For though we walk (live) in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using mere human weapons. For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds.
2 Corinthians 10: 3-4






Be well balanced (temperate, sober of mind), be vigilant and cautious at all times; for that enemy of yours, the devil, roams around like a lion roaring [in fierce hunger], seeking someone to seize upon and devour. Withstand him; be firm in faith [against his onset--rooted, established, strong, immovable, and determined], knowing that the same (identical) sufferings are appointed to your brotherhood (the whole body of Christians) throughout the world. 1 Peter 5: 8-9






Blessed be the Lord, my Rock and my keen and firm Strength, Who teaches my hands to war and my fingers to fight Psalm 144: 1






Put on God's whole armor [the armor of a heavy-armed soldier which God supplies], that you may be able successfully to stand up against [all] the strategies and the deceits of the devil. Ephesians 6: 11






For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6: 12(NKJV)






Stand therefore [hold your ground], having tightened the belt of truth around your loins and having put on the breastplate of integrity and of moral rectitude and right standing with God. Ephesians 6: 14






You shall not fear them, for the Lord your God shall fight for you. Deuteronomy 3: 22






Fight the good fight of the faith; lay hold of the eternal life to which you were summoned and [for which] you confessed the good confession [of faith] before many witnesses.
1 Timothy 6: 12






I have fought the good (worthy, honorable, and noble) fight, I have finished the race, I have kept (firmly held) the faith.
2 Timothy 4: 7






[And indeed] the Lord will certainly deliver and draw me to Himself from every assault of evil. He will preserve and bring me safe unto His heavenly kingdom. To Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen (so be it).
2 Timothy 4: 18






[God] disarmed the principalities and powers that were ranged against us and made a bold display and public example of them, in triumphing over them in Him and in it [the cross]. Colossians 2: 15






My God, my Rock, in Him will I take refuge; my Shield and the Horn of my salvation; my Stronghold and my Refuge, my Savior--You save me from violence. 2 Samuel 22: 3






I call on the Lord, Who is worthy to be praised, and I am saved from my enemies.
2 Samuel 22: 4






So be subject to God. Resist the devil [stand firm against him], and he will flee from you. James 4: 7






So [as the result of the Messiah's intervention] they shall [reverently] fear the name of the Lord from the west, and His glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him and put him to flight [for He will come like a rushing stream which the breath of the Lord drives]. Isaiah 59: 19






You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
~ 1 John 4:4 (NKJV)






For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
~ 1 John 5:4-5 (NKJV)






But thanks be to God, Who gives us the victory [making us conquerors] through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15: 57






But thanks be to God, Who in Christ always leads us in triumph [as trophies of Christ's victory] and through us spreads and makes evident the fragrance of the knowledge of God everywhere. 2 Corinthians 2: 14






No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is from Me,” says the LORD. ~ Isaiah 54:17 (NKJV)






Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. ~ Luke 10:19 (NKJV)

First off, sorry for the blank messages, computer is messing up.

Secondly, none of these verses provided supports physical harm on another, even if it's in self defense.

Cowboy.

Jesus did not come to bring the law.

Rather to fulfil it.

Exortations of behavior are not laws.

Jesus came to fulfill and give us a new. What would be the point in only fulfilling? If only fulfilling accured, we would be lawless now.

Really.

I admit that I can not quote you verse and line yet I know that Jesus did not come as the Law Giver but as the Saviour.

However if you focus on a small frame you miss the big picture.

Jesus is Ascended.

What you chose to do with the Grace that his Advent brought is up to you.

Yet to do it.

You must follow his footsteps beyond his death.

Else you see only the small picture and miss the Heavenly Glory.

I have faith, I need not worry about the enemy.

Actually( reguardng the post made earlier), when it

comes to fighting in self defense, none of can be really

sure of how we woud react in that particular situation ,

until we are actually in that situation.


I believe God would help us know just what to do in

that particular moment....but not until then are we really

able to know just exactly how we would defend

ourselves....and until then,we can ony speculate .

But I also believe that the more we allow ourselves to be drawn

into God's Presence, the more God's Love overwhelms us and

fills us up to overflowing....

so much so in fact ,

that we would find that we couldn't even kill a tiny little

bug if we had to....



BUT we still live in a fallen world, and despite the love in

us that comes from God now, we could not and would not and

should not even hesistate for a second ,when it comes to

rising up and defending our loved ones if need be....

Period !!!

And for one to even question whether one should defend a

loved one or not, is just utter foolishness beyond belief.

God had Dominion over Man and gave Man dominion over the animals but what does Dominion means or constitute,

does Man Dominion over animals means that Man can do what he wish to do with the animals, torture torment kill and eat them and because Man has Dominion and make the rules that this blood lust would never constitute as being Murder....or does Dominion mean that Man rule over the animals

whatever one believes Man dominion over animals to be, then the same would apply to God Dominion over Man

one could argue that God created animals as stupid beasts but that is when the logic of the bible comes into play in the story of Adam and Eve when the serpent talked and conversate with Eve therefore placing animals on the same level as Man

so here's the question

If either Adam and Eve intentionally killed the "serpent animal" after they took from the fruit....would it had been Murder ...and why or why not

your answer will display whether killing an animal constitutes as being murder

since some bibles calls God's Helper "The Holy Spirit" and other bibles refer to it as being "The Holy Ghost"

does not both mean the same?

so why would the same not apply to "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and "Thou Shalt Not Murder"

especially since you can find either term used in the same exact spot, in the same exact passage depending on which bible you look in

Cowboy wrote:





Cowboy..you are taking that scripture completely

out of context!!!!

THAT scripture does NOT even apply to times of war..DO a

STUDY on the meaning of the WHOLE context that the scripture

was taken out of........and not just use the scripture alone.


LISTEN UP:

TAKING A SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT THEN ALLOWS ONE TO MAKE

THE SCRIPTURE SAY ANY OLE THING ONE WANTS IT TO SAY !!!!!

I have to agree with Cowboy on this one.....if Heaven is such a wonderful place then why do believers do everything not to get there

this is why I never understood why believers go to the doctor...isn't the Doctor's job to keep you out of Heaven or at least delay your arrival ...

this is why going to the doctor is a lack of Faith

which is why if someone is trying to kill you or your family...you are supposed to turn the other cheek ...because God is trying to bring you home

Funches... a word in one part of scripture, may

have a totally different meaning when used in another part

of scripture..

that is why it is important to look at the whole

context ...not just part of scripture or just a word in scripture...

Cowboy is completely misunderstanding what turning the

other cheek means....and is therefore makng God's Word look like

a bunch of FOOLISHNESS .......I already suggested that he

do a proper study on the meaning...and not take that

scripture out of context like he did....



ps...there is FAITH ..and then there is sheer and utter

FOOLISHNESS, when it comes to studying and rightly

dividing the Word of God, and rightly understanding the

meaning of scriptures !!!


This is why one needs the Holy Spirit ....The Holy Spirit gives

the RIGHT Interpretation of God's Word!!

Plus..there is a difference between being under GRACE....

and being STILL under the letter of the law.....


trying to earn ones way thru good works and by trying to keep

the law, does NOT please God one bit !!!!


Trying to obey by the keeping of the law is just dead

religious works to God...nothing more....IF a person is not

born again .


No one can earn their way by the keeping of the law....

that is why man must be born again.


THEN one is under Grace......and God's law is now written on the

tablet of his heart...



God wants us to receive His Son...trying to earn one way by the

keeping of the law without receiving His Son ,doesn't do a thing for God.....

since both "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and "Thou Shalt not Murder" can both be found in the same exact spot no matter which bible you look in....then that would mean that both are in the exact same context and therefore have the same exact meaning and purpose

it would be the same as claiming that The Holy Spirit and The Holy Ghost do not have the same meaning simply because the terms are both used in different bibles

that's why it's impossible to murder without killing ...they both mean the same thing and the end results of each are the same "Death"