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As we have seen on here and in our own lives, no one can get into another person's mind and alter what they believe, so, in answer to your question in the title, yes, there is a right(by default) to believe what you want.
Now is practicing said religion in it's entirety a right, probably not if it involves hurting others. Christianity wants to have an exception to this because they would like to ostracize and alter or break those who do not live as they would like them to. IE gays for example. If they could only get Christianity to be named the state religion of this country and get it into every institution and gathering place of people they could control the whole country. Hurting many along the way. But not to hear them tell it of course. |
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msharmony said: relevance? explain how someone can steal without taking but taking is not a crime and STEALING is If I take the camera out of my desk, that is not illegal if I take YOUR camera, without your permission, that is illegal and called 'stealing' Chocolina said: Till here you didn't explain " how someone can steal without taking" You explain the difference between 'take' and 'steal' Now pls one more try ... How someone can steal without to take it ? msharmony said: you can kill without murdering,, just as you can take without stealing Here I'm lost in your logic twist Msharmony   Cowboy said: It is true, you can "kill" without murdering. But you can only take without stealing if what you're taking is your own. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner CowboyGH The miracle of twisting logic continue ... because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow You can not "murder" a cow. Murder - The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. It is not unlawful to kill a cow, neither in man's law or God's law. So again, one could not "murder" a cow. Then why you gave so foolish example abt 'murder' and 'killing' using a cow if you can't 'murder' it ? Give me now the same example abt for humans |
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I don't follow any "version" of the bible, I follow the scriptures, the message. I prefer KJV because it has been translated less then say the new international, ect. so Cowboy reveal which version of the bible you are using That states "Thou Shalt Not Murder" Have I posted a verse that says thou shalt not murder? No, I have not. Again, the time's have changed dramatically in language. Doesn't matter if it says kill or murder. For there was no difference at that time. The ONLY difference between killing and murder is in our sociaty now. "Murder" is the unlawful taking of a life. There is no "legal" form of killing when it comes to God. For he is our only judge. Just because someome raped or murdered your family, doesn't give you the right to punish them with death. Killing is killing, bottom line. Doesn't matter if it's "legal" or "illegal" according to our sociaty. Cowboy we are talking about what's in the bible not what's in the law book ....if the bible states that thou shalt not kill...then why are you even arguing about it First of all, I'm not arguing about anything. Just shedding light on termonology. And it does not matter if the scriptures say thou shalt not kill or thou shalt not murder. Heck "murder" might no have even been a word at that time. Murder is the unlawful taking of another's life. You can ONLY murder another human being, not an animal, not a bug, not a flower, only a human being. And again, the termonology "murder" may not have been used at that time. So the only close word that could be used is kill. if "your" God commands to you that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" then you are supposed to follow that command and not do the work of Satan by shedding light on terminology that "your" God did not instruct you to follow..... What are you talking about Funches? They didn't even have the term "murder" when God gave these laws to the world. So if God would have spelt it out, thou shalt not murder, they wouldn't have a foggiest idea what he was meaning. that's why they translated it into English...and that is why I asked you for the version of the bible that you followed that states..."Thou Shalt Not Murder" and if you can not supply it....then why are you even arguing about it |
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msharmony said: relevance? explain how someone can steal without taking but taking is not a crime and STEALING is If I take the camera out of my desk, that is not illegal if I take YOUR camera, without your permission, that is illegal and called 'stealing' Chocolina said: Till here you didn't explain " how someone can steal without taking" You explain the difference between 'take' and 'steal' Now pls one more try ... How someone can steal without to take it ? msharmony said: you can kill without murdering,, just as you can take without stealing Here I'm lost in your logic twist Msharmony Cowboy said: It is true, you can "kill" without murdering. But you can only take without stealing if what you're taking is your own. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner CowboyGH The miracle of twisting logic continue ... because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow You can not "murder" a cow. Murder - The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. It is not unlawful to kill a cow, neither in man's law or God's law. So again, one could not "murder" a cow. Then why you gave so foolish example abt 'murder' and 'killing' using a cow if you can't 'murder' it ? Give me now the same example abt for humans What are you talking about? That's why the cow was used as an example. You can not murder a cow, but you can kill both a person and a cow. And God doesn't have a law against killing a cow, so therefore your request is pointless and irrelevant. |
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msharmony said: not true, I can also take something down that isnt mine if its on my property I can also take something from someone if they have given me permission neither is the same as stealing But why you twist till now the idea abt stealing-take ? Here there is logic .. You can't steal without to take ... hence give me a sample how you can steal without to take it ?? Why you explain the meaning of 'to take' .. no one discuss abt it but 'can't steal without to take' |
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msharmony said: relevance? explain how someone can steal without taking but taking is not a crime and STEALING is If I take the camera out of my desk, that is not illegal if I take YOUR camera, without your permission, that is illegal and called 'stealing' Chocolina said: Till here you didn't explain " how someone can steal without taking" You explain the difference between 'take' and 'steal' Now pls one more try ... How someone can steal without to take it ? msharmony said: you can kill without murdering,, just as you can take without stealing Here I'm lost in your logic twist Msharmony Cowboy said: It is true, you can "kill" without murdering. But you can only take without stealing if what you're taking is your own. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner CowboyGH The miracle of twisting logic continue ... because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow You can not "murder" a cow. Murder - The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. It is not unlawful to kill a cow, neither in man's law or God's law. So again, one could not "murder" a cow. Then why you gave so foolish example abt 'murder' and 'killing' using a cow if you can't 'murder' it ? Give me now the same example abt for humans What are you talking about? That's why the cow was used as an example. You can not murder a cow, but you can kill both a person and a cow. And God doesn't have a law against killing a cow, so therefore your request is pointless and irrelevant. And to go even further into the explanation. Ratsach is the original word. It's true meaning is murder, have no idea why the translators translated it as kill rather then murder, you'll have to take that up with them. And when it truly boils down to it thou, every time it speaks out against "killing" it is speaking out against murder. For ANY taking of another's life would be murder. Only in our SOCIATY is it murder when it's unlawful, intentional, killing of another. |
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msharmony said: relevance? explain how someone can steal without taking but taking is not a crime and STEALING is If I take the camera out of my desk, that is not illegal if I take YOUR camera, without your permission, that is illegal and called 'stealing' Chocolina said: Till here you didn't explain " how someone can steal without taking" You explain the difference between 'take' and 'steal' Now pls one more try ... How someone can steal without to take it ? msharmony said: you can kill without murdering,, just as you can take without stealing Here I'm lost in your logic twist Msharmony Cowboy said: It is true, you can "kill" without murdering. But you can only take without stealing if what you're taking is your own. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner CowboyGH The miracle of twisting logic continue ... because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow You can not "murder" a cow. Murder - The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. It is not unlawful to kill a cow, neither in man's law or God's law. So again, one could not "murder" a cow. Then why you gave so foolish example abt 'murder' and 'killing' using a cow if you can't 'murder' it ? Give me now the same example abt for humans What are you talking about? That's why the cow was used as an example. You can not murder a cow, but you can kill both a person and a cow. And God doesn't have a law against killing a cow, so therefore your request is pointless and irrelevant. And to go even further into the explanation. Ratsach is the original word. It's true meaning is murder, have no idea why the translators translated it as kill rather then murder, you'll have to take that up with them. And when it truly boils down to it thou, every time it speaks out against "killing" it is speaking out against murder. For ANY taking of another's life would be murder. Only in our SOCIATY is it murder when it's unlawful, intentional, killing of another. And even further beyond that. Every time someone "kills" another is murder. For it's always unlawful to take the life of another. REGARDLESS of "man's" law. God's law speaks out totally against taking the life of another. |
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I don't follow any "version" of the bible, I follow the scriptures, the message. I prefer KJV because it has been translated less then say the new international, ect. so Cowboy reveal which version of the bible you are using That states "Thou Shalt Not Murder" But for the enlightenment of our lovely funches, as you request. Exodus 20:13 New King James Version (NKJV) 13 “You shall not murder. |
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msharmony said: relevance? explain how someone can steal without taking but taking is not a crime and STEALING is If I take the camera out of my desk, that is not illegal if I take YOUR camera, without your permission, that is illegal and called 'stealing' Chocolina said: Till here you didn't explain " how someone can steal without taking" You explain the difference between 'take' and 'steal' Now pls one more try ... How someone can steal without to take it ? msharmony said: you can kill without murdering,, just as you can take without stealing Here I'm lost in your logic twist Msharmony Cowboy said: It is true, you can "kill" without murdering. But you can only take without stealing if what you're taking is your own. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner CowboyGH The miracle of twisting logic continue ... because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow You can not "murder" a cow. Murder - The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. It is not unlawful to kill a cow, neither in man's law or God's law. So again, one could not "murder" a cow. Then why you gave so foolish example abt 'murder' and 'killing' using a cow if you can't 'murder' it ? Give me now the same example abt for humans What are you talking about? That's why the cow was used as an example. You can not murder a cow, but you can kill both a person and a cow. woow woow CowboyGH... who told you that ??? Try to kill cow in India and you gonna find soon the difference between 'to be killed ' or 'murdered ' Ho |
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msharmony said: relevance? explain how someone can steal without taking but taking is not a crime and STEALING is If I take the camera out of my desk, that is not illegal if I take YOUR camera, without your permission, that is illegal and called 'stealing' Chocolina said: Till here you didn't explain " how someone can steal without taking" You explain the difference between 'take' and 'steal' Now pls one more try ... How someone can steal without to take it ? msharmony said: you can kill without murdering,, just as you can take without stealing Here I'm lost in your logic twist Msharmony Cowboy said: It is true, you can "kill" without murdering. But you can only take without stealing if what you're taking is your own. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner CowboyGH The miracle of twisting logic continue ... because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow because to eat the cow for dinner you first have to murder it the reason-intention / cow for dinner/ consists itself murdering , and the process completes by killing the cow You can not "murder" a cow. Murder - The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. It is not unlawful to kill a cow, neither in man's law or God's law. So again, one could not "murder" a cow. Then why you gave so foolish example abt 'murder' and 'killing' using a cow if you can't 'murder' it ? Give me now the same example abt for humans What are you talking about? That's why the cow was used as an example. You can not murder a cow, but you can kill both a person and a cow. woow woow CowboyGH... who told you that ??? Try to kill cow in India and you gonna find soon the difference between 'to be killed ' or 'murdered ' Ho lol did not know that. So change cow to fly in my example lol >.<. |
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Jeannie.
The Bible I read for reference states: "Thou shalt not murder." Difference again between murder and kill. "Murder" is premeditated. "Killing" is not, necessarily, a planned event; it can oft be accidental. To "murder" yes, you have too kill, because to "kill" in itself is the "action" of. To "kill" in retrospect does NOT always consist of murder. "Killing" for food, is not murder. "Killing" in self-defense is not murder; however, it could very well be still considered a "sin", but you wouldn't have broken a Commandment, you would've broken Jesus' Word of, "walking away". However, they didn't have handguns, smg's, and what not back in his days, so I'm pretty sure if you asked him, he may be a bit more lenient in this day and age. "Stealing" is the act of taking another's property without their consent. "Taking" is merely the act of picking up something and making it your own, or, it is already your own. To "Steal" you need to "take" something not yours. Again, "taking" is the action. To "Take" something does not require nor imply you "stole" anything. "I took out the food for dinner." "I took out the bread." "I took the shirt off the rack but put it back because it wasn't my size." ..do we not see the difference yet? ONE. Is the "ACTION". TWO. Is an illegal offense of said action. They are NOT the same. Period. |
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chocolina
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CowboyGH Every time someone "kills" another is murder Thanks you needed long time to get it that finally  |
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CowboyGH Every time someone "kills" another is murder Thanks you needed long time to get it that finally But it is only murder because it is unlawful/illegal. If there was no law against the taking of another's life, neither in God's nor man's law there would be no such thing as "murder". |
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woow woow CowboyGH... who told you that ??? Try to kill cow in India and you gonna find soon the difference between 'to be killed ' or 'murdered ' Ho ..and centuries ago. You killed an Ox/Bull in Egypt, it was a sin in their eyes. Goats in another culture.. ..lambs in another. However, that then becomes "man" defining "murder". Not "God" defining "murder". But you are also saying that: "to kill another for any reason is murder" This is not by man's terms, nor is it by God's. Such is by your own moral and opinion. So, first you need to pick a side. Then you can positively debate it's meaning. |
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Mon 03/05/12 02:03 PM
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CowboyGH Every time someone "kills" another is murder Thanks you needed long time to get it that finally But it is only murder because it is unlawful/illegal. If there was no law against the taking of another's life, neither in God's nor man's law there would be no such thing as "murder". Now you start to produce hypothesis on theme " murder' Sounds like : if your grandma was a man she'd have balls ... |
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..and both are true..
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[quote CowboyGH Every time someone "kills" another is murder Thanks you needed long time to get it that finally But it is only murder because it is unlawful/illegal. If there was no law against the taking of another's life, neither in God's nor man's law there would be no such thing as "murder". Now you start to produce hypothesis on theme " murder' Sounds like : if your grandma was a man she'd have balls ... Not necassarily. There are many differences between man and woman, biologically and phsycological. Heck some men don't even have balls. There is one difference between murder and killing, but there are many differences between man and woman. |
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I don't follow any "version" of the bible, I follow the scriptures, the message. I prefer KJV because it has been translated less then say the new international, ect. so Cowboy reveal which version of the bible you are using That states "Thou Shalt Not Murder" But for the enlightenment of our lovely funches, as you request. Exodus 20:13 New King James Version (NKJV) 13 “You shall not murder. why thank you Cowboy ......after searching for my request you should have been enlighten to the fact that some bibles states "Thou Shalt not Kill" and other bibles states that "Thou Shalt not Murder" why is this? because Kill and Murder means the same thing |
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Logic says: Since men (scribes) actually wrote the Bible, and men are not perfect the Bible is not infallible. God did not possess the writers of the Bible and the Bible is not a channeled work. It is claimed to be "inspired" not channeled. This means that those who wrote it put some of themselves into it. People who believe the Bible is infallible also believe the Bible is God's word. They are like someone who is in love, who cannot see the errors and imperfections of their love interest. In order to look at someone imperfect and view them as perfect, you first have to be in love with them. That is why they say that love is blind. It does not have a critical eye. All alleged imperfections are glossed over with faith. Faith is trust that the meaning, even if you do not see it, it pure. Faith tells you that any misunderstanding of that perfect thing or person is a failure on your part, not theirs. Real love in unconditional. If a person loves God unconditionally, and believes that the Bible is God's word, that person cannot see error in it. In fact to them, anyone who does see error in it is regarded as a person who does not love God unconditionally, so it is they who are in error. So who is really blind when both parties think the other is blind. Who is right and who is wrong. They are both right. I know its a paradox. .....  Now we got you defining love and the requirements of it??? This is my reality and neither you nor she tells me what I feel and believe. I'm sorry you think I was telling YOU anything about what you feel or believe. Its not about YOU. I am simply expressing MY OPINION. Is that okay with you? When you express your "opinion" about me, no it's not OK. |
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As we have seen on here and in our own lives, no one can get into another person's mind and alter what they believe, so, in answer to your question in the title, yes, there is a right(by default) to believe what you want. Now is practicing said religion in it's entirety a right, probably not if it involves hurting others. Christianity wants to have an exception to this because they would like to ostracize and alter or break those who do not live as they would like them to. IE gays for example. If they could only get Christianity to be named the state religion of this country and get it into every institution and gathering place of people they could control the whole country. Hurting many along the way. But not to hear them tell it of course. She says as she ostacizes and trys to break the Christians into "accepting" that homosexuality ISN'T abnormal. |
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