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One can go thru all versions (legit ones) and do a comparative study. ( Although I like the NIV and KJV the best .) Funches..one can cross reference them all ,and gleem an even better understanding of God's Word that way.  And it is good to study the original texts as well.  It is extremely good to study the original texts. Especially that no h uman alive can understant them. I don't know even one word (other than Arsenokoitei) in porstanteaea Greek. So yes, if you study the text that you can't read, then all of a sudden it will all start to make sense. DRat, why did you not tell us that forty years ago. I could be the pope by now. |
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MorningSong
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Mon 03/05/12 02:06 AM
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Wux.....studying early texts just helps when
doing a deeper study of the bible.. ..but it doesn't mean that translators haven't done an excellent job in translating the bible. Meticulous care is taken when translating the Word of God, so that nothing is lost or changed or taken away from the MEANING of God's Word. God's Word remains.....forever. This will better explain: Question: "How does the translation process impact the inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of the Bible?" Answer: This question deals with three very important issues: inspiration, preservation, and translation. The doctrine of the inspiration of the Bible teaches that scripture is “God-breathed”; that is, God personally superintended the writing process, guiding the human authors so that His complete message was recorded for us. The Bible is truly God’s Word. During the writing process, the personality and writing style of each author was allowed expression; however, God so directed the writers that the 66 books they produced were free of error and were exactly what God wanted us to have. See 2 Timothy 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:21. Of course, when we speak of “inspiration,” we are referring only to the process by which the original documents were composed. After that, the doctrine of the preservation of the Bible takes over. If God went to such great lengths to give us His Word, surely He would also take steps to preserve that Word unchanged. What we see in history is that God did exactly that. The Old Testament Hebrew scriptures were painstakingly copied by Jewish scribes. Groups such as the Sopherim, the Zugoth, the Tannaim, and the Masoretes had a deep reverence for the texts they were copying. Their reverence was coupled with strict rules governing their work: the type of parchment used, the size of the columns, the kind of ink, and the spacing of words were all prescribed. Writing anything from memory was expressly forbidden, and the lines, words, and even the individual letters were methodically counted as a means of double-checking accuracy. The result of all this was that the words written by Isaiah’s pen are still available today. The discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls clearly confirms the precision of the Hebrew text. The same is true for the New Testament Greek text. Thousands of Greek texts, some dating back to nearly A.D. 117, are available. The slight variations among the texts—not one of which affects an article of faith—are easily reconciled. Scholars have concluded that the New Testament we have at present is virtually unchanged from the original writings. Textual scholar Sir Frederic Kenyon said about the Bible, “It is practically certain that the true reading of every doubtful passage is preserved. . . . This can be said of no other ancient book in the world.” This brings us to the translation of the Bible. Translation is an interpretative process, to some extent. When translating from one language to another, choices must be made. Should it be the more exact word, even if the meaning of that word is unclear to the modern reader? Or should it be a corresponding thought, at the expense of a more literal reading? As an example, in Colossians 3:12, Paul says we are to put on “bowels of mercies” (KJV). The Greek word for “bowels,” which is literally “intestines,” comes from a root word meaning “spleen.” The KJV translators chose a literal translation of the word. The translators of the NASB chose “heart of compassion”—the “heart” being what today’s reader thinks of as the seat of emotions. The Amplified Bible has it as “tenderhearted pity and mercy.” The NIV simply puts “compassion.” So, the KJV is the most literal in the above example, but the other translations certainly do justice to the verse. The core meaning of the command is to have compassionate feelings. Most translations of the Bible are done by committee. This helps to guarantee that no individual prejudice or theology will affect the decisions of word choice, etc. Of course, the committee itself may have a particular agenda or bias (such as those producing the current “gender-neutral” mistranslations). But there is still plenty of good scholarship being done, and many good translations are available. Having a good, honest translation of the Bible is important. A good translating team will have done its homework and will let the Bible speak for itself. As a general rule, the more literal translations, such as the KJV, NKJV, ASB and NASB, have less “interpretative” work. The “freer” translations, such as the NIV, NLT, and CEV, by necessity do more “interpretation” of the text, but are generally more readable. Then there are the paraphrases, such as The Message and The Living Bible, which are not really translations at all but one person’s retelling of the Bible. So, with all that in view, are translations of the Bible inspired and inerrant? The answer is no, they are not. God nowhere extends the promise of inspiration to translations of His Word. While many of the translations available today are superb in quality, they are not inspired by God, and are not perfect. Does this mean we cannot trust a translation? Again, the answer is no. Through careful study of Scripture, with the Holy Spirit's guidance, we can properly understand, interpret, and apply Scripture. Again, due to the faithful efforts of dedicated Christian translators (and of course the oversight of the Holy Spirit), the translations available today are superb and trustworthy. The fact that we cannot ascribe inerrancy to a translation should motivate us towards even closer study, and away from blind devotion towards any particular translation. gotquestions.org |
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Here's what the Bible itself says about those scribes...
Jeremiah 8:8 New International Version (NIV) 8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? Infallible Word of God? Not when it exposes the lying scribes itself... |
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MorningSong
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Mon 03/05/12 03:03 AM
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The Word of God EXPOSES the lying pen of the
scribe !!!! But that scripture is NOT NOT NOT Saying that The Word of God ITSELF is WRITTEN OR PENNED BY the lying pen of the scribe !!! And Peter_Pan...this is just one OF many instances,where you keep MISUNDERSTANDING what God's Word is REALLY SAYING. Man is NOT the one who is the author of the Bible !!! Man just wrote down under Inspiration of God....but God is The AUTHOR !! NOT man !!! And God is a Big Enough God to PRESERVE and KEEP WATCH Over His Word, so that no lying pen of the scribe would sneak in and write God's Word instead !! IF there were even one lie in the bible, we might as well close the book and go home !! But Thank God, God's Word IS TRUE.....andn IS Infallible..... and IS The same...yesterday, today, and forever. We can BANK on God's Word to be TRUE..and God to be WHO He Says He Is. God and His Word Stand True Forever. God IS The Word. |
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The Word of God EXPOSES the lying pen of the scribe !!!! But that scripture is NOT NOT NOT Saying that The Word of God ITSELF is WRITTEN OR PENNED by the lying pen of the scribe !!! And Peter_Pan...this is just one OF many instances,where you keep MISUNDERSTANDING what God's Word is REALLY SAYING. Man is NOT the one who is the author of the bible !!! Man just wrote down under Inspiration of God....but God is The AUTHOR !! NOT man !!! And the lying pens of scribes handled it falsely, the Bible says so... How hard is that to understand? |
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They handled Moses Law falsely.....just as you are
handling God's Word falsely...but just because one handles God's Word falsely ,does NOT change God's Word !!! Come one Peter_Pan..... |
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They handled Moses Law falsely.....just as you are handling God's Word falsely...but just because one handles God's Word falsely ,does NOT change God's Word !!! Come one Peter_Pan..... lol! If they handled Moses' law falsely then your "infallible" position falls flat... |
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MorningSong
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Mon 03/05/12 03:37 AM
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Last attempt at explaining:
IF you misread scriptures and misuse scriptures, that in no way changes God's Word ITSELF from being True. IF a false teacher misrepresents or misunderstands God's Word and calls God's Word error or not true, that still does NOT change God's Word ITSELF from being True. ONE LAST TIME....... THIS is what the lying pen of the scribes meant: The Jews of Jesus’ day TWISTED the law so much so that they considered themselves to be RIGHTEOUS, and yet they CONDEMNED Jesus as a law-breaker (especially in regard to the Sabbath ). THAT is what it means!!! It does NOT mean they CHANGED or PENNED the Mossaic law ITSELF!!!!! I am done with explaining this now . This is really silly ....having to even explain this. |
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MorningSong
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Mon 03/05/12 03:48 AM
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.............Rightly Interpreting the Bible..............
Methodology The word "method" comes from the Greek word methodos, which literally means "a way or path of transit." Methodology in Bible study is therefore concerned with "the proper path to be taken in order to arrive at Scriptural truth." This clearly implies that improper paths can be taken. Of course, proper methodology is essential to many fields of endeavor. A heart surgeon does not perform open heart surgery without following proper, objective methodology. (Would you trust a heart surgeon to operate on you who told you that he intended to discard objective methodology, instead opting for a subjective approach - cutting you where he feels like cutting you?) Improper methodology in interpreting Scripture is nothing new. Even in New Testament times, the apostle PETER WARNED that there are teachings in the inspired writings of Paul "which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest [DISTORT], as they DO ALSO the OTHER SCRIPTURES, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION" (2 Peter 3:16, insert added). This verse tells us that MISHANDLING the Word of God can be VERY DANGEROUS. Indeed, mishandling the Word of God is a "PATH" TO DESTRUCTION. Contrary to the practices of some false teachers in Corinth, the apostle Paul assured his readers that he faithfully handled the Word of God (2 Corinthians 4:2). Paul admonished young Timothy to follow his example: "STUDY to SHOW THYSELF APPROVED UNTO GOD, a WORKMAN THAT NEEDETH NOT TO BE ASHAMED, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH" (2 Timothy 2:15, italics added). A Foundational Truth: God Created Language for a Purpose A plain reading of Genesis indicates that when God created Adam in His own rational image, He gave Adam the gift of intelligible speech, thus enabling him to communicate objectively with his creator (and with other human beings) via sharable linguistic symbols called words (Genesis 1:26). God sovereignly chose to use human language as a medium of revelational communication. If the primary purpose of God's originating of language was to make it possible for Him to communicate with human beings, as well as to enable human beings to communicate with each another, then it must follow that He would generally use language and expect man to use it in its literal, normal, and plain sense. This view of language is a prerequisite to understanding not only God's spoken word but His written Word (Scripture) as well. The Bible exists because human beings need to know certain spiritual truths to which they cannot attain by themselves. Thus these truths must come to them from special revelation from God (Deuteronomy 29:29). And this revelation can only be understood if one interprets the words of Scripture according to God's original design for language - that is, according to the ordinary, plain, literal sense of each word. Seeking the Author's Intended Meaning Instead of superimposing a meaning on the biblical text, the objective interpreter seeks to discover the author's intended meaning (the only true meaning). One must recognize that what a passage means is fixed by the author and is not subject to alteration by readers. Meaning is determined by the author; it is discovered by readers. Our goal must be exegesis (drawing the meaning out of the text) and not eisogesis (superimposing a meaning onto the text). By using eisogesis instead of exegesis, a Marxist interpreter could, for example, so skew the meaning of the U.S. Constitution that it came out reading like a socialistic document. Cultists have done the same type of thing with Holy Scripture. They so skew the meaning of the biblical text that it comes out saying something entirely different than what was intended by the author. Only by objective methodology can we bridge the gap between our minds and the minds of the biblical writers. Indeed, our method of interpreting Scripture is valid or invalid to the extent that it really unfolds the meaning a statement had for the author and the first hearers or readers. The Importance of Context A woman entered the Democratic primary for governor of the state of Texas. She was convinced that the Bible had told her she would win the nomination. When she received the official list of names from the primary she saw her name printed last. Then she read in her Bible, "Many that are first will be last, and the last first" (Matthew 19:30). On the basis of that verse she thought God was telling her she would win. But she lost. This amusing story illustrates the need for interpreting Scripture in its proper context. Taken out of context, the Scriptures can be twisted to say just about anything !!! Seeking the biblical author's intended meaning necessitates interpreting Bible verses in context. Every word in the Bible is part of a verse, and every verse is part of a paragraph, and every paragraph is part of a book, and every book is part of the whole of Scripture. No verse of Scripture can be divorced from the verses around it. Interpreting a verse apart from its context is like trying to analyze a Rembrandt painting by looking at only a single square inch of the painting, or like trying to analyze Handel's "Messiah" by listening to a few short notes. The context is absolutely critical to properly interpreting Bible verses. In interpreting Scripture, there is both an immediate context and a broader context. The immediate context of a verse is the paragraph (or paragraphs) of the biblical book in question. The immediate context should always be consulted in interpreting Bible verses. The broader context is the whole of Scripture. The entire Holy Scripture is the context and guide for understanding the particular passages of Scripture. We must keep in mind that the interpretation of a specific passage must not contradict the total teaching of Scripture on a point. Individual verses do not exist as isolated fragments, but as parts of a whole. The exposition of these verses, therefore, must involve exhibiting them in right relation both to the whole and to each other. Scripture interprets Scripture. As J. I. Packer puts it, "if we would understand the parts, our wisest course is to get to know the whole." The Importance of Historical Considerations Historical considerations are especially important in properly interpreting the Word of God. The Christian faith is based on historical fact. Indeed, Christianity rests on the foundation of the historical Jesus whose earthly life represents God's full and objective self-communication to humankind (John 1:18). Jesus was seen and heard by human beings as God's ultimate revelation (1 John 1:1-3). This is why He could forcefully claim, "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also" (John 14:7). The apostle Paul, when speaking with the religious men of Athens, affirmed that the reality of the future judgment of all humanity rests on the objective, historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus (Acts 17:16f.). This evidence is recorded for us in the New Testament Gospels, documents that are based on eyewitness testimony and written very close in time to the events on which they report. Based on how people respond to God's objective, historical revelation contained in Scripture, they will spend eternity in a real heaven or a real hell. Making a Correct Genre Judgment A "literal" approach to Scripture recognizes that the Bible contains a variety of literary genres, each of which has certain peculiar characteristics that must be recognized in order to interpret the text properly. Biblical genres include the historical (e.g., Acts), the dramatic epic (e.g., Job), poetry (e.g., Psalms), wise sayings (e.g., Proverbs), and apocalyptic writings (e.g., Revelation). Obviously, an incorrect genre judgment will lead one far astray in interpreting Scripture. A parable should not be treated as history, nor should poetry or apocalyptic literature (both of which contain many symbols) be treated as straightforward narrative. The wise interpreter allows his knowledge of genres to control how he approaches each individual biblical text. In this way, he can accurately determine what the biblical author was intending to communicate to the reader. Now, even though the Bible contains a variety of literary genres and many figures of speech, the biblical authors most often employed literal statements to convey their ideas. Where they use a literal means to express their ideas, the Bible expositor must employ a corresponding means to explain these ideas - namely, a literal approach. A literal method of interpreting Scripture gives to each word in the text the same basic meaning it would have in normal, ordinary, customary usage - whether employed in writing, speaking, or thinking. Without such a method, communication between God and man is impossible. Interpret the Old Testament in Light of the New Testament God gave revelation to humankind progressively throughout Old and New Testament times. He didn't just give His entire revelation for all time to our first parents, Adam and Eve, or to Moses, the Lawgiver. Rather, as time went on - as the centuries slowly passed - God provided more and more revelation that became progressively full so that by the time the New Testament was complete, God had told us everything He wanted us to know. In view of this, a key interpretive principle is that one should always interpret the Old Testament in view of the greater light of the New Testament. The Old Testament may be likened to a chamber richly furnished but dimly lighted. The introduction of light brings into it nothing which was not in it before; but it brings out into clearer view much of what is in it but was only dimly or even not at all perceived before. The Old Testament revelation of God is not corrected by the fuller revelation which follows it, but only perfected, extended, and enlarged. Again, then, the Old Testament should be interpreted according to the greater light of the New Testament. The Old Testament is much clearer when approached through the lens of the New Testament. Dependence on the Holy Spirit Scripture tells us that we are to rely on the Holy Spirit's illumination to gain insights into the meaning and application of Scripture (John 16:12-15; 1 Corinthians 2:9-11). It is the Holy Spirit's work to throw light upon the Word of God so that the believer can assent to the meaning intended and act on it. The Holy Spirit, as the "Spirit of truth" (John 16:13), guides us so that "we may understand what God has freely given us" (1 Corinthians 2:12). This is quite logical: full comprehension of the Word of God is impossible without prayerful dependence on the Spirit of God, for He who inspired the Word (2 Peter 1:21) is also its supreme interpreter. Illumination is necessary because man's mind has been darkened through sin (Romans 1:21), preventing him from properly understanding God's Word. Human beings CANNOT understand God's Word APART from GOD'S DIVINE ENABLEMENT (Ephesians 4:18). This aspect of the Holy Spirit's ministry operates within the sphere of man's rational capacity, which God Himself gave man (cf. Genesis 2-3). Illumination comes to the 'minds' of God's people - not to some nonrational faculty like our 'emotions' or our 'feelings' [like a 'burning in the bosom']. To know God's revelation means to use our minds. This makes knowledge something we can share with others, something we can talk about. God's Word is in words with ordinary rational content. The ministry of the Holy Spirit in interpretation does not mean interpreters can ignore common sense and logic. Since the Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of truth" (John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13), He does not teach concepts that fail to meet the tests of truth. In other words, "the Holy Spirit does not guide into interpretations that contradict each other or fail to have logical, internal consistency." It must also be kept in mind that the function of the Holy Spirit is not to communicate to the minds of people any doctrine or meaning of Scripture that is not contained already in Scripture itself. The Holy Spirit makes men "wise up to what is written, not beyond it." Indeed, "the function of the Spirit is not to communicate new truth or to instruct in matters unknown, but to illuminate what is revealed in Scripture." The Example of Jesus Christ Jesus consistently interpreted the Old Testament quite literally, including the Creation account of Adam and Eve (Matthew 13:35; 25:34; Mark 10:6), Noah's Ark and the flood (Matthew 24:38-39; Luke 17:26-27), Jonah and the great fish (Matthew 12:39-41), Sodom and Gomorrah (Matthew 10:15), and the account of Lot and his wife (Luke 17:28-29). In his book The Savior and the Scriptures, theologian Robert P. Lightner notes - following an exhaustive study - that Jesus' interpretation of Scripture "was always in accord with the grammatical and historical meaning. He understood and appreciated the meaning intended by the writers according to the laws of grammar and rhetoric." Jesus affirmed the Bible's divine inspiration (Matthew 22:43), its indestructibility (Matthew 5:17-18), its infallibility (John 10:35), its final authority (Matthew 4:4,7,10), its historicity (Matthew 12:40; 24:37), its factual inerrancy (Matthew 22:29-32), and its spiritual clarity (Luke 24:25). Moreover, He emphasized the importance of each word of Scripture (Luke 16:17). Indeed, He sometimes based His argumentation on a single expression of the biblical text (Matthew 22:32,43-45; John 10:34). Is the Bible Alone Sufficient? That the average person can understand Scripture without having to rely upon a church for the "authoritative teaching" is evident in the fact that Jesus taught openly and with clarity, and expected His followers to each understand His meaning. Recall that following His arrest, Jesus was questioned by the High Priest about His disciples and His teaching. Jesus responded: I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing. Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said (John 18:20-21, emphases added). According to Jesus, those who heard Him would be able to clearly enunciate what He had openly communicated. There were no confusing or obscure meanings in His words that required an "authoritative interpretation" by a church. In keeping with this, the apostle Paul instructed young Timothy: "From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus" (2 Timothy 3:15). This verse points to the complete sufficiency of Scripture in the life of a believer. Jewish boys formally began studying the Old Testament Scriptures when they were five years of age. Timothy had been taught the Scriptures by his mother and grandmother beginning at this age. Clearly, 2 Timothy 3:15 indicates that the Scriptures alone are sufficient to provide the necessary wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ. The Scriptures alone are the source of spiritual knowledge. Then, 2 Timothy 3:16-17 tells us that all Scripture is "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." This verse does not say that Scripture as seen through the lens of the Mormon church , for instance, is "profitable for doctrine, for reproof," and so forth. It is Scripture that does these things. And the reason Scripture can do these things is that all Scripture is inspired by God (vs. 16a). The word inspired means "God-breathed." Scripture is sufficient because it finds its source in God. It is noteworthy that the phrase thoroughly furnished ("that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished") means "complete, capable, fully furnished, proficient in the sense of being able to meet all demands." Scripture alone makes a person complete, capable, and proficient. Scripture furnishes all that one must know to be saved and to grow in grace. Correctly Handling the Word of Truth Jesus said His words lead to eternal life (John 6:63). But for us to receive eternal life through His words, they must be taken as He intended them to be taken. A cultic reinterpretation of Scripture that yields another Jesus and another gospel (2 Corinthians 11:3-4; Galatians 1:6-9) will yield only eternal death (Revelation 20:11-15). http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Interpretation.html |
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Peter_Pan69
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Mon 03/05/12 03:40 AM
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Look MorningSong.
1. You have acknowledged that the scribes' lying pens handled Moses' law falsely. 2. Moses' law is part of the Bible. 3. Therefore, the Bible cannot be "infallible", period. You can post all of the opinions of men you want. You can say I'm misinterpreting it all you want. It doesn't change the fact that the Bible itself condemns those attributed to copying it. You'd have to call a lie the truth and the truth a lie to support your position, which I refuse to do... |
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MorningSong
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Mon 03/05/12 04:08 AM
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So... by your mishandling God's Word falsely right now,
you actually believe CHANGES The Word of God? Cause you mishandled God's Word falsely?? Same difference with what the scribes did..... See how silly this is , Peter??? Honestly Peter...what is it here that is so hard to comprehend.... it is like you have blinders on.... |
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So... by your mishandling God's Word falsely right now, you actually believe CHANGES The Word of God? Cause you mishandled God's Word falsely?? Same difference with what the scribes did..... See how silly this is , Peter??? Honestly Peter...what is it here that is so hard to comprehend.... it is like you have blinders on.... There you go again... You're gonna have to come up with a better refutation than "silly"... Now I'd like to see you prove I've handled "God's Word" falsely. I'm not saying it changes "God's Word", that's your interpretation of what I've said about the Bible, which you attribute to being "infallible", not me. I am simply exposing the chaff that'll be burned off. God's Word will stand forever, minus all of mankind's man-made BS. You and I both know where God's law will be preserved and it sure as Hades will NOT be on paper... |
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One can go thru all versions (legit ones) and do a comparative study. ( Although I like the NIV and KJV the best .) Funches..one can cross reference them all ,and gleem an even better understanding of God's Word that way. And it is good to study the original texts as well. so do you also use as a cross reference.... The Satanic Bible? |
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no need to explain what noone but you has posted the issue is whether the bible says not to murder or not to kill the issue of whether murdering involves killing is a distraction and irrelevant , as you CAN kill without murdering,,, you deem it irrelevant only because you couldn't explain how someone can murder without killing the same as you wouldn't be able to explain how someone can kill without murdering... murder and killing is the same ....even if one commit suicide they have both murder and killed theirself, even if someone ask you to kill them they are in fact asking you to murder them you can't do one without doing the other this is why the bible states "Thou Shalt Not Kill" ..if not then you will have people out there doing the same exact thing that is taking place in this forum... making excuses and trying to find legal ways or terminolgy so they can kill and justify it as not being murder you can kill without murdering,, just as you can take without stealing the same way you can have sex, or fondle, or kiss, without RAPING(although you cannot rape without doing one of those things) the same way you can take money from the bank without ROBBING it(although you cannot rob without taking money) the bible says not to steal, but it does not say not to ever TAKE the law says we cannot rape someone, but it does not say we cannot have sex these are different degrees of an action, its not about excusing, its about looking at things in a balanced and realistic way we kill for food, we kill in defense, BOTH are justified in the bible so therefore would be foolish to say not to 'kill' murder refers to 'unlawful' killing MsHarmony...I'm pretty sure if the animals you kill could talk like the serpent in the garden of eden they probably refer to you trying to kill and eat them as unlawful murder also are you saying that God was referring to not killing animals ...if not..then it's another attempt of you trying to side step the question as to how you can murder without killing also while you're at it..let's get it on record as to which bible that you personally follow and let's see if it states that Thou shalt not murder.....or do you also resort to Quantum leaping from one bible to the next in order to fit it to your agenda |
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you see/read it all the time that people have the right to have or to practice their religious beliefs and/or Faith THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS: Truth ? or Myth? so what if your religious belief was child molestation, I use this example because it cuts to the quick and clearly shows that "no" you do not have the right to practice your religious beliefs Yes, everyone has a right to molestational faith. God did away his own son using a painful, horrible death. But what really makes it palatable, is that a religious charitable tax advantage is given only if the upstart church uses a scripture that has been written arms-length away from the new church's self-interest. This means that unless you can find a scripture that on one hand advocates child molestation, and on the other, has been written by person or persons who are completely unknown to you, and on the third hand, it is verifyably a word of god, as inspired to the scribes, then yes, please be our guest, and use that scripture to advocate child molestation. all a church need to do to advocate child molestation is to pick a scripture and apply Faith ...with Faith anything is possible and makes everything that one has Faith in Truth |
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Oh-oh. You can kill without murdering. You cannot murder without killing. ------Murder is verboten. ------killing is kosher. You don't murder then, and you can still kill (if you've got good skill with skillets to god's will in bill hill fill drill mill) at the same time. But you can kill and not murder at the same time and in the same respect. It is not a problem at all. You can't murder while avoiding killing. So what. Murder is not allowed, but killing is -- do your killing in those circumstances when it's not a murder. then say slam, bam, thank-you lam. Funches, I am all for your logic, but this time you got the string to push the wagon. a murder is an attempt by society to deem someone accountable for when they do kill and for society to deem itself non-accountable for when it does kill you have those in soceity that have a propensity to kill and seek out ways to do it ...for example Dr. Kevorkian would aid in the suicide of people and photograph their eyes as they died...so were he killing them or murdering them killing is killing ..it is truth... murder lies in the eyes of the beholder and is used to askew from Truth |
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MorningSong
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So... by your mishandling God's Word falsely right now, you actually believe CHANGES The Word of God? Cause you mishandled God's Word falsely?? Same difference with what the scribes did..... See how silly this is , Peter??? Honestly Peter...what is it here that is so hard to comprehend.... it is like you have blinders on.... There you go again... You're gonna have to come up with a better refutation than "silly"... Now I'd like to see you prove I've handled "God's Word" falsely. I'm not saying it changes "God's Word", that's your interpretation of what I've said about the Bible, which you attribute to being "infallible", not me. I am simply exposing the chaff that'll be burned off. God's Word will stand forever, minus all of mankind's man-made BS. You and I both know where God's law will be preserved and it sure as Hades will NOT be on paper... Peter_Pan....God's Word does not contain chaff. But That is something ONLY God can show you. And that is why the ONLY way Truth can be understood, is by one first being born again and Indwelt by the Holy Spirit. NO OTHER WAY. And that is why ONLY GOD THRU The INDWELLING of the Holy Spirit Is THE ONLY ONE WHO IS ABLE to lead and Guide into ALL TRUTH...not man. The Holy Spirit lets believers KNOW God's Word is Truth. BELIEVERS KNOW NOW. BECAUSE The Holy Spirit ILLUMINATES God's Word to a Believer now..and SHOWS AND LEADS ALL BELIEVERS INTO ALL TRUTH NOW. Plus......scriptures all thruout the bible ALREADY CLEARLY SHOW how God's Word is Infallible...and Gods Word cannot contradict itself...... yet.......the enemy blinds people's eyes to This Truth.  Peter_Pan...I am sharing this link below with you. Be Blessed....I leave the rest up to God now..... http://www.gospelway.com/bible/bible_inspiration.php |
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Peter_Pan....God's Word does not contain chaff. But That is something ONLY God can show you. And that is why the ONLY way Truth can be understood, is by one first being born again and Indwelt by the Holy Spirit. NO OTHER WAY. And that is why ONLY GOD THRU The INDWELLING of the Holy Spirit Is THE ONLY ONE WHO IS ABLE to lead and Guide into ALL TRUTH...not man. The Holy Spirit lets believers KNOW God's Word is Truth. BELIEVERS KNOW NOW. BECAUSE The Holy Spirit ILLUMINATES God's Word to a Believer now..and SHOWS AND LEADS ALL BELIEVERS INTO ALL TRUTH NOW. Plus......scriptures all thruout the bible ALREADY CLEARLY SHOW how God's Word is Infallible...and Gods Word cannot contradict itself...... yet.......the enemy blinds people's eyes to This Truth. Peter_Pan...I am sharing this link below with you. Be Blessed....I leave the rest up to God now..... http://www.gospelway.com/bible/bible_inspiration.php So you're basically telling non-believers "Here's a book you cannot understand. I want you to believe it even though it's "Truth" isn't visible to you. Only after you believe it, will the holy ghost (lowercase for a reason) reveal to you that it's true." Sorry, nobody is that gullible. Let those who have eyes, close them: Let those who have ears, plug them up... Yeah right! |
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Actually..EVEN a child can understand....
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Actually..EVEN a child can understand.... No crapola, I've know this stuff since I was 5... What's your excuse? |
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