Lots of fascinating and Awesome Info on here that


will surely help you see why.


Be Blessed Now.....


http://www.reasons.org/resources/radio-broadcasts-and-podcasts

Thanks for that link. I came across that website before when I was looking up old earth \young earth arguments, and found it to be very informative.

Faith when associated with science leans more towards being a factor of Evolution as a chemically induced virus of the brain with the purpose of forcing the subconscious to evolve beyond the restrictions set by the conscious and the "Outside" forces, such as the laws of physics, the laws of society and the laws of a God

Its a real challenge reading through this stuff, no less listening to the pod casts. The agenda here is not one of understanding the science, but to try to prop up the Bible as legitimate.

Far too heavy handed, and just strange.

A great example is were they claim the big bang is documented in the bible.

One question, if the Big Bang was really what they were talking about in the bible, then why did we not have a theory of the big bang thousands of years ago? Or even any time what so ever between the reading of the bible and the actual discovery of the evidence for the big bang?

I will answer you, its because the bible is not a source for scientific knowledge. It does not inform about the details of reality in any way shape or form. It is an assembly of metaphor and stories that clearly reflects the scientific understandings of the generations who wrote that work. Get metaphorical enough in any stories and you can read whatever you want to read in the vagueness that is the biblical history.

Never will you find a scientist, Christian or otherwise, who sources his inspiration for some scientific discovery from some Biblical story as if the details of the science were in the bible. Real scientists are just too honest for all that . . . They want to be respected for there objectivity and this would certainly not help.

It amazes me that this is the form of reasoning and support for "Theistic Science".

It would be interesting for someone to take this seriously, and actually take an entry in the bible and try to develop scientific experiments from something it says.

That is not how its done. Instead science does all the hard work first, all of the data collection, all of the tests, correcting the theories and expanding the knowledge, then someone reads something in the bible with all that hindsight knowledge science provided and then claims the bible had it nailed down all long ago.

Its sad really. It shows a complete lack of understanding what it takes to achieve real results, and real scientific understanding.

Yep.

That is also why there are three completely different major religions whose foundation is the Bible, and thousands of different sects and denominations in each of those.

Wondering why there were seven different churches in my town instead of just one, I went to one of the pastors and asked him what his particular church thought of a certain issue. He answered my question with another question. He said:

"What does the Bible say?

As if the Bible supported his particular church and not the others. I said it says the same thing for this church as it does for the others I think. Maybe not.

Maybe the Bible has been rewritten for each and every church to suit them.

It certainly looks that way.

Believers are all at different levels of growth

in their spiritual walk.

That is why all are at different levels of understanding...

But at least all believers do agree on the basic truths of

the bible.


The rest of the deeper understanding of God's Word, comes as all

believers continue to grow in God's Word.

And that is how that ball bounces....

But then sometimes you also have those that aren't

really believers at all... yet...

cause they still just have religion.

I was attracted to the title of this thread.

I don't think of 'science' and 'faith' as being enemies, as I have known some brilliant scientists who were devoted to their faith.

I do think of 'reason' and 'ignorance' as being enemies.

But if we want to promote the compatibility of science, faith, and reason - we have to let go of beliefs that are completely contrary to the evidence like young earth creationism, and let go of antagonism towards the idea that humans are descended from non-human primates.

I like Hugh Ross ...I like how he just presents

the compatibility of science, faith, and reason....without

neccesarily promoting anything...but just allows the

presentation to speak for itself..as it should be...without

antogonism towards others presenting their views...


God and God alone is the One who is able to maks His Word


clear anyway...and not man.

Although I find the views of Ross ( along with some

others on "Reason to Believe" )quite fascinating, I do not

neccessarily agree with all of his views.

NOr do I agree with some of the opposing views out there either.


For instance, I do not believe the earth is only 8000 years old.

But I do believe God created all in six days....

and

I also believe the universe will fold up one day like a

curtain ...and very quickly...as quickly as when the worlds

were created.

Just my personal beliefs....

Scientists do not consider religion to be an "enemy." An enemy normally has to be considered a threat.

Religion (or the Bible) is not a threat to science.

Faith goes against God and exist more into the realm of Satan aka science....it's because believers tend not to have Faith only in God but also tend to weld faith to his creations and this is when Faith enters into the realm of witchcraft

FOR EXAMPLE:

when Jesus walked on the waters....was it God that caused Jesus to walk on water or was it Faith that caused it ...

when Peter tried to walk on the water..he couldn't because he supposedly lack faith ....so here's the puzzling question

was it God that wouldn't allow Peter to walk on water or was it something other than God that wouldn't allow it

Do you seriously believe that story...?

Or are you just playing the "Devil's advocate" again?

you once made a claim that you flew past Saturn...wouldn't Jesus walking on water be less of a chore than that

I'm only pointing to faith as being an evolutionary factor that is paving the way for the subconscious to carry out conscious commands

that the God delusion is not a disorder but plays a factor in the evolution of Man to exist beyond God ..that if man had the ability to consciously control their subconscious they would become God

in the example of Jesus walking on ...that's why I asked

was it God that cause him to walk on water...or was it faith

Thanks for the explanation. Good going.


If the story is true.... it was faith.

Spiritual healers today will still tell you that you won't be healed if you do not have the faith that you will.

You must believe it.

Belief and faith is the key to miracles.

My soul has flown past Saturn, but my body was on the earth.

In my soul I am free!!

God of gaps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HooeZrC76s0

Science and religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTOzeO-nz2A&feature=related

right... considering that the story is true and it was faith and not God that caused Jesus to walk on water..then what would Faith be

Faith is belief.

In hypnotism, all you need is belief.

I wonder if a hypnotist completely convinced a person with cancer that they were in perfect health, would the cancer wither away.

I heard of a case where a hypnotist planted the suggestion in his subjects mind that he would die on a certain date in the future. He dropped dead on that exact date.

coincidence?

Power of belief.

That is why Christians say that you must "believe in Jesus" and that you will be saved and go to heaven.

The belief alone creates heaven and creates the entity called "Jesus." If you believe you are going to heaven, you will. Heaven does exist because people believe in it. They created it within the universal mind stuff.