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Topic: The Prophecy
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 12:05 PM
He has all the right to alter us, change us, destroy us, or make us. And it not be taking away our free will. so if God destroy you.... it wouldn't take away your "Free Will"? ... so Cowboy.....please explain how one can execise their "Free Will" after God destroys them ??? Your free will goes as far as doing anything or not doing something. THAT'S IT!!. You can go to work, you can eat when you want, you can sleep when you want, you can steal something, you can lie. You can do everything and anything. Death or life is not something one chooses, less they commit suicide of course. But outside of that, one doesn't choose when they are born or when they die. It's not an action YOU take. yes or no...does God destroying you take away your "Free Will" To answer your question, AGAIN, no. It's not an action YOU take. It happens naturally through life. Secondly God doesn't destroy anyone. Cowboy you are the one that stated that God destroys people....were you mistaken when you said that? I have never once said God destroys anyone. I did say he had the right to, but I never said he does. I'm pretty sure those that God destroyed in the Great Flood would disagree with you Noah and his family were designated for the Ark because of their faith, their obedience. No one ever said the people that were not on the Ark were "destroyed". They were drowned in the flood yes, but that doesn't mean they were "destroyed". If something/someone is destroyed, it is dead. The only reward for sin is death. It does not state how many from the flood got to go to heaven or didn't. And if they didn't receive the gift of heaven, it was due to themselves for heaven is earned. It's not a picking and or choosing by God of just who he thinks should share in the glory of heaven or not. It is an effect that follows the cause. The cause would be people's actions and or faith they had or did while on Earth. So again, if any of them missed out on the gift of Heaven, it is their fault, their doings. Not because God just didn't want them there.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 12:08 PM
It does work, it would still be lusting after someone. Maybe not someone in specifics, but still someone. Same difference in looking at porn, you may not be lusting after THAT woman, but still lusting after the action(s) being done. you keep trying to add people into the equation...the clones are not people they only look like people...also just because someone programed them to simulate having sex do not mean the programmer had lust in their heart...so would it still be a sin You would still be lusting after SOMEONE, maybe not someone in specifics or even that someone you would be talking to. But you would be lusting after the action of intercourse and or sexual actions. Cowboy...are you saying that it's impossible to think about, simulate, or have intercourse without lust ... Yes, exactly. Why would one simulate having sex if not lusting after doing it? there are many reasons....it could be an educatonal video to aid parents when it's time to teach their child about the birds and the bees.....considering the television, the internet,the child's heathenous friends or some pervert don't beat them to it aren't the religious required to have sexual intercourse with out lust? ...are you saying that this is also impossible Sex is for reproduction, it is for making a bond between a man and woman. It's not for the physical pleasures, that is when it becomes lustful. When sex is done outside of reproduction. Teaching children about the birds and the bees does not require a graphical aid. It is explained well enough through verbal, or a picture of this or that to aid in their explanation.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 08/26/11 12:23 PM
Noah and his family were designated for the Ark because of their faith, their obedience. No one ever said the people that were not on the Ark were "destroyed". They were drowned in the flood yes, but that doesn't mean they were "destroyed". Cowboy...are you suffering from battered wife syndrome? being intentionly drowned by someone or some entity clearly means that they were out to destroy you along with your "Free WIll" not to be drowned ...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 12:28 PM
Noah and his family were designated for the Ark because of their faith, their obedience. No one ever said the people that were not on the Ark were "destroyed". They were drowned in the flood yes, but that doesn't mean they were "destroyed". Cowboy...are you suffering from battered wife syndrome? being intentionly drowned by someone or some entity clearly means that they were out to destroy you along with your "Free WIll" not to be drowned ... You really don't know what free will is do you? You have the ability to not believe as you don't obviously and I have the ability to believe, as I do. Someone being drown has absolutely nothing to do with their free will. And once again, we know not who was destroyed or who wasn't. This mortal life we're living now is NOT forever. It's not ment to be. We will all pass away one day or other.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 08/26/11 12:31 PM
Sex is for reproduction, it is for making a bond between a man and woman. It's not for the physical pleasures, that is when it becomes lustful. When sex is done outside of reproduction. so when a woman or a man that are married but can not have babies or sire offsprings decide to engage in sex ....they are committing sin?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 08/26/11 12:32 PM
Teaching children about the birds and the bees does not require a graphical aid. It is explained well enough through verbal, or a picture of this or that to aid in their explanation. isn't a picture a graphical aid?

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Fri 08/26/11 12:32 PM
Sex is for reproduction, it is for making a bond between a man and woman. It's not for the physical pleasures, that is when it becomes lustful. When sex is done outside of reproduction. so when a woman or a man that are married but can not have babies or sire offsprings decide to engage in sex ....they are committing sin? Best sex they ever though

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 08/26/11 12:35 PM
Someone being drown has absolutely nothing to do with their free will. Cowboy...so you actually believe that someone that are trying to intentionly drown you are not trying to take away your "Free Will"

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 12:52 PM
Someone being drown has absolutely nothing to do with their free will. Cowboy...so you actually believe that someone that are trying to intentionly drown you are not trying to take away your "Free Will" No because if the case ever happens, I have the ability to try to not drown. AAAAAAAALLLLLLLL free will is, is the ability to do an action or not. You can eat when you want, you can drink when you want, you can worship god or not, you can do ANYTHING or NOT. That is all. A person tying you down does not take away your free will. Being stuck in prison does not take away your free will. All free will pertains to is an action you can take.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 12:56 PM
Teaching children about the birds and the bees does not require a graphical aid. It is explained well enough through verbal, or a picture of this or that to aid in their explanation. isn't a picture a graphical aid? Yes, but a picture can be educational and not pornographic. It doesn't have to be provocative as porn is. The two are not the same, pornographic pictures and graphical aid.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 12:59 PM
Sex is for reproduction, it is for making a bond between a man and woman. It's not for the physical pleasures, that is when it becomes lustful. When sex is done outside of reproduction. so when a woman or a man that are married but can not have babies or sire offsprings decide to engage in sex ....they are committing sin? Doesn't seem so as long as the two are married.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 01:06 PM
Sex is for reproduction, it is for making a bond between a man and woman. It's not for the physical pleasures, that is when it becomes lustful. When sex is done outside of reproduction. so when a woman or a man that are married but can not have babies or sire offsprings decide to engage in sex ....they are committing sin? Doesn't seem so as long as the two are married. What I was getting at was when sex is done just purely for the physical pleasure. Sex done for that and premarital sex is sinful. If two people are married and can not have children, they can still enjoy the passion in making love. That form of sexual intercourse is "love making". It is done to express your emotions with the other on a deeper level then just saying "I love you".

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 08/26/11 02:09 PM Edited by funches on Fri 08/26/11 02:16 PM
Someone being drown has absolutely nothing to do with their free will. Cowboy...so you actually believe that someone that are trying to intentionly drown you are not trying to take away your "Free Will" No because if the case ever happens, I have the ability to try to not drown. AAAAAAAALLLLLLLL free will is, is the ability to do an action or not. You can eat when you want, you can drink when you want, you can worship god or not, you can do ANYTHING or NOT. That is all. A person tying you down does not take away your free will. Being stuck in prison does not take away your free will. All free will pertains to is an action you can take. if "Free Will" pertains to the action you take....then why are you allowing someone to drown you ..

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 08/26/11 02:13 PM
Teaching children about the birds and the bees does not require a graphical aid. It is explained well enough through verbal, or a picture of this or that to aid in their explanation. isn't a picture a graphical aid? Yes, but a picture can be educational and not pornographic. It doesn't have to be provocative as porn is. The two are not the same, pornographic pictures and graphical aid. to some your acceptant that it's ok to use pictures with sex acts on it as a teaching aid would constitute as being pornographic

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 02:15 PM
Someone being drown has absolutely nothing to do with their free will. Cowboy...so you actually believe that someone that are trying to intentionly drown you are not trying to take away your "Free Will" No because if the case ever happens, I have the ability to try to not drown. AAAAAAAALLLLLLLL free will is, is the ability to do an action or not. You can eat when you want, you can drink when you want, you can worship god or not, you can do ANYTHING or NOT. That is all. A person tying you down does not take away your free will. Being stuck in prison does not take away your free will. All free will pertains to is an action you can take. if "Free Will" pertains to the action you take....then why are you the one under the water drowning .. ??? Drowning is not an action one makes. That is circumstantial. The action being taken would be swimming. Free will ONLY pertains to something you do or don't do. You have the choice. Drowning is not an action YOU take.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 08/26/11 02:17 PM
Someone being drown has absolutely nothing to do with their free will. Cowboy...so you actually believe that someone that are trying to intentionly drown you are not trying to take away your "Free Will" No because if the case ever happens, I have the ability to try to not drown. AAAAAAAALLLLLLLL free will is, is the ability to do an action or not. You can eat when you want, you can drink when you want, you can worship god or not, you can do ANYTHING or NOT. That is all. A person tying you down does not take away your free will. Being stuck in prison does not take away your free will. All free will pertains to is an action you can take. if "Free Will" pertains to the action you take....then why are you the one under the water drowning .. ??? Drowning is not an action one makes. That is circumstantial. The action being taken would be swimming. Free will ONLY pertains to something you do or don't do. You have the choice. Drowning is not an action YOU take. then why are you under the water allowing someone to drown you

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 02:17 PM
Teaching children about the birds and the bees does not require a graphical aid. It is explained well enough through verbal, or a picture of this or that to aid in their explanation. isn't a picture a graphical aid? Yes, but a picture can be educational and not pornographic. It doesn't have to be provocative as porn is. The two are not the same, pornographic pictures and graphical aid. to some your acceptant that it's ok to use pictures with sex acts on it as a teaching aid would constitute as being pornographic No it would not, if it would, why do they do it in schools? Not talking about pictures of two people having sex exactly.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 02:18 PM
Someone being drown has absolutely nothing to do with their free will. Cowboy...so you actually believe that someone that are trying to intentionly drown you are not trying to take away your "Free Will" No because if the case ever happens, I have the ability to try to not drown. AAAAAAAALLLLLLLL free will is, is the ability to do an action or not. You can eat when you want, you can drink when you want, you can worship god or not, you can do ANYTHING or NOT. That is all. A person tying you down does not take away your free will. Being stuck in prison does not take away your free will. All free will pertains to is an action you can take. if "Free Will" pertains to the action you take....then why are you the one under the water drowning .. ??? Drowning is not an action one makes. That is circumstantial. The action being taken would be swimming. Free will ONLY pertains to something you do or don't do. You have the choice. Drowning is not an action YOU take. then why are you under the water allowing someone to drown you I'm not under any water nor am I drowning? What are you talking about?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 08/26/11 02:22 PM Edited by funches on Fri 08/26/11 02:23 PM
Someone being drown has absolutely nothing to do with their free will. Cowboy...so you actually believe that someone that are trying to intentionly drown you are not trying to take away your "Free Will" No because if the case ever happens, I have the ability to try to not drown. AAAAAAAALLLLLLLL free will is, is the ability to do an action or not. You can eat when you want, you can drink when you want, you can worship god or not, you can do ANYTHING or NOT. That is all. A person tying you down does not take away your free will. Being stuck in prison does not take away your free will. All free will pertains to is an action you can take. if "Free Will" pertains to the action you take....then why are you the one under the water drowning .. ??? Drowning is not an action one makes. That is circumstantial. The action being taken would be swimming. Free will ONLY pertains to something you do or don't do. You have the choice. Drowning is not an action YOU take. then why are you under the water allowing someone to drown you I'm not under any water nor am I drowning? What are you talking about? oh so now you have amnesia....is it a result of nearly being drown to refresh your memory we were talking about taking away free will.... so again if you have free will why are you under the water allowing someone to drown you....

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 02:25 PM
Someone being drown has absolutely nothing to do with their free will. Cowboy...so you actually believe that someone that are trying to intentionly drown you are not trying to take away your "Free Will" No because if the case ever happens, I have the ability to try to not drown. AAAAAAAALLLLLLLL free will is, is the ability to do an action or not. You can eat when you want, you can drink when you want, you can worship god or not, you can do ANYTHING or NOT. That is all. A person tying you down does not take away your free will. Being stuck in prison does not take away your free will. All free will pertains to is an action you can take. if "Free Will" pertains to the action you take....then why are you the one under the water drowning .. ??? Drowning is not an action one makes. That is circumstantial. The action being taken would be swimming. Free will ONLY pertains to something you do or don't do. You have the choice. Drowning is not an action YOU take. then why are you under the water allowing someone to drown you I'm not under any water nor am I drowning? What are you talking about? oh so now you have amnesia....is it a result of nearly being drown to refresh your memory we were talking about taking away free will.... so again if you have free will why are you under the water allowing someone to drown you.... You bump your head? lol I'm not under any water, nor am I drowning. But IF I was, that someone would not be taking away my free will. Free will only pertains to actions YOU take. You still have the ability to try and escape or try not to drown. You don't HAVE to drown unless you just allow them to drown you.