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Now you're just talking senseless. Free will = the ability to choose. You choose what you do through the day's of your life. You choose where you go, what you do, how you do it. in that case even an ameoba has the ability to choose...but does not have a brain ...which means according to you a brain is not required to have "Free Will" that would explain why people believe they have "Free Will" when they don't |
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if God tells Mary that she will have a child and Mary makes the decision that she do not want to get pregnant out of wedlock exactly how can Mary use her "Free Will" not to get pregnant by God 1) hold her breath 2) put on a Chastity Belt 3) sprinkle unholy water on her forbidden fruit 4) wear Granny Panties and this is why just because one can make a decision doesn't mean that they have the "Will" to enforce or carry out that decision this is why "Free Will" for those other than God is a myth Not true. I have already shown that Marry was willing. She even said if it be the will, let it be done, again no free will was taken away. unless you can read minds then you have no idea what Mary was thinking ...which is just your way of avoiding answering a difficult question the question asks what could mary do if she was not willing to get pregnant by God and how could she use her "Free Will" to enforce her decision 1) tell God to wear a condom 2) get some holy spirit spermicide 3) place satan with a pitchfork into her forbidden fruit or just admit that it's nothing that Mary can do ...if God wants her to get pregnant then she has no choice but to get pregnant because "Free Will" is a lie |
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Now you're just talking senseless. Free will = the ability to choose. You choose what you do through the day's of your life. You choose where you go, what you do, how you do it. in that case even an ameoba has the ability to choose...but does not have a brain ...which means according to you a brain is not required to have "Free Will" that would explain why people believe they have "Free Will" when they don't Got a simple question for you Funches. Were you forced to post in this forum? Were you forced to even come online today? Were you literally forced to do anything today? If not, then my point is shown that you have free will. You did things on your own, your own thoughts, your own desires, your own actions, thus you used your free will to do these things. |
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if God tells Mary that she will have a child and Mary makes the decision that she do not want to get pregnant out of wedlock exactly how can Mary use her "Free Will" not to get pregnant by God 1) hold her breath 2) put on a Chastity Belt 3) sprinkle unholy water on her forbidden fruit 4) wear Granny Panties and this is why just because one can make a decision doesn't mean that they have the "Will" to enforce or carry out that decision this is why "Free Will" for those other than God is a myth Not true. I have already shown that Marry was willing. She even said if it be the will, let it be done, again no free will was taken away. unless you can read minds then you have no idea what Mary was thinking ...which is just your way of avoiding answering a difficult question the question asks what could mary do if she was not willing to get pregnant by God and how could she use her "Free Will" to enforce her decision 1) tell God to wear a condom 2) get some holy spirit spermicide 3) place satan with a pitchfork into her forbidden fruit or just admit that it's nothing that Mary can do ...if God wants her to get pregnant then she has no choice but to get pregnant because "Free Will" is a lie Since Marry said let it be done, and it was done. She could have said no, and it would not have been done. She was ok with it happening so it happened, if she wouldn't have been ok with it happening it wouldn't have. |
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Now you're just talking senseless. Free will = the ability to choose. You choose what you do through the day's of your life. You choose where you go, what you do, how you do it. in that case even an ameoba has the ability to choose...but does not have a brain ...which means according to you a brain is not required to have "Free Will" that would explain why people believe they have "Free Will" when they don't Got a simple question for you Funches. Were you forced to post in this forum? Were you forced to even come online today? Were you literally forced to do anything today? If not, then my point is shown that you have free will. You did things on your own, your own thoughts, your own desires, your own actions, thus you used your free will to do these things. I've made a decision to post in the forum...but without a computer I couldn't just because you made a decision to do something doesn't mean you have the will or the means to carry out that decision ... if your God wanted to post in the forums...he wouldn't need a computer to do it...that's why your God has "Free Will" and you don't |
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Since Marry said let it be done, and it was done. She could have said no, and it would not have been done. She was ok with it happening so it happened, if she wouldn't have been ok with it happening it wouldn't have. Cowboy...actually it was Gabriel that told mary that she was going to have a baby...Gabriel also told mary not to be afraid...which indicates that she wasn't for the idea of getting pregnant ... perhaps Gabriel and not God is The Father of Jesus...but anyway are are you going to stop avoiding the question and do like Gabriel said...and not be afraid so here's the question again what could mary do if she was not willing to get pregnant by God and how could she use her "Free Will" to enforce her decision |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Fri 08/12/11 02:15 PM
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Funches....you asked:
"What could Mary do IF she was NOT willing?" Well Funches..she could have simply just said NO.... BUT.... BUT... BUT... ACCORDING to what Mary SPOKE in RESPONSE to the good news from Gabriel , it SHOWED that Mary WAS WIlling!! As Cowboy already pointed out earlier in the following scripture: Luke 1:38 38And Mary SAID, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; BE IT UNTO ME ACCORDNG TO THY WORD. And the angel departed from her.... Funches...God will NEVER go against man's Free Will.......otherwise you I and everyone else would have been FORCED to be SAVED by now. But God thru His Holy Spirit will NEVER push Himself on ANYONE...otherwise we would ALL be nothing more than a bunch of robots. In Mary's case, God is a Big enough God to KNOW that Mary WAS going to be WILLING at the APPOINTED TIME....you see, God KNOWS ALL THINGS.... and SEES AND KNOWS the HEART of man. ((((  Hugs from the Heart))))
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Funches....because you ARE seeking Answers, all WILL
become clear in due time. Stay ENCOURAGED....I admire you for continually pressing forth and seeking TRUE biblical answers to bible questions, and not just settling for man's opinion. |
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Funches....you asked: "What could Mary do IF she was NOT willing?" Well Funches..she could have simply just said NO.... BUT.... BUT... BUT... ACCORDING to what Mary SPOKE in RESPONSE to the good news from Gabriel , it SHOWED that Mary WAS WIlling!! As Cowboy already pointed out earlier in the following scripture: Luke 1:38 38And Mary SAID, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; BE IT UNTO ME ACCORDNG TO THY WORD. And the angel departed from her.... the bible states that Gabriel told mary not to be afraid ...why would he tell her that if she wasn't afraid ... didn't Mary know what happenned to Adam and Eve when they disobeyed a direct command from God .... so even if she wasn't willing to get pregnant...she would be afraid not to....and that is how the prophecies of God takes away "Free Will" and proves that "Free WIll' is a Lie so what you going to say now...that Mary never heard of the story of Adam and Eve |
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Funches...God will NEVER go against man's Free did God ask Adam did he wish to be created did God ask Adam could he snatch out one of his rib to make Eve did God ask Eve if she wasnted to be created did God ask Adam did he want a mate did God ask Adam and Eve did they want to multiply or did he command them to do it so where was the "Free Will" during Creation |
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Funches....because you ARE seeking Answers, all WILL become clear in due time. Stay ENCOURAGED....I admire you for continually pressing forth and seeking TRUE biblical answers to bible questions, and not just settling for man's opinion. well actually the bible is Man's opinions...you just choose to believe otherwise |
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I consider educated guesses to be things that a reasonable person could deduce from their own experiences i consider 'prophecy' to be prediction of things that could not have been deducted from experience alone for example,,,,if a gal walks in with a guy who she is beaming at I could make an educated guess that 'the two of you will wed' although there are many factors as to why two people would wed...money, green card, pregnancy etc. but I'm thinkng more in the realm of what if there are particular signs that two people that are destined to wed would make to each other...a sort of subconscious mating ritual that you the observer subconsciously picks up which lead to your prediction that the two will wed IF I guessed however that 'the two of you will wed , but on your wedding day, there will be three major setbacks, one of which will be a very disappointing absence,,,but the day will end in a great windfall' that would be more of a 'prophecy' , particularly if the wedding day went PRECISELY as 'guessed' The cake collapses(set back one) The church floods( set back two) The mother in law is hospitalized before the service for food poisoning( set back three and the disappoing absence) at the reception, the groom sees an alert on his phone that his lotto numbers are winners (the great windfall) ,,,its really , the precision in DETAILS, that makes something more than an 'educated guess',,,,,in my opinion what if you predicted that there would be three major setbacks pertaining to the couple's wedding because of other signs you subconsciouly picked up from the couple of things they have experience and passed on to you in their mating ritual as you observed them in other words can you come up with a scenerio of something that the couple experienced earlier which would logically cause you to predict and link the couple to a flood a cake collapse and food posioning on the day of their wedding I cant think of anything that would logically cause me to come up with a precise number of setbacks, the nature of one setback and the very rare type of ending to their night,,,, especially if all I observed was them walking in the door smiling at each other,,, FOR EXAMPLE earlier the couple in question made the decision to become engage while viewing a flock of birds flying in migration formation when you happen to observe this engaged couple interacting for some reason you just happen to think to yourself that the couple will wed the church will flood the cake wil collapse the mother in law will get food poisoning and the groom will win the lotto when you observe the couple and what you didn't realize was they both were subconsciouly relaying all this information to you in hand gestures body language etc. in which your subconscious processed which lead to your conclusions how is that possible? when the couple viewed the birds earlier the birds were actually flying in the opposite direction of their normal migration pattern because they sensed an interruption in the Earth's magnetic field due to subtle Earth termors that will eventually lead to an Earthquake that would take place at a specific date and time and area which cause the birds to change their migration pattern, this information was relayed from the birds to the couple as they watch them fly but the couple not being able to process the information but could retain the information instead used this information of the Earthquake as a time and date and area to hold their wedding .... the tremors cause by the Earthquake would explain why the church would be flooded and why the cake would collaspe and why the mother-in-law would go to the hospital for food poisoning but it was actually an imbalance of her inner ear brought on by the Earth tremors that cause her to be nausea and it appeared to be food poisoning and the daughter in gestures relayed this to you due to the fact that she subconsciouly knew that an Earth quake would take place and that her mother easily gets sea sick ... the point is that the mind consciously and subconsciously is constantly bombarded with information and can process it to deduce a logical conclusion which people like to call a prediction ..but it's actually simple logic the same can be applied as to how you knew that the groom would win the lotto .... I think there is a difference between some mental osmosis (Transferring information telekinetically) and what we consider 'simple logic' none of the information in the example was transmitted telekinetically, it was all transmitted by body language and inherent knowledge that the consciously mind viewed and dismiss as being nothing but was retained and processed by the subconscious so knowledge of a birds migration and geographic trends is 'inherent' knowledge? thats interesting what body language could someone transmit, merely walking through a door, that would trigger such an 'inherently' logical conclusion to that much detail? an example would be all the hoopla involved with the East Coast Earthquake about how animals was able to sense that the Quake was about to take place before people could and that was my point that someone could consciously see a migration of birds flying and wouldn't think twice about it but subconsciously interpet that the birds were flying in the wrong migration direction which consciously lead them to think that sometime in the near future that an Earthquake is about to take place and this is why prophecy is nothing magical but just the ability to pick up signs and interpet them as to a logical conclusion or outcome and in the case of God it clearly shows how he manipulate the laws of physics or take away Free Will to ensure that his prophecies are fullfilled as in the case of Mary...there are no indications in the bible that God asked Mary if she wanted a child...he instead sent an angel to tell her that she would have one which in turn took away her "Free Will" |
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Funches...God will NEVER go against man's Free did God ask Adam did he wish to be created did God ask Adam could he snatch out one of his rib to make Eve did God ask Eve if she wasnted to be created did God ask Adam did he want a mate did God ask Adam and Eve did they want to multiply or did he command them to do it so where was the "Free Will" during Creation did God ask Adam did he wish to be created ---------------- This has nothing to do with his free will. Your free doesn't start till you are created. Would be literally impossible for Adam to have "wanted" to be created or not. There is no thought before creation. ===================== did God ask Adam could he snatch out one of his rib to make Eve ----------------- Still not taking away anyone's free will. Free will is a choice of ACTION. To choose to do something or not. The taking one of Adam's ribs had nothing to do with this, there was no choice in the matter. ====================== did God ask Eve if she wasnted to be created ------------------ Again, no choice in the matter. Free will starts AFTER one is created. Before that being is created their is no choice, no thought, no anything. ======================= did God ask Adam did he want a mate ------------------- Again not taking away anyone's free will. Adam didn't have to make a relationship with Eve if he hadn't wanted to. Adam and Eve were not "forced" to join together and make more. They were not "controlled" like puppets, they had choice. did God ask Adam and Eve did they want to multiply or did he command them to do it ========================== did God ask Adam and Eve did they want to multiply or did he command them to do it -------------------- Does not matter either way. One being commanded to do something does NOT take free will away. They could have been commanded and laughed, then just went about their day. Free will is a CHOICE of ACTION. It is the ability to choose to do or not do. Regardless if their is punishment, they have a choice. Again, that is all free will is. Is the choice of action. |
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The Prophecy
that dating sites will give the option for it members to become 3D virtual clones of themselves in which the members will be able to interact within a simulated environment as a walking talking person and can go out on dates with other clone members on the site.....the clones will be able to eat dinner go to the movies and even be able to have sex have sex?.....oh my God....oops...er... I meant WTF? but anyway is this why the bible deem "Lust" an abomination...because it prophesied that one day Lust will be used in a way that would make Sodom and Gomorrah look like a girl scout bake sale because when you think about it "Lust" and the interactivity by clones brings up a hell of a lot of religious moral questions for instance if two religious unmarried clones have sex....is it fornication are the two persons controlling those two clones committing heathenous fornication and fornicating in their heart |
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The Prophecy that dating sites will give the option for it members to become 3D virtual clones of themselves in which the members will be able to interact within a simulated environment as a walking talking person and can go out on dates with other clone members on the site.....the clones will be able to eat dinner go to the movies and even be able to have sex have sex?.....oh my God....oops...er... I meant WTF? but anyway is this why the bible deem "Lust" an abomination...because it prophesied that one day Lust will be used in a way that would make Sodom and Gomorrah look like a girl scout bake sale because when you think about it "Lust" and the interactivity by clones brings up a hell of a lot of religious moral questions for instance if two religious unmarried clones have sex....is it fornication are the two persons controlling those two clones committing heathenous fornication and fornicating in their heart Intentional thoughts on specific things are just as sinful as doing them. Matthew 5:28 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. |
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did God ask Adam could he snatch out one of his rib to make Eve ----------------- Still not taking away anyone's free will. Free will is a choice of ACTION. To choose to do something or not. The taking one of Adam's ribs had nothing to do with this, there was no choice in the matter. if Adam had no choice in the matter when God snatched out one of his ribs....now you understand why Adam had no Free Will |
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The Prophecy that dating sites will give the option for it members to become 3D virtual clones of themselves in which the members will be able to interact within a simulated environment as a walking talking person and can go out on dates with other clone members on the site.....the clones will be able to eat dinner go to the movies and even be able to have sex have sex?.....oh my God....oops...er... I meant WTF? but anyway is this why the bible deem "Lust" an abomination...because it prophesied that one day Lust will be used in a way that would make Sodom and Gomorrah look like a girl scout bake sale because when you think about it "Lust" and the interactivity by clones brings up a hell of a lot of religious moral questions for instance if two religious unmarried clones have sex....is it fornication are the two persons controlling those two clones committing heathenous fornication and fornicating in their heart Intentional thoughts on specific things are just as sinful as doing them. Matthew 5:28 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. it's not an actual woman or man....it's a virtual clone ...in fact it's not even a real person/entity.......so what does the bible say about that |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Fri 08/26/11 10:14 AM
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THE PROPHECY
This thread will soon die and no one is liable to read it again except funches! 
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THE PROPHECY This tread will soon die and no one is liable to read it again except funches. the tread will die?.... what's a tread? ....and how will it die? reveal this to us oh s1owhand the great mystical prophet pooba |
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did God ask Adam could he snatch out one of his rib to make Eve ----------------- Still not taking away anyone's free will. Free will is a choice of ACTION. To choose to do something or not. The taking one of Adam's ribs had nothing to do with this, there was no choice in the matter. if Adam had no choice in the matter when God snatched out one of his ribs....now you understand why Adam had no Free Will God taking a rib from Adam didn't cause Adam to do anything nor did it restrict Adam from doing anything, thus not taking away his free will. ONCE AGAIN, FREE WILL = THE ABILITY TO DO OR NOT DO WHAT YOU WISH. God taking a rib from Adam again, didn't restrict him from doing something, nor did it force Adam to physically do anything. |
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