no I'm not JennieBean
yes you are Funches
no I'm not JennieBean
yes you are Funches

in a debate an explanation is generally given as to why one claim that the other is wrong ...one can use their "Free WIll" and not give an explantion...but the consequences in taking such a position is that the person that made the claim about the post being wrong was made due to faith and not any viable reasoning

JennieBean...an ameba does not have a brain ...you are trying to claim that it has one to justify your beliefs ....

"Free Will" would mean that one has the ability to make any decision and use their will to turn that decision into reality ...if one can not accomplish this...then it's called fantasy

this is Gods have it and why their creations don't

it's it not free then don't claim that it's "Free Will" ...call it Pay-WIll or Pay-Pal

that people choose to claim that "Free Will" is "Free" is another example of how society allows acceptable delusions

The will is simply the will.

It is an attribute.

Any living thing that can think or receive and respond to stimuli has some kind of brain matter whether you think so or not. That is my opinion.

in the case of an ameoba having a brain, scientific fact overrules your opinion, especially since an ameoba can not think for itself and is control by enviromental stimuli ...

just as the stimuli controls the will of the ameoba the laws of physic controls your will and why the will of God controls the will of the follower and this is why no one has "Free Will"

most of your decisions are made and your Will controlled under "duress" due to food water sex and shelter ..take those out of the equation and you might have "Free Will"

Scientific "fact" often disagrees with me. I don't much care what their opinion is or how they define "thought."

I don't believe that an amoeba makes use of its will at all. It responds simply on instinct as do most living things.

In order to make use of the will one must be more aware and conscious.

Its true that most decisions are made due to instinct, even in humans. To make use of the will, takes mindful effort and consciousness.

first definition of free will from miriam webster

voluntary choice or decision


not a delusion, a bonafide DEFINITION



second and third definitions of voluntary from miriam webster

2. unconstrained by interference : self-determining
3: done by design or intention

if I pick up a book, thats free will
if I follow whats written in the book, thats free will

if I dont follow whats written in the book, thats free will too

scientific fact disagree with you this time because you are describing the experiments of Dr. Frankenstein when he used electicity as a stimuli to animate muscles tissue which is simular as to how the amoeba function...but according to you since the muscle tissue reacted to stimuli it therefore must have a brain

also just because someone is aware doesn't mean they have the ability to use their Will to turn their decisions into actions

an example of this is someone that can not walk...just because they made the decision to walk does not mean they have the Will to carry out that function...the same with any person, your Will is limited to a set of options that you get to choose from and which ever one you choose you must pay a price for....which is why it's not Free

In the case of Mary having a child her decision wasn't voluntary ..it was a command..therefore according to Webster no Free Will




even delusion has a bonafide definition ..which would apply to those that believe that anything in life is "Free"



The Wrath of God for not following a direct command from God is clearly constraint by interference ...therefore in the case of mary no Free Will



Mary's pregnancy was God's intention and part of his Divine plan not mary's...therefore no Free Will



MsHarmony...do the book you are referring to have anything in it about what would happen to Mary or anyone that did not follow a direct command from God ...if not...then that is an indication that you are still off the mark in the discussion at hand

the answers to the topic are in the bible not the dictionary

are we discussing Mary or Christians

because I could certainly say men are homicidal maniacs and use Ted Bundy to support that theory


as a Christian, I have as much free will as any other living human being,,,


biblical answers ? well answers are usually interpretive because the bible gives MANY examples of many different situations and outcomes throughout the history that it covers

but for me, some of the answers are these


JOS 24:15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”


certainly, I can CHOOSE God or I can CHOOSE something or someone else, and I , in so doing, will CHOOSE whatever comes with that person or thing


I have the free will to choose meth or salad for instance

I can know the outcome of meth is undesirable or even DEATH, and choose the salad instead,, but that would not make my choice for salad any less VOLUNTARY or of my own free will


I can choose to put a gun to my head and pull the trigger, but choosing not to(even if it was because I wish not to die) does not mean I didnt have free will to make such a choice

The will is not having the ability to fly or to walk if you don't have legs.

It is the ability to decide how to think, how to feel and what action to take.

You just don't know what the Will is funches.

But I know a person that by any doctor's examination should not be walking. He has no muscles in his right leg and very few in his left. And yet he walks. If he were to believe what the doctor said, he would have been in a wheel chair.

He walks and only has muscles in his big toe. To lift his leg up a stair he has to lift it with his hand while hanging on to the wall or leaning on his cane.

He has the will to walk, and he walks.

But the will is not the ability to do, it is the volition to decide to do or think.

anyone can claim to be a Christian, but supposedly a Christian gives their life over to God which means that are bound by his rules, if one makes the decision not to follow his rules or commands then they are not a Christian ..this is why as long as you claim to be a Christian you do not have the "Free Will" to do as you please beyond the rules set by God

another who has issues with 'rules',, so be it

I cant claim to be a laywer without passing a bar exam, but that doesnt mean I dont have the free will to decide to be a lawyer, or the free will to practice law as best as I can interpret it once I make that choice,,

JennieBean..you are referring to thoughts....sure you have the ability to make a thought or a decision but that do not mean that you have the Will to turn those thoughts and decisions into actions ....that's why people dream or have fantasies

if you get caught practicing law without a license you are not under the threat of burning in Hell for all eternity ....this is why I try to keep the topic pertaining to God rules

ok, so where in the bible is the word 'christian'?

You cannot turn any thought into an action if you do not first decide to do so. If you do not have the will to get up in the morning, you will stay in bed until you do have the will to get up.

The Will is not the action, it is the decision to act. It is the decision about what to think about, what to put your attention on, what to believe and what to do.

If you do not have the ability to do something that has nothing to do with your will to do it.

The man who wanted to fly and had the will to do so, invented a flying machine.

The will is the soul. The soul is free.

If you believe in the soul, believe that the soul is free.

A robot would not have a will of its own and it is not free to make choices. It is not sentient or alive and it has no soul or self awareness.

Hint, it is there three times

not once explaining what a CHRISTIAN is or believes, just referring to a person or persons in the bible as 'christian'

wow that was a quantum leap off the topic at hand.....

but anyway ask and you will receive

Acts 11:26
Acts 26:28
1st Peter 4:16

so what's your point ...that since the word Christian is mention three times in the bible that only Christians have the options of picking and choosing which three commandments to follow

JennieBean....now you're contradicting yourself

if you make the decision to get out of bed, then why would you lack the will to carry out that decision ..especially since Will is Free...



the decision to act is called "a decision to act", the Will is what turns the decision into an action



that's called thought



that's called fantasy



that's called necessity



if the soul is Free then why is it trapped in your body...



with the way that technology has advanced your statement is more of a matter of faith than reality