Well, if "Christ-like" behavior is the quality of a true Christian, then I'm definitely a Christian, for I didn't not come to judge the world either.

I have a different perception of my surroundings I guess as I have never lived in a place where I see a constant message of hatred 'in the name of God', if anything, the most constant message I see in my surroundings is do what feels good to you, be damned anyone else.I see it in the media, in the crimes people commit, I see it in reality television, I see few sources that take time to promote 'hate' in any name but their own.

Abra the above post was not written by me, it was from josie68

also, for Josie

Im not sure where you got an idea that you are unforgivable

(Acts 13:39) - "and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses."

(Titus 2:13-14) - "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus; 14who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds."

"I'm willing to bet that if you lived in a society where people were constantly telling you that if you don't support hatred in the name of Zeus toward everyone who doesn't believe in Zeus or obey his commands, you'd soon tire of hearing about Zeus even though you don't believe in him."

This cannot be understood by those who do this because they are fooled into believing that they are "saving" those poor souls who will suffer Zues' wrath for not believing in him. LOL You know the "wearing of others shoes before judgement" type thing. They can't walk in the others shoes, their mind altering indoctrination is too strong.

Sorry, that was actually a typo on my behalf. I meant to type "Josie wrote:" but I was already thinking ahead to what I was going to say next so I typed in "Jeanniebean wrote" instead.

Me baad.

Yes I know. That's why I try to use Zeus instead hoping that they might realize the folly of their ways, but they still don't see it, they say things like, "I have a different perception of my surroundings I guess as I have never lived in a place where I see a constant message of hatred 'in the name of God'"

So, yes, they don't see it.

the folly of my ways,,,, sounds like preaching,,,,lol

I was actually referring to the proselytizers of the religion.

I realize that you don't actually proselytize the religion. You simply allow yourself to get caught up in the crossfire between proselytizers and the non-Christian folk. You feel a need to 'defend' your faith because you see it as being "under fire".

But I think the truth is that no one is actually attacking your faith, or at least they aren't meaning to. It's just seems that way because they are arguing against the hardcore proselytizers who refuse to acknowledge or respect anyone else's beliefs or non-beliefs.

But then your need to 'defend' your own personal beliefs appears that you are actually supporting the hardcore proselytizers, so there's a fine line there.

If a proselytizer just got finished telling everyone that if they don't believe in the Bible they are refusing to acknowledge and obey "God", and then you come in right behind them giving support to the same religion it just appears that you are also supporting their harecore proselytizing views.

So actually, instead of saying that you don't see the religion being spread as hatred in the name of God, you'd probably do better if you just said, 'Yes, unfortunately there are people who proselytize Christianity in that way, and I don't personally approve of that"

Unless of course you do.

??? I was responding to a post stating

"I'm willing to bet that if you lived in a society where people were constantly telling you that if you don't support hatred in the name of Zeus toward everyone who doesn't believe in Zeus or obey his commands, you'd soon tire of hearing about Zeus even though you don't believe in him. "


my approval wasnt being questioned rather how my perception might change in a certain situation

a situation I have not experienced,,,

Thank you Abracadabra..But you have probably just opened up another debate... there are a lot who would not agree with that at all..

But it is whatyou would suppose a loving
God would do..

I think it's very telling that Jewish men, to this day, still pray this as part of their morning prayers:



Sometimes the prayers will also express similar sentiments about not having been created a gentile or a slave. Other religions have similar male-centric sentiments.

If, as an unbeliever, I had to have a prayer, one part would be to wish for strong, dangerous women with whom to work with in taming the Universe. NOT dominating one's fellow beings.

I contend that one of the pillars of Abrahamic religions in particular is that of a mask for male d0minance games and unbridled ambition thirsting for ultimate power.


-Kerry O.

Hmmm somehow we always seem to have the ones telling us we are going to hell for everything we have done shoved down our throats..

I guess my idea comes from the fact that people say that to be forgiven you must repent and turn away from your sins.

Well I havent repented and I am not really sorry.

ok I know that makes me sound horrible but,
I am 42 years old and I am in a serious relationship. The Bible teaches that to be with someone when you are not married is a sin..

So I have sinned, am I sorry Nope. do I repent, nope because that would make me a liar as well, because i am not married and I will turn around and do it again..

so as a Christian or whatever you call someone who believes in God, that means that I have knowingly chosen to sin, and am knowingly continueing in my sin..

So when I am married does that make my sin forgiven even though I am now married, well you wouldnt think so as I am still not sorry for the sin I have committed, so how can I be forgiven if i am not sorry and have not turned from it..
Dont think that I am being silly this is a real question as from what I am seeing there is no way through god if you are not forgiven..
Or if you are not rightious, so what exactly is rightious rats I cant spell that silly word. And what exactly is forgiven and a sin..See it is all very confusing when you think about it, which is why its much easier to not think about it.

no comment,,, tough decisions, we all have them

I was looking at the universe in a video through the Hubble space craft last night and I had a spiritual awakening.

It was like this:.... WOW.

Now today I find I've outgrown most of these threads. They seem so small a petty.


Check it out: http://www.flixxy.com/hubble-ultra-deep-field-3d.htm

Its awesome to think about.

All you're saying here is that you disagree with the rules and regulations set forth by an ancient Hebrew society who claimed that their rules are the "Word of God"

In truth you probably don't even truly believe that any God would have made up such lame rules to begin with.

Like you say, you are not sorry about these things and therefore you feel no need to 'repent' for them. From your perspective they were not premeditated act of "crime". On the contrary they were simply situations that you into via pure innocence, and they turned "evil" without your consent or permission. So you got away from the "evil" environment.

Why should you feel sorry or repent for that. You did the RIGHT THING!

So I agree, you have nothing to repent. Everything you did was in a spirit of innocence and survival AND for a longing for true "righteousness" and True LOVE.

What could possibly be wrong with that?

Absolutely NOTHING!

So why should you feel sorry for that or repent for it?

You shouldn't.

Would a truly righteous, loving, and intelligent God be upset with you? NO! He/she/it/them would probably be extremely proud of you for standing up for what it truly loving and righteous!

So there's no reason whatsoever to believe that a truly all-wise all-benevolent God would be upset with you.



Christians don't OWN God!

They aren't the only people who believe in a "God" or a "God concept".

On the contrary mankind has come up with a myriad of spiritual philosophies and ideas of what a "god" might be like.

Don't forget Josie, that from a Christian point of view, you're in the same boat with the Buddhists, or Wiccans, or even the Jews or Muslims, etc. The Christians charge every non-Christian with rejection of their version of God.

Why do you continue to allow the Chrisitans to OWN the "god concept"?

They are the ones who lay these nonsensical guilt trips on you. They have a God who simply hates everyone who refuses to climb on board with the religious bigotries.

You really need to just reject the whole damned shebang.

Move forward to Buddhism, or Wicca, or just view God in YOUR OWN WAY intuitively.

Allowing the rumors, mythologies, and ancient male-chauvinistic bigotries of some rude and crude society to make you feel guilty for things you have no true reason to feel guilty about is nonsense.

You know in your heart that you aren't "guilty" of anything. All you want out of life is LOVE, companionship, security, and a best friend that you can rely on to be there FOR YOU and WITH YOU rather than being all selfish and ignorant, or even mentally ill.

What's wrong with that?

NOTHING! There's nothing wrong with that Josie, so why on "God's" green earth should you feel guilty about it?

All you need to do is renounce the Christian's arrogant selfish claims to have a copyright on "God", turn to a more LOVING religion or spirituality, and be done with all that hatefulness spread in the name of "sin" by Christians.

You know every well that you're a decent well-meaning person. And that's all that matters.

Tell everyone else to take their judgmental hate and shove it where the sun don't shine.

You don't need to justify yourself to religious bigots.

Yes it is true that it's extremely petty that people today are still trying to use religion to lay absurd guilt trips on decent innocent people just for not joining their hate cults.

But the results of their pettiness is not trivial, unfortunately they do succeed in causing other people to live their lives out feeling inferior or 'guilt-ridden' for things they have absolutely no valid reason to be feeling guilty about.

So even though the religious bigotry itself is indeed quite "petty" the results of religious bigotry can be quite extreme in terms of the harm it does to many individuals.

In fact, look at 9/11 and the fact that thousands of humans were killed and their families left in tears. Was that "petty" Jeannie?

No, it was horribly to the extreme!

But the cause of it, was indeed petty. The cause was nothing more than religious bigotry.

So in that sense, pettiness can have an extreme affect on the lives of many innocent people.

The constant proselyting of religions that are trying to lay guilt trips on people who refuse to join their cults, also end up having extremely horrible affects if you consider how many people are negatively affected by this kind of constant and relentless hateful rhetoric.

So lots of pettiness unchecked, becomes extremism.

This is why it's important to speak out against it.

Freedom of speech is a wasted concept if not used to expose the negative things that societies do, even if those things do indeed seem to be "petty" individually.

A single cancer cell is "petty" too. Especially if removed before it has time to grow and spread. But ignore that cancer cell and let it grow unchecked, and soon you have a deadly irreversible situation that is not the least bit petty.

I post here, not for the purpose of tying to change minds that have already been infected by religious cancer, but in the hope that my thoughts and ideas might serve to inoculate the unaffected so that they can grow to become free of the disease altogether.

I post now, for future generations.

I sow the psychic seeds that I would like to see grow to help humanity flourish in the future.

Let's do away with these "jealous God" religions altogether. And move forward with a better picture of humanity. Be it spiritual or secular, I truly don't care.

Let's just bury these "jealous God" religions once and for all, right along side Zeus and company where they belong.

I am sure there are those who would want to "do away" with crusaders such as yourself out there too Abra. The truth is, people only hear what they are ready to hear, including you.

The universal law of allowance is important for the expansion of the universe.

The unwanted must be allowed, for the wanted to be received.

Sometimes people express their desire for a less diverse universe. They long for a place where there are not so many unwanted things, a place where more things are exactly as they prefer them to be.

But you did not come forth into this physical experience wanting to take all of the experiences that exist and whittle them down to a handful of good ideas upon which all of you agree, for that would lead to endedness, which cannot be.

This is an expanding Universe, and all things must be allowed. In other words, for you to understand and experience what you desire, you must understand that which you do not desire, for, in order to be able to choose and focus, both must be present and understood.

You did not come to fix a broken world.

You came to be a partner in co-creation.

You're right. It is senseless to try to become a doctor of spiritual well-being for all of humanity.

I think I'll spend the rest of today just playing the saxophone instead.

This is not actually a reply to the above post but after reading the post I had some questions.

According to the post and to many other sources and other Christians, angels sound exceedingly similar to humans.

I mean, what’s the difference if a being has physical form or not. As long as those beings share exactly the same non-physical values, attributes, and traits, than what would be the purpose of creating different physical and non-physical versions of beings who are only capable of the same kind of conscious awareness as every other created being?

Of course if people want to give angels the same non-physical attributes, then it would seem logical that the creator would have created any number of life-forms with exactly the same non-physical attributes. Would that indicate that this creator never learns?Perhaps the creative power is limited in some manner like a machine that can only follow a particular program?

And then there’s the question, if there are a multitude of other life-forms inside and outside of various physical realms, then would Jesus have to be born within each civilization in order to save all of these creations?

Or are many forms of Jesus required and thus many gods who must all make amends for the mistakes of a creator that can only create beings with similarly faulty non-physical conscious traits and attributes?