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How ever you want to look at it.. People could not of had any warning of disaster top come or people had plenty of warning but would/could not believe it.
The NT even sheds more light on what was going on thier and says our days will be like them.. Nothing New under the sun..Blessings..Miles |
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There is nothing in my life that I cant talk about, otherwise its like things havent happened, everything in our lives helps us to become who we are, good or bad. I agree. Unfortunately it took me decades to learn this simple truth. I know thats why i think you are wondeful..so dont ever worry what anyone will think or say, just be you.  You are great just as you are.  Awww, shucks mam ... 
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I have lost people close to me, even a child, and although it is a horrible thing, it didnt leave me empty and miserable. You see even though there is going to be a reason or maybe my imagination, I saw my baby held in someones hand and he was safe, so to me although I had lost him it was only for a time.. well "josie"... I was just going by your post in which you stated that you wanted to do bodily harm to your ex-husband ...wouldn't that fall into the realm of being miserable and empty to the point that you wanted to do violence to someone that you once claim to have faith in ... but yet you wouldn't feel miserable and empty if you seen all your love ones drown in the Great Flood .....also are you saying that when you lost your baby for that brief time that you weren't miserable and empty during that brief time ....it seem that your ex-husband brought out more emotions from you than the the rest of your family ... and yes it may have been Gas again  that made me feel Ok as you seem to think I have a lot of it.  but that Gas,(as you call it) Or faith as I call it, gets me though things that could be very very difficult without it gas does the same for cars too ....perhaps christians believe that their cars have faith ..so if the car of a Christian doesn't start...it therefore must have lack of faith or the driver that stuck the key into the ignition must lack faith |
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Like I have said the religious feel superior to those who are not therefore they are deserving of living and others are not. This Noah story shows that in them and shows the creators of the religion wanted people to fear the wrath of their creation. "Dragoness"...It's how the usage of the word faith can be used to induce one perhaps not into a state of superiority but a state of close mindedness that may make them seem to be acting superior but not necessarily due to any arrogance of their beliefs but due to fear or peer pressure ... this is why people generally join gangs and why they take vows to never violate the code or belief of the gang ...especially if the leader of the gang threaten to torture,torment or kill them if they do |
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josie68
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I have lost people close to me, even a child, and although it is a horrible thing, it didnt leave me empty and miserable. You see even though there is going to be a reason or maybe my imagination, I saw my baby held in someones hand and he was safe, so to me although I had lost him it was only for a time.. well "josie"... I was just going by your post in which you stated that you wanted to do bodily harm to your ex-husband ...wouldn't that fall into the realm of being miserable and empty to the point that you wanted to do violence to someone that you once claim to have faith in ... but yet you wouldn't feel miserable and empty if you seen all your love ones drown in the Great Flood .....also are you saying that when you lost your baby for that brief time that you weren't miserable and empty during that brief time ....it seem that your ex-husband brought out more emotions from you than the the rest of your family ... and yes it may have been Gas again that made me feel Ok as you seem to think I have a lot of it. but that Gas,(as you call it) Or faith as I call it, gets me though things that could be very very difficult without it gas does the same for cars too ....perhaps christians believe that their cars have faith ..so if the car of a Christian doesn't start...it therefore must have lack of faith or the driver that stuck the key into the ignition must lack faith Wow Strike Oh my gosh funches I am so shocked this is the first time i have seen you say something wrong, you are normally so careful. If you look at what I said i was jokingly saying to someone that If I had enough faith would god strike my ex dead with lightning or something. I was pointing out that just because we have faith it doesnt mean it is going to happen, . I would never want him hurt, he is still my munchkins Dad, yep he was horrid, but he has been through heaps, he has lost everything that he had, his wife, children, home business,and even if he ever can change he will never get back what he lost. I am not angry or upset with him, I feel sorry for him as he was a lovely man before he got mixed up with drugs and alcohol. He can still be a lovely man when he is not on them. I do feel pain but not miserable and empty, I have never felt that, and I dont think that I am better than anyone, I feel pain all the time, but it doesnt leave me miserable or empty, there is a big difference. |
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I have lost people close to me, even a child, and although it is a horrible thing, it didnt leave me empty and miserable. You see even though there is going to be a reason or maybe my imagination, I saw my baby held in someones hand and he was safe, so to me although I had lost him it was only for a time.. well "josie"... I was just going by your post in which you stated that you wanted to do bodily harm to your ex-husband ...wouldn't that fall into the realm of being miserable and empty to the point that you wanted to do violence to someone that you once claim to have faith in ... but yet you wouldn't feel miserable and empty if you seen all your love ones drown in the Great Flood .....also are you saying that when you lost your baby for that brief time that you weren't miserable and empty during that brief time ....it seem that your ex-husband brought out more emotions from you than the the rest of your family ... and yes it may have been Gas again that made me feel Ok as you seem to think I have a lot of it. but that Gas,(as you call it) Or faith as I call it, gets me though things that could be very very difficult without it gas does the same for cars too ....perhaps christians believe that their cars have faith ..so if the car of a Christian doesn't start...it therefore must have lack of faith or the driver that stuck the key into the ignition must lack faith Wow Strike Oh my gosh funches I am so shocked this is the first time i have seen you say something wrong, you are normally so careful. If you look at what I said i was jokingly saying to someone that If I had enough faith would god strike my ex dead with lightning or something. I was pointing out that just because we have faith it doesnt mean it is going to happen, . I would never want him hurt, he is still my munchkins Dad, yep he was horrid, but he has been through heaps, he has lost everything that he had, his wife, children, home business,and even if he ever can change he will never get back what he lost. I am not angry or upset with him, I feel sorry for him as he was a lovely man before he got mixed up with drugs and alcohol. He can still be a lovely man when he is not on them. I do feel pain but not miserable and empty, I have never felt that, and I dont think that I am better than anyone, I feel pain all the time, but it doesnt leave me miserable or empty, there is a big difference. "josie" I didn't say that you wanted him dead...but reading what you just posted about your ex...would it not take faith not to believe that you never had a thought of doing bodily harm to him |
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I have lost people close to me, even a child, and although it is a horrible thing, it didnt leave me empty and miserable. You see even though there is going to be a reason or maybe my imagination, I saw my baby held in someones hand and he was safe, so to me although I had lost him it was only for a time.. well "josie"... I was just going by your post in which you stated that you wanted to do bodily harm to your ex-husband ...wouldn't that fall into the realm of being miserable and empty to the point that you wanted to do violence to someone that you once claim to have faith in ... but yet you wouldn't feel miserable and empty if you seen all your love ones drown in the Great Flood .....also are you saying that when you lost your baby for that brief time that you weren't miserable and empty during that brief time ....it seem that your ex-husband brought out more emotions from you than the the rest of your family ... and yes it may have been Gas again that made me feel Ok as you seem to think I have a lot of it. but that Gas,(as you call it) Or faith as I call it, gets me though things that could be very very difficult without it gas does the same for cars too ....perhaps christians believe that their cars have faith ..so if the car of a Christian doesn't start...it therefore must have lack of faith or the driver that stuck the key into the ignition must lack faith Wow Strike Oh my gosh funches I am so shocked this is the first time i have seen you say something wrong, you are normally so careful. If you look at what I said i was jokingly saying to someone that If I had enough faith would god strike my ex dead with lightning or something. I was pointing out that just because we have faith it doesnt mean it is going to happen, . I would never want him hurt, he is still my munchkins Dad, yep he was horrid, but he has been through heaps, he has lost everything that he had, his wife, children, home business,and even if he ever can change he will never get back what he lost. I am not angry or upset with him, I feel sorry for him as he was a lovely man before he got mixed up with drugs and alcohol. He can still be a lovely man when he is not on them. I do feel pain but not miserable and empty, I have never felt that, and I dont think that I am better than anyone, I feel pain all the time, but it doesnt leave me miserable or empty, there is a big difference. "josie" I didn't say that you wanted him dead...but reading what you just posted about your ex...would it not take faith not to believe that you never had a thought of doing bodily harm to him I guess the problem is that you dont think about what you can do to him,you are just thinking about how to get out of there, how to not end up hurt. He was a mess and not the man I married, I sure prayed a lot that god would wake him up and change him, or just show him what he was doing, but that didnt happen. I am not the sort of person that has ever wanted to hurt someone. If I wanted to i could, i was trained as a child to use a gun and knife well, but i would never think of using it on someone. But reguardless of that I am not sure how it applies, they are completely different emotions, one is loss, and how it affects you, loss is a horrid thing no matter how you handle it, everyone is different, I move on and deal with it later when I am ready. its all i know how to do.. The other is physical pain, and what thoughts you have, mine was to get out, some peoples is defence. hmmm you are on a roll tonight, so what else can you amuse me with. |
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I have lost people close to me, even a child, and although it is a horrible thing, it didnt leave me empty and miserable. You see even though there is going to be a reason or maybe my imagination, I saw my baby held in someones hand and he was safe, so to me although I had lost him it was only for a time.. well "josie"... I was just going by your post in which you stated that you wanted to do bodily harm to your ex-husband ...wouldn't that fall into the realm of being miserable and empty to the point that you wanted to do violence to someone that you once claim to have faith in ... but yet you wouldn't feel miserable and empty if you seen all your love ones drown in the Great Flood .....also are you saying that when you lost your baby for that brief time that you weren't miserable and empty during that brief time ....it seem that your ex-husband brought out more emotions from you than the the rest of your family ... and yes it may have been Gas again that made me feel Ok as you seem to think I have a lot of it. but that Gas,(as you call it) Or faith as I call it, gets me though things that could be very very difficult without it gas does the same for cars too ....perhaps christians believe that their cars have faith ..so if the car of a Christian doesn't start...it therefore must have lack of faith or the driver that stuck the key into the ignition must lack faith Wow Strike Oh my gosh funches I am so shocked this is the first time i have seen you say something wrong, you are normally so careful. If you look at what I said i was jokingly saying to someone that If I had enough faith would god strike my ex dead with lightning or something. I was pointing out that just because we have faith it doesnt mean it is going to happen, . I would never want him hurt, he is still my munchkins Dad, yep he was horrid, but he has been through heaps, he has lost everything that he had, his wife, children, home business,and even if he ever can change he will never get back what he lost. I am not angry or upset with him, I feel sorry for him as he was a lovely man before he got mixed up with drugs and alcohol. He can still be a lovely man when he is not on them. I do feel pain but not miserable and empty, I have never felt that, and I dont think that I am better than anyone, I feel pain all the time, but it doesnt leave me miserable or empty, there is a big difference. "josie" I didn't say that you wanted him dead...but reading what you just posted about your ex...would it not take faith not to believe that you never had a thought of doing bodily harm to him I guess the problem is that you dont think about what you can do to him,you are just thinking about how to get out of there, how to not end up hurt. He was a mess and not the man I married, I sure prayed a lot that god would wake him up and change him, or just show him what he was doing, but that didnt happen. I am not the sort of person that has ever wanted to hurt someone. If I wanted to i could, i was trained as a child to use a gun and knife well, but i would never think of using it on someone. But reguardless of that I am not sure how it applies, they are completely different emotions, one is loss, and how it affects you, loss is a horrid thing no matter how you handle it, everyone is different, I move on and deal with it later when I am ready. its all i know how to do.. The other is physical pain, and what thoughts you have, mine was to get out, some peoples is defence. hmmm you are on a roll tonight, so what else can you amuse me with. Jeez "josie" I'm not suggesting that you wanted to slice up your ex-hsuband like a wombat ...I was thinking more into the realm that pertains to less violence and non-lethal forms of just desserts perhaps hiding all the tiolet paper in his house for starts... |
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Edited by
josie68
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Thu 04/28/11 06:30 AM
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I have lost people close to me, even a child, and although it is a horrible thing, it didnt leave me empty and miserable. You see even though there is going to be a reason or maybe my imagination, I saw my baby held in someones hand and he was safe, so to me although I had lost him it was only for a time.. well "josie"... I was just going by your post in which you stated that you wanted to do bodily harm to your ex-husband ...wouldn't that fall into the realm of being miserable and empty to the point that you wanted to do violence to someone that you once claim to have faith in ... but yet you wouldn't feel miserable and empty if you seen all your love ones drown in the Great Flood .....also are you saying that when you lost your baby for that brief time that you weren't miserable and empty during that brief time ....it seem that your ex-husband brought out more emotions from you than the the rest of your family ... and yes it may have been Gas again that made me feel Ok as you seem to think I have a lot of it. but that Gas,(as you call it) Or faith as I call it, gets me though things that could be very very difficult without it gas does the same for cars too ....perhaps christians believe that their cars have faith ..so if the car of a Christian doesn't start...it therefore must have lack of faith or the driver that stuck the key into the ignition must lack faith Wow Strike Oh my gosh funches I am so shocked this is the first time i have seen you say something wrong, you are normally so careful. If you look at what I said i was jokingly saying to someone that If I had enough faith would god strike my ex dead with lightning or something. I was pointing out that just because we have faith it doesnt mean it is going to happen, . I would never want him hurt, he is still my munchkins Dad, yep he was horrid, but he has been through heaps, he has lost everything that he had, his wife, children, home business,and even if he ever can change he will never get back what he lost. I am not angry or upset with him, I feel sorry for him as he was a lovely man before he got mixed up with drugs and alcohol. He can still be a lovely man when he is not on them. I do feel pain but not miserable and empty, I have never felt that, and I dont think that I am better than anyone, I feel pain all the time, but it doesnt leave me miserable or empty, there is a big difference. "josie" I didn't say that you wanted him dead...but reading what you just posted about your ex...would it not take faith not to believe that you never had a thought of doing bodily harm to him I guess the problem is that you dont think about what you can do to him,you are just thinking about how to get out of there, how to not end up hurt. He was a mess and not the man I married, I sure prayed a lot that god would wake him up and change him, or just show him what he was doing, but that didnt happen. I am not the sort of person that has ever wanted to hurt someone. If I wanted to i could, i was trained as a child to use a gun and knife well, but i would never think of using it on someone. But reguardless of that I am not sure how it applies, they are completely different emotions, one is loss, and how it affects you, loss is a horrid thing no matter how you handle it, everyone is different, I move on and deal with it later when I am ready. its all i know how to do.. The other is physical pain, and what thoughts you have, mine was to get out, some peoples is defence. hmmm you are on a roll tonight, so what else can you amuse me with. Jeez "josie" I'm not suggesting that you wanted to slice up your ex-hsuband like a wombat ...I was thinking more into the realm that pertains to less violence and non-lethal forms of just desserts perhaps hiding all the tiolet paper in his house for starts... Whoops, sorry, well you are americans lots of bad things happen there I wish you had been around to mention the toilet paper, could have emptied it from the dunny and left him there, that would have amused us for weeks. Hmmmmm but my children did think about violence, as my youngest who was 8 at the time would not sleep without his knife, and my 14 year old had two knives that he kept with him, they did that for over a year, after i got them back from him, as they where worried he would try and take them again. |
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Whoops, sorry, well you are americans lots of bad things happen there perhaps, but don't bad things happen everywhere...here we may get killed by a person there you may get eatan by a croc I wish you had been around to mention the toilet paper, could have emptied it from the dunny and left him there, that would have amused us for weeks. well it does give a whole new meaning to "turn the other cheek" Hmmmmm but my children did think about violence, as my youngest who was 8 at the time would not sleep without his knife, and my 14 year old had two knives that he kept with him, they did that for over a year, after i got them back from him, as they where worried he would try and take them again. that may be bitter sweet, because it may be a good thing that they become skilled in the ways of how to handle a knife....but are the knives solely because of the ex, or are there a possibility that also incude into the worries are the dangers presented by some of the animal and insect life there ... |
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Whoops, sorry, well you are americans lots of bad things happen there perhaps, but don't bad things happen everywhere...here we may get killed by a person there you may get eatan by a croc I wish you had been around to mention the toilet paper, could have emptied it from the dunny and left him there, that would have amused us for weeks. well it does give a whole new meaning to "turn the other cheek" Hmmmmm but my children did think about violence, as my youngest who was 8 at the time would not sleep without his knife, and my 14 year old had two knives that he kept with him, they did that for over a year, after i got them back from him, as they where worried he would try and take them again. that may be bitter sweet, because it may be a good thing that they become skilled in the ways of how to handle a knife....but are the knives solely because of the ex, or are there a possibility that also incude into the worries are the dangers presented by some of the animal and insect life there ... No, my children are not scared of the animals, here, they have grown up with snakes and other dangerous things they dont worry them.. They have pet snakes. They wouldnt think about using a knife on an animal. Hmm that sounds bad, they actually wouldnt use it on a human either it is just that knives the knives gave them a way to protect themselves.. so it was cool. animal rarely hurt you without a reason. humans do. |
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Whoops, sorry, well you are americans lots of bad things happen there perhaps, but don't bad things happen everywhere...here we may get killed by a person there you may get eatan by a croc I wish you had been around to mention the toilet paper, could have emptied it from the dunny and left him there, that would have amused us for weeks. well it does give a whole new meaning to "turn the other cheek" Hmmmmm but my children did think about violence, as my youngest who was 8 at the time would not sleep without his knife, and my 14 year old had two knives that he kept with him, they did that for over a year, after i got them back from him, as they where worried he would try and take them again. that may be bitter sweet, because it may be a good thing that they become skilled in the ways of how to handle a knife....but are the knives solely because of the ex, or are there a possibility that also incude into the worries are the dangers presented by some of the animal and insect life there ... No, my children are not scared of the animals, here, they have grown up with snakes and other dangerous things they dont worry them.. They have pet snakes. They wouldnt think about using a knife on an animal. Hmm that sounds bad, they actually wouldnt use it on a human either it is just that knives the knives gave them a way to protect themselves.. so it was cool. animal rarely hurt you without a reason. humans do. it's impossible to do anything without a reason, that applies to animals, humans and unseen invisible things .... also I wasn't suggesting that the kids were scare of any animals as to why they had the knives...but a blade does come in handy when sleeping in a bed and a Brown Snake crawls up there |
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Whoops, sorry, well you are americans lots of bad things happen there perhaps, but don't bad things happen everywhere...here we may get killed by a person there you may get eatan by a croc I wish you had been around to mention the toilet paper, could have emptied it from the dunny and left him there, that would have amused us for weeks. well it does give a whole new meaning to "turn the other cheek" Hmmmmm but my children did think about violence, as my youngest who was 8 at the time would not sleep without his knife, and my 14 year old had two knives that he kept with him, they did that for over a year, after i got them back from him, as they where worried he would try and take them again. that may be bitter sweet, because it may be a good thing that they become skilled in the ways of how to handle a knife....but are the knives solely because of the ex, or are there a possibility that also incude into the worries are the dangers presented by some of the animal and insect life there ... No, my children are not scared of the animals, here, they have grown up with snakes and other dangerous things they dont worry them.. They have pet snakes. They wouldnt think about using a knife on an animal. Hmm that sounds bad, they actually wouldnt use it on a human either it is just that knives the knives gave them a way to protect themselves.. so it was cool. animal rarely hurt you without a reason. humans do. it's impossible to do anything without a reason, that applies to animals, humans and unseen invisible things .... also I wasn't suggesting that the kids were scare of any animals as to why they had the knives...but a blade does come in handy when sleeping in a bed and a Brown Snake crawls up there nah we havent had a brown in our beds, under the mats, in the laundry and just sliding around, but the beds are up higher, so they havent bothered.. now maybe a giant insect but no snakes inthe beds
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god created man in "HIS" own image but yet we have women,so really who is this mythical figure that europeans have figured out doesnt exist but yet americans thrive on really create?178 people died in tornadoes in the SE part of this ******** GOP country,but yet the dumbass americans will say "thank god he was watching over me and he decided to say **** the others?
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Dragoness
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god created man in "HIS" own image but yet we have women,so really who is this mythical figure that europeans have figured out doesnt exist but yet americans thrive on really create?178 people died in tornadoes in the SE part of this ******** GOP country,but yet the dumbass americans will say "thank god he was watching over me and he decided to say **** the others? well you know that "god works in mysterious ways" and "noone knows his plan" and "when it is your time to go, it is your time to go", they might not have been devout enough so they deserved it, etc... there are so many excuses for him doing what he does in their eyes. But if these excuses were true, the aborted baby would be just a part of his plan and the raped little girl would be part of the mysterious ways, the murdered elderly couple, would be their time to go, etc.... And the rapist and killer would be a messenger of god. hypocritical |
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god created man in "HIS" own image but yet we have women,so really who is this mythical figure that europeans have figured out doesnt exist but yet americans thrive on really create?178 people died in tornadoes in the SE part of this ******** GOP country,but yet the dumbass americans will say "thank god he was watching over me and he decided to say **** the others? 'MAN' was created in the image of God. Women are then made from the flesh of man. 178 people died in tornadoes in the SE part of this ******** GOP country,but yet the dumbass americans will say "thank god he was watching over me and he decided to say **** the others? So they left this world, what is so harmful about that? They will no longer have to deal with sickness or pain. And how do you know they died? Yes, they left this world, but there is only one DEATH. |
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god created man in "HIS" own image but yet we have women,so really who is this mythical figure that europeans have figured out doesnt exist but yet americans thrive on really create?178 people died in tornadoes in the SE part of this ******** GOP country,but yet the dumbass americans will say "thank god he was watching over me and he decided to say **** the others? 'MAN' was created in the image of God. Women are then made from the flesh of man. 178 people died in tornadoes in the SE part of this ******** GOP country,but yet the dumbass americans will say "thank god he was watching over me and he decided to say **** the others? So they left this world, what is so harmful about that? They will no longer have to deal with sickness or pain. And how do you know they died? Yes, they left this world, but there is only one DEATH. Ummmm cowboy, I think you are missing what they are saying, its the fact that christians are thanking God that they didnt get hurt, and its like the others did through some fault of their own.. It would be a huge deal to the relatives and friends of the family, so it can appear very hard when christians seem to think its not important..Perhaps a little more tact could be used in the enthusiasm used .. i dont know. |
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josie, from how I see it, he gives us what we can handle
I say, thank god I did not have twins, it doesnt insinuate that those who have twins didnt also have gods grace, it just means that I know I couldnt handle it and God didnt send it to me likewise with disasters, or people who escape from killers, ,,when they say 'Thank God he was watching over me', I dont see that as a slam against those who werent able to escape,, it is merely aknowledging and appreciating what they have,,,, just my two cents |
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josie, from how I see it, he gives us what we can handle I say, thank god I did not have twins, it doesnt insinuate that those who have twins didnt also have gods grace, it just means that I know I couldnt handle it and God didnt send it to me likewise with disasters, or people who escape from killers, ,,when they say 'Thank God he was watching over me', I dont see that as a slam against those who werent able to escape,, it is merely aknowledging and appreciating what they have,,,, just my two cents I know and understand that too, irt wasnt that I was talking about its the, So they left this world what is so harmful about that.. To a Christian you look at it as ok now you are at peace, but thats not the case for everyone, and i guess its a little like everything, you just have to respect other people , especially if something has just gone wrong. Really the last thing you want to hear if you dont believe in God is Oh but he is in a better place .. Oh well just my opinion. I am always happy to talk about god, but would never say anything that could hurt someone at a bad time. That can actually turn people away from God, not draw them near.  Just my opinion,, I have enough of them..
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josie68
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Whoops, sorry, well you are americans lots of bad things happen there perhaps, but don't bad things happen everywhere...here we may get killed by a person there you may get eatan by a croc I wish you had been around to mention the toilet paper, could have emptied it from the dunny and left him there, that would have amused us for weeks. well it does give a whole new meaning to "turn the other cheek"  How did I miss turningthe other cheek..Bummer that was funny.. And yep bad things do happen everywhere, but I guess you get used to what you live with, the crocs and snakes are not really dangerous, well sort of not dangerous, well at least we dont take any notice of the danger, but are careful. We are not used to having to lock doors or cars, or even think about someone grabbing my bag or taking something, its a rarity, So to me that stands out. |
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