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msharmony
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Evidence is not needed. The ONLY one that can prove God to you is yourself. The only one that can prove anything to you is yourself. I can not prove to you planet Earth has gravity less you test it for yourself. I can not prove to you water freezes as a certain degree less you test it yourself. Again, no one can prove to you God is real and or what God is the true God but yourself. Cowboy...evidence is required that God exist beyond a book....it's just that you don't have any evidence..that's why it's called a "belief" .. a belief needs no evidence beyond faith ...the truth does You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water without a book You can not prove anything not immediately right in front of someone without a book. What does it being in a book have to do with anything? I think you guys are using the phrase 'beyond a book' in different ways. Cowboy, I believe you are saying "you can't prove X without intermediary sources, or indirect evidence, such as one might find in a book". I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' I could be wrong. That is same thing I was saying as well. You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water beyond a book Same thing as him saying I can not prove God beyond a book. Nothing but something immediately seen/felt can be proven beyond a book. You can not prove to me these things definitely without any form of doubt beyond a book. You can not positively show these things beyond a book. No they are very different things, We can prove the world is round beyone a book, from the pictures that have been taken and the fact that men have flown around it.. The same as water it is there in front of us to see and feel so it is also out of the book. But God, is in the book, but there is nothing concrete to hold onto. I think tthat is what funches is saying I dont mean you cant hold onto his word or even him, but there is nothing real that you can lok at and see, or feel and hold once you shut the book. And yes we can argue that we can feel God but that is then just ignoring what funches is saying because we all know what he means. And its really not explainable which is where faith comes in.. so once again we go in circles.  Josie, that the earth is round is a belief that takes quite a bit of faith in the integrity of man,,,, all the 'sources' we have, (pictures and claims of men flying above it) are REASONABLY believable, but not INDISPUTABLY because pictures can be doctored and men can lie I think that anything we come to 'know' through something other than our personal experiences takes faith to believe, even if it is the faith to decide between what is probable vs what is possible some take sources, and through their faith in the reliability of the source, decide their accounts to be more PROBABLE than other accounts learning anything takes faith in the validity, integrity, and dependability of a source(or even many sources) Fear of something actually works better to indoctrinate people to believe something. If fear doesn't work or in combination make them hate something and it makes it easier yet to believe. When you look at religious indoctrination fear is the first thing taught to the children. That is why it is hard for them to let it go all the way when they logically realize it isn't fact or for that matter healthy for humans to believe it. Scientific facts are checked and checked and checked again to make sure that they are worthy of being scientific fact. That is why there are still scientific theories because there is no way to verify them over and over. i first learned love and the theory of actions and consequences, fear was already hard wired into me as a human means of survival. I was 'indoctrinated' into religion about as much as I was 'indoctrinated' into english or reading or writing. It was all taught to me as a means to better understanding my world and surviving in it. |
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The difference is people will believe impossible unreasonable and illogical things simply because they trust a single authority figure. That single authority figure is THE CHURCH, or their parents or their pastor or preacher who interprets a book for them. A book that for the most part is unproven and does not make logical sense. A book whom people claim is the word of God. If you have faith in God, that is good. But if your faith is based on a single book or a single authority, to me, that is a risky proposition. You are betting YOUR SOUL and how you spend YOUR LIFE on that. You are giving up your own free will to do what you have been told is "GOD'S WILL." But that could just be the will of the authority or the will of your church. I say that if you are living by other people's rules and you are unhappy doing so, then you are not doing "God's will." I say that God lives in and through its creation (us) and God's will is to be happy, free, and creative. And this is where your reasoning fails you... You think I get my beliefs and ideas from the "church" or a book? You're dead wrong on that one. In fact I constantly tell people to check for themselves, to search for the truth themselves. If you want to get "technical" about it, the scriptures tell you to also. You, (yes you), as well as others, tend to generalise the religious and state what they do or do not believe. I think this is done to make a person feel better about themselves, to boost their pride. To say that they're "blind sheep". (don't misunderstand me, scriptures say that "many will be deceived" and I see that in reality) That statement also pertains to the "non-believers" as well. They support the lie just as much as the believers do... So what it boils down to is that you do place your faith in someone else's reasoning, whether it be scientific or religious... My reasoning has not failed me. And I was not directing my post to YOU. I don't place my faith in anyone else's reasoning because nobody else knows what I know or sees or experiences what I see and experience. My beliefs are the result of my own collection of information, my own experiences and my own knowledge. There is no one person who sees the world exactly like another person. We all have unique points of view. Yes we tend to generalize the religious state in general as a doctrine. That does not mean that we think that every person believes the same thing. I know that every person is unique in what he or she believes. |
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Peter Pan wrote: You misunderstand the "Abrahamic myth" constantly, otherwise you'd know that "God" is unknowable... But that's a totally false statement right there. The Abrahamic Myth actually demands very much what God must be like and what he will or won't do to people. For starters it proclaims that he's a jealous God who demands that no other God's are placed before him. So how can you say that he's "unknowable" in light of this? You already necessarily KNOW something about him, (i.e. He's a jealous God who demands that no other God's be placed before him) If you keeping reading the book and accept all of the things that this God commands and demands from people, and accept all of the threats that he makes toward people who refuse to obey him, then you can get to KNOW this God too damn well! So if they claim that this God is "unknowable" that's just yet another blatant contradiction in their fables. You say: scriptures say that "many will be deceived" Well duh? That should be a huge RED FLAG right there! What's this story basically supposed to be about? It's supposed to be about people willing and knowingly making a Free Will Choice of whether or not they are willing to obey, worship and love this God. Yet what do these utterly absurd scriptures state? Well to use your own words: scriptures say that "many will be deceived" WHAT!   Many will be deceived? I thought the idea was that people have a FREE WILL choice of whether or not to love, honor and obey this God, and now these stories are trying to claim that many people will be deceived? That makes no sense at all. If people are being deceived then clearly they don't have the proper information for making a good choice. They are then being raped of their FREE WILL to make an intelligent informed choice because they have been deceived! This flies right in the very face that they are making their OWN CHOICES. How can they be held responsible for the choices that they make when they are being deceived? Clearly these fables are a made-up brainwashing scheme by mortal men because no seriously intelligent all-righteous all-wise God would possibly allow people to be deceived if he's sincerely interested in knowing their true sincere choices when given the TRUTH. How can you have a supposedly "righteous" God condemning people because they had been deceived? That flies in the face of the very concept of "righteousness". These stories are necessarily the wicked deception of men. Created in an effort to coerce people into believing that some all-powerful God supports their male-chauvinistic patriarchal nonsense. scriptures say that "many will be deceived"  That should tell you right there that you are working with a religious SCAM! |
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Peter Pan wrote: You misunderstand the "Abrahamic myth" constantly, otherwise you'd know that "God" is unknowable... But that's a totally false statement right there. The Abrahamic Myth actually demands very much what God must be like and what he will or won't do to people. For starters it proclaims that he's a jealous God who demands that no other God's are placed before him. So how can you say that he's "unknowable" in light of this? You already necessarily KNOW something about him, (i.e. He's a jealous God who demands that no other God's be placed before him) If you keeping reading the book and accept all of the things that this God commands and demands from people, and accept all of the threats that he makes toward people who refuse to obey him, then you can get to KNOW this God too damn well! So if they claim that this God is "unknowable" that's just yet another blatant contradiction in their fables. You say: scriptures say that "many will be deceived" Well duh? That should be a huge RED FLAG right there! What's this story basically supposed to be about? It's supposed to be about people willing and knowingly making a Free Will Choice of whether or not they are willing to obey, worship and love this God. Yet what do these utterly absurd scriptures state? Well to use your own words: scriptures say that "many will be deceived" WHAT! Many will be deceived? I thought the idea was that people have a FREE WILL choice of whether or not to love, honor and obey this God, and now these stories are trying to claim that many people will be deceived? That makes no sense at all. If people are being deceived then clearly they don't have the proper information for making a good choice. They are then being raped of their FREE WILL to make an intelligent informed choice because they have been deceived! This flies right in the very face that they are making their OWN CHOICES. How can they be held responsible for the choices that they make when they are being deceived? Clearly these fables are a made-up brainwashing scheme by mortal men because no seriously intelligent all-righteous all-wise God would possibly allow people to be deceived if he's sincerely interested in knowing their true sincere choices when given the TRUTH. How can you have a supposedly "righteous" God condemning people because they had been deceived? That flies in the face of the very concept of "righteousness". These stories are necessarily the wicked deception of men. Created in an effort to coerce people into believing that some all-powerful God supports their male-chauvinistic patriarchal nonsense. scriptures say that "many will be deceived" That should tell you right there that you are working with a religious SCAM! You just don't "get it". I've been working against the "religious SCAM" the whole time, but you refuse to believe anything except the false claim of "the innerrant word of God". You have the nerve to call me and others like me, "Salad-bar Christians", yet deny the truth in the scriptures that discerning the truth is taught... You have had no rebuttal for Romans 2, nor any rebuttal for anything I've challenged you to refute. Show me where it states that the Bible is the "innerrant word of God"... Oh sure, you say you've shown proof, but in reality, none has been presented. Nowhere does it say to believe blindly, in fact, the teachings are quite the oppposite. They even mention plauges for those that would change the word, but no statement that they wouldn't be corrupted. You say that the the Bible's "stories are necessarily the wicked deception of men", I challenge you to actually read and use a concordance to determine if I agree or disagree with you. (hint: I've actually stated that I agree with you mostly except for the fact of what you claim to be actually written...) Your "all or nothing" stance only works with the Qu'ran... |
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Evidence is not needed. The ONLY one that can prove God to you is yourself. The only one that can prove anything to you is yourself. I can not prove to you planet Earth has gravity less you test it for yourself. I can not prove to you water freezes as a certain degree less you test it yourself. Again, no one can prove to you God is real and or what God is the true God but yourself. Cowboy...evidence is required that God exist beyond a book....it's just that you don't have any evidence..that's why it's called a "belief" .. a belief needs no evidence beyond faith ...the truth does You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water without a book You can not prove anything not immediately right in front of someone without a book. What does it being in a book have to do with anything? I think you guys are using the phrase 'beyond a book' in different ways. Cowboy, I believe you are saying "you can't prove X without intermediary sources, or indirect evidence, such as one might find in a book". I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' I could be wrong. That is same thing I was saying as well. You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water beyond a book Same thing as him saying I can not prove God beyond a book. Nothing but something immediately seen/felt can be proven beyond a book. You can not prove to me these things definitely without any form of doubt beyond a book. You can not positively show these things beyond a book. No they are very different things, We can prove the world is round beyone a book, from the pictures that have been taken and the fact that men have flown around it.. The same as water it is there in front of us to see and feel so it is also out of the book. But God, is in the book, but there is nothing concrete to hold onto. I think tthat is what funches is saying I dont mean you cant hold onto his word or even him, but there is nothing real that you can lok at and see, or feel and hold once you shut the book. And yes we can argue that we can feel God but that is then just ignoring what funches is saying because we all know what he means. And its really not explainable which is where faith comes in.. so once again we go in circles. Josie, that the earth is round is a belief that takes quite a bit of faith in the integrity of man,,,, all the 'sources' we have, (pictures and claims of men flying above it) are REASONABLY believable, but not INDISPUTABLY because pictures can be doctored and men can lie I think that anything we come to 'know' through something other than our personal experiences takes faith to believe, even if it is the faith to decide between what is probable vs what is possible some take sources, and through their faith in the reliability of the source, decide their accounts to be more PROBABLE than other accounts learning anything takes faith in the validity, integrity, and dependability of a source(or even many sources) Yep thats so true.. did man walk on the moon, that i dont really believe. Have they been able to take pictures of the earth and have objects flown around it yep that I believe, as parts of the silly things have fallen out of the sky and landed in Australia.. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Fri 04/22/11 10:52 PM
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Peter Pan wrote: You just don't "get it". I've been working against the "religious SCAM" the whole time, but you refuse to believe anything except the false claim of "the innerrant word of God". You have the nerve to call me and others like me, "Salad-bar Christians", yet deny the truth in the scriptures that discerning the truth is taught... You have had no rebuttal for Romans 2, nor any rebuttal for anything I've challenged you to refute. Show me where it states that the Bible is the "innerrant word of God"... Oh sure, you say you've shown proof, but in reality, none has been presented. Nowhere does it say to believe blindly, in fact, the teachings are quite the oppposite. They even mention plauges for those that would change the word, but no statement that they wouldn't be corrupted. You say that the the Bible's "stories are necessarily the wicked deception of men", I challenge you to actually read and use a concordance to determine if I agree or disagree with you. (hint: I've actually stated that I agree with you mostly except for the fact of what you claim to be actually written...) Your "all or nothing" stance only works with the Qu'ran... What does anything you've said here have to do with your previous statement that scriptures say that "many will be deceived"? Do you believe this or not?  That was the only point I was addressing. Moreover, you mention my stance about how people are "Salad Bar Christians". Well, how can you claim, that because the scripture say, "many will be deceived", we should accept that this comes from God as some sort of absolute truth, whilst you deny many other things in those very same scriptures? What good are scriptures that are contaminated with the opinions of men? How is anyone supposed to know which scriptures came from God and which are just the erroneous opinions of men? So yes, in that sense, it is basically an "all-or-nothing" deal. How can you know which parts are from God if you have to GUESS? Also you have totally avoided addressing my point of how a God who is supposed to be judging people on their "Free Will Choices" would set things up, or even allow it to be, that "many will be deceived". If they are deceived then how is this God supposed to judge them fairly on the choices that they make? Can you address that issue specifically? Or are you going to avoid and distract from the actual issue at hand like you usually do? This question is: "What sense does it make for many to be deceived if the whole point of this religion is that this God is going to JUDGE people based on their FREE WILL CHOICES?" What sense does it make to judge people who have been deceived? They would be victims twice over. Once when they are deceived, and then again when they are judged for having made the wrong choice because they had been deceived. What sense does that even make? That's a fair question isn't it? |
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Peter Pan wrote: You just don't "get it". I've been working against the "religious SCAM" the whole time, but you refuse to believe anything except the false claim of "the innerrant word of God". You have the nerve to call me and others like me, "Salad-bar Christians", yet deny the truth in the scriptures that discerning the truth is taught... You have had no rebuttal for Romans 2, nor any rebuttal for anything I've challenged you to refute. Show me where it states that the Bible is the "innerrant word of God"... Oh sure, you say you've shown proof, but in reality, none has been presented. Nowhere does it say to believe blindly, in fact, the teachings are quite the oppposite. They even mention plauges for those that would change the word, but no statement that they wouldn't be corrupted. You say that the the Bible's "stories are necessarily the wicked deception of men", I challenge you to actually read and use a concordance to determine if I agree or disagree with you. (hint: I've actually stated that I agree with you mostly except for the fact of what you claim to be actually written...) Your "all or nothing" stance only works with the Qu'ran... What does anything you've said here have to do with your previous statement that scriptures say that "many will be deceived"? Do you believe this or not? That was the only point I was addressing. Moreover, you mention my stance about how people are "Salad Bar Christians". Well, how can you claim, that because the scripture say, "many will be deceived", we should accept that this comes from God as some sort of absolute truth, whilst you deny many other things in those very same scriptures? What good are scriptures that are contaminated with the opinions of men? How is anyone supposed to know which scriptures came from God and which are just the erroneous opinions of men? So yes, in that sense, it is basically an "all-or-nothing" deal. How can you know which parts are from God if you have to GUESS? Also you have totally avoided addressing my point of how a God who is supposed to be judging people on their "Free Will Choices" would set things up, of even allow it to be, that "many will be deceived". If they are deceived then how is this God supposed to judge them fairly on the choices that they make? Can you address that issue specifically? Or are you going to avoid and distract from the actual issue at hand like you usually do? This question is: "What sense does it make for many to be deceived if the whole point of this religion is that this God is going to JUDGE people based on their FREE WILL CHOICES?" What sense does it make to judge people who have been deceived? They would be victims twice over. Once when they are deceived, and then again when they are judged for having made the wrong choice because they had been deceived. What sense does that even make? That's a fair question isn't it? This question is: "What sense does it make for many to be deceived if the whole point of this religion is that this God is going to JUDGE people based on their FREE WILL CHOICES?" What sense does it make to judge people who have been deceived? Makes us give escalated attention to exactly what we are allowing to effect us of who we are and how we behave/live our lives. Tells us to be cautious on exactly whom we listen to and whom we allow to "direct" our lives. You have the CHOICE to listen to bob about what's good or bad, you have the CHOICE to listen to yourself even on exactly what is good or bad. You have CHOICE in EVERYTHING associated with life. So bare carefully in life no matter the belief you choose to follow, I ask you ensure if there is a "right" belief, to choose the "right" one. Weather you find this belief in the Christian faith, the Muslim faith, or any other faith possible. I plead that you please make sure it is the right one for sure without a doubt. And remember, only one can be right. No matter which one it is, there is only one absolute true belief out there. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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God's Holy Word IS Inerrant.
Every Word is God Inspired  2 Timothy 3:16-17: "ALL scripture is given by INSPIRATION OF GOD , [literally God-breathed] and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."  |
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God's Holy Word IS Inerrant. Every Word is God Inspired 2 Timothy 3:16-17: "ALL scripture is given by INSPIRATION OF GOD , [literally God-breathed] and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." amen |
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BUT.....don't take my word of it....
or anyone elses for that matter...... You Must Find out TRUTH for Yourself !!! WHEN YOU SEEK GOD WITH YOUR WHOLE HEART ... GOD WILL MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN UNTO YOU.... AND TRUTH WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
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BUT.....don't take my word of it.... or anyone elses for that matter...... You Must Find out TRUTH for Yourself !!! WHEN YOU SEEK GOD WITH YOUR WHOLE HEART ... GOD WILL MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN UNTO YOU.... AND TRUTH WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE. Knock and he will answer Ask and you will receive |
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Cowboy wrote: And remember, only one can be right. No matter which one it is, there is only one absolute true belief out there. Where do you get that idea? Actually there are quite a few various spiritual pictures that can be simultaneously correct. Wicca and Buddhism for example, depending on how a person views them. In fact, pagans in general recognize that God is multifaceted, and therefore many views of God can indeed be simultaneously correct. It's only the "jealous-God-religions" of the Mediterranean region that place God in a box and try extremely hard to pin him down to a single dogma and religion. The bottom lines is pretty simple. If those doctrines claim that many people will be "deceived" then those people lost out on their FREE WILL CHOICE because they have indeed been deceived. This is an extremely problematic issues for any religion that has a "judgmental God". Especially if the "judgment" that is being made is whether or not a person bought into a particular religion. This Abrahamic Religion started out being about "disobedience" and "moral values" but as the stories continued to become more convoluted and contradictory they started to be concerned with simply what a person actually believes. Believe in the wrong thing and you could end up being condemned to eternal damanation. Well, that's totally out of character from the story of Adam and Eve when it started out being about simply choices of whether or not a person would obey. Now it's become a story about people being condemned for merely not believing, and it even suggests that these people will be deceived. That my friend sounds like a very deceitful brainwashing scheme already. It doesn't sound like a trustworthy religion or a trustworthy God. So yes, if I take your advice and be careful about what I choose to believe in, I would most certainly avoid the Abrahamic religions because they are clearly corrupt and contain absurdities and contradictions galore. |
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Cowboy wrote: And remember, only one can be right. No matter which one it is, there is only one absolute true belief out there. Where do you get that idea? Actually there are quite a few various spiritual pictures that can be simultaneously correct. Wicca and Buddhism for example, depending on how a person views them. In fact, pagans in general recognize that God is multifaceted, and therefore many views of God can indeed be simultaneously correct. It's only the "jealous-God-religions" of the Mediterranean region that place God in a box and try extremely hard to pin him down to a single dogma and religion. The bottom lines is pretty simple. If those doctrines claim that many people will be "deceived" then those people lost out on their FREE WILL CHOICE because they have indeed been deceived. This is an extremely problematic issues for any religion that has a "judgmental God". Especially if the "judgment" that is being made is whether or not a person bought into a particular religion. This Abrahamic Religion started out being about "disobedience" and "moral values" but as the stories continued to become more convoluted and contradictory they started to be concerned with simply what a person actually believes. Believe in the wrong thing and you could end up being condemned to eternal damanation. Well, that's totally out of character from the story of Adam and Eve when it started out being about simply choices of whether or not a person would obey. Now it's become a story about people being condemned for merely not believing, and it even suggests that these people will be deceived. That my friend sounds like a very deceitful brainwashing scheme already. It doesn't sound like a trustworthy religion or a trustworthy God. So yes, if I take your advice and be careful about what I choose to believe in, I would most certainly avoid the Abrahamic religions because they are clearly corrupt and contain absurdities and contradictions galore. Not totally correct. Some religions may be SIMILAR eg., Wicca and Buddhism. But only ONE can be the CORRECT one. Just because things are similar, that does not mean they are the same and or will end up in the same direction and or area. |
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Cowboy wrote: And remember, only one can be right. No matter which one it is, there is only one absolute true belief out there. Where do you get that idea? Actually there are quite a few various spiritual pictures that can be simultaneously correct. Wicca and Buddhism for example, depending on how a person views them. In fact, pagans in general recognize that God is multifaceted, and therefore many views of God can indeed be simultaneously correct. It's only the "jealous-God-religions" of the Mediterranean region that place God in a box and try extremely hard to pin him down to a single dogma and religion. The bottom lines is pretty simple. If those doctrines claim that many people will be "deceived" then those people lost out on their FREE WILL CHOICE because they have indeed been deceived. This is an extremely problematic issues for any religion that has a "judgmental God". Especially if the "judgment" that is being made is whether or not a person bought into a particular religion. This Abrahamic Religion started out being about "disobedience" and "moral values" but as the stories continued to become more convoluted and contradictory they started to be concerned with simply what a person actually believes. Believe in the wrong thing and you could end up being condemned to eternal damanation. Well, that's totally out of character from the story of Adam and Eve when it started out being about simply choices of whether or not a person would obey. Now it's become a story about people being condemned for merely not believing, and it even suggests that these people will be deceived. That my friend sounds like a very deceitful brainwashing scheme already. It doesn't sound like a trustworthy religion or a trustworthy God. So yes, if I take your advice and be careful about what I choose to believe in, I would most certainly avoid the Abrahamic religions because they are clearly corrupt and contain absurdities and contradictions galore. Well, that's totally out of character from the story of Adam and Eve when it started out being about simply choices of whether or not a person would obey. Now it's become a story about people being condemned for merely not believing, and it even suggests that these people will be deceived. That my friend sounds like a very deceitful brainwashing scheme already. It doesn't sound like a trustworthy religion or a trustworthy God. So yes, if I take your advice and be careful about what I choose to believe in, I would most certainly avoid the Abrahamic religions because they are clearly corrupt and contain absurdities and contradictions galore. There is no such thing as "condemned" or anything as such. In the Garden of Eden there was no such thing as death. We were kicked out for disobedience/sin. So now we do have death. And how does it not show a trustworthy God? God didn't unjustifiably kick them out of the Garden. They were kicked out for disobedience. The only reward for sin/disobedience is death. There was no death inside of the Garden, thus they were kicked out, eg., the only reward for sin is death. And that's fine if YOU don't believe in the religion. That was my entire reasoning for that post. Christianity doesn't suite YOU. That was purely my entire reasoning, for people to find ones THEY feel is the truth, not cause someone said it or it's popular or anything of that nature. |
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so cowboy, does that mean my christian friends are wrong in saying that unless i believe as they do and accept jesus as my savior and son of god i'll be CONDEMNED to burn in hell for eternity?
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God does not condemn anyone. Neither does God reject anyone. Man condemns himself ....by rejecting God. |
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but cowboy says condemned doesn't happen. no matter who does the condemning, one of you must be wrong.
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Oh bummer I am going to put my head on the chopping block but this is a discussion, so please dont cut off my head for having an opinion.
To me I believe in god, i cannot explain it and am not even going to try. But I have studied and visited many churches, who all believed that they are the way to God. The bible is not confusing if you read it and cross reference things, search and research.. However, most churches.(well all that I have been to so far) Pick pieces our of the bible and seem to take them out of context, then they shut it in and wont listen to any ones opinion, they get insulted if you dont agree and tell you , that you are wrong to question. Well i dont question in general as long as what I hear and see doesnt go against what I have read.. Now I guess there are many things that aI would question that people have said on here and things I dont agree with but I also am not going to argue them as there really is no point the people have it fixed in their mind and I dont want to just join in the circle of frustration Bummer I wish I had a photographic memory so I could get these verses right instead of having random bits floating around. But anyway you can work them out.. But We are told in the bible somewhere that even the stones will tell Gods story.. Now thats just my interpretation . If I have to I will find what it really says but i dont want to. Now to me, this sinning thing and Judgement is taken out of context using a few specific verses but not really cross referencing and looking back at what it would mean.. Now obviously sin is sin and so if you commit one no matter what it is its still sin. However that doesnt mean they are all judged the same. The Bible tells us that we will be judged by our hearts, yep i dont know where that is either but its there if you look.. And yes the only way to god is though jesus, but if God is just and true as it says, there has to be a way through Jesus for everyone. How many people have you heard say they where dying and saw him.. What if God sends him to people who havent heard or who have been mixed up by doobie headed people who are to stubborn to really find out what god is saying.  Yes and you can knock your head against a wall and try and change my mind but no way am I going to put my faith in some God who is Going to judge a child who has no hope because he has not known Jesus, I am sorry but there would be a way. If god is God he has a plan, and a back up plan.. So There. 
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Like honestly if God is God and Jesus is Jesus then God can do anything he wants, and he will.
So if there is a tiny child, who has grown up in poverty with parents who neglect and abuse him and he has never heard of God, are you going to tell me that if his parent kill him that God will judge him since he didnt give his life to Jesus.. No way would a loving God and father do that, he would hold the child and comfort him and show him what Love is, he would wrap the child up and never let him hurt again... Yes i know this is my dream world, but really i dont give a willy, God is God and in being god he has to be God so god can do anything, and he can see the hurt in people and he can see the evil, and he will judge accordingly.. Yes i do live in quiet a pretty fantasy world but I can. Because God made me Me 
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Cowboy wrote: And remember, only one can be right. No matter which one it is, there is only one absolute true belief out there. Well Cowboy I hope you find it. |
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