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Topic: Are Atheists Open for a Chat? - part 2
Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 04/26/11 08:12 PM




Why would anyone believe in a God that's an unrighteous idiot?


misery loves company?




Noway, I'm not miserable..
Maybe because we all have different perceptions of him.


are we talking about the same guy that drown everyone on the planet except for a few dung shovelers on Noah's Ark?


Do you not think when Noah was ridiculed for building a boat in the middle of no where for 120 years the people were not told what was coming so they could prepare?

If a 500 ft tsusami was coming and you went to high ground and people said you were a fool that no such thing was coming. Who then would be the idiots for not listening? Blessings..Miles

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Tue 04/26/11 08:19 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 04/26/11 08:21 PM
So, Miles, are you implying that they deserved to drown because they refused to believe an old man who spent 120 years building a boat in the middle of nowhere?

What is the lesson in this story? Is it that we should all be building underground bunkers to protect us from the catastrophes of 2012?

Is the lesson that we should believe every crack pot that claims the world is coming to an end?

OR

Is the lesson that we should listen to the preachers of Christianity no matter how crazy they sound or else suffer a horrible fate?


Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 04/26/11 11:15 PM

So, Miles, are you implying that they deserved to drown because they refused to believe an old man who spent 120 years building a boat in the middle of nowhere?

What is the lesson in this story? Is it that we should all be building underground bunkers to protect us from the catastrophes of 2012?

Is the lesson that we should believe every crack pot that claims the world is coming to an end?

OR

Is the lesson that we should listen to the preachers of Christianity no matter how crazy they sound or else suffer a horrible fate?




No not at all.. The lesson learned is believing you can see the future.. That future only comes by studying and learning the Scriptures.

No coded message just a way to behave and act with a pure conscience that you are doing the right thing.

No regrets.. Just a knowledge of seeing whats to come. This knowledge is only attainable by knowing what the scriptures say to the best of your ability.

No reason to be scared or even wonder what.

Just a conscience that see's a new world through different eyes than the world sees.

A lookingglass of sorts that the sages of old understood. They did not have the distaractions of the modern ways.

They studied feverently because its what was something new everyday.

A passage that came clear that had been lost in tradition.

A way of life that shows the good of Humanity.


All you need is a Desire to what to know without knowledge of what you believe you are getting into.

This is brand new.an Ora that stems from the pages of a book. Magically sometimes you want to pray and read and when you open the scriptures thier it is.Plain as Day as Lit up on a mountain just what you needed.

The Sprit of Grace you understand is not a spirit of do as I do.

Its a spirit of compassion and love that opens up a new dimminsion far beyond our everyday knowledge.

The inscription of future events that you understand will come.. You just have to dig deeper to find what you are looking for. A glass with an open bottom.


When Elohim is everything and you understand this then the prophecies are alive with wonder.

People do not wish to know this knowledge for then they would have to believe in the unbelievable.

The glass if time that says in the end all things will be alright.. no worries. No need to listen to Doom Sakers.

Just set back and enjoy helping where you can..

Your nieghbor in the yard who could use an extra hand. Give it to them.

Be good to everyone they are like angels who do not see.

Ones who look at things and wonder why. Let them see why because brotherly love is still alive.

Seek 1st the Kingdom of Yahweh and all these things will come to pass. He holds nothing back from his servents the Prophets.

Thats all who truely desire his word. Thier example of Yahshua is thier love and Compassion for other people.

You will know them by thier love for one another.

Yahshua said if you loved your brethern only are you any different than anyone else?

No but the people of Yahweh of Hosts love thier nieghbor and help where they see need and the spirit of Yahweh will show them.

The example followed of Yahshua himself. He lived with the people and helped all he saw needed it.

They preach be saved or else. Do they believe they can save anyone? Yahweh has to do the saving.. Just do your duty and live your life to where people will wonder whats different about them.. They help and never want anything in return.

If I can loan to someone I can give it. So don't loan out money if you can loan it give it to them then it becomes thiers. don't let the thought appear will they use it wisely.

Just know you did Yahweh's will he is guiding you if you let him.

If you refuss after you have seen the opening to an unseen world. Then you will be on your own lower than someone who has never seen and rejected.

Noah for 120 years built a boat that seemed so silly but he still showed his correctness in doing as he was forseen.

120 years of them not knowing why Noah was building a boat. Why not look closer and see why he was so dedicated.

Must be who else would do such a thing.no they riled his and made fun of his boat.This is in the very beginning when evil was on the face of the earth.From Adam sprang everyone and with cain off to the wilderness the world started turning towards bloodshed. but thats my interpretation of why evil was all over the earth.

They knew but they did not believe and made fun of the Word.

Natural disaster happen and do we blame Man?

The oceanographers say we cause El Nino's and that brings super storms.

What man is to blame. Science? they through the information age of the last 50 years developed things that will destroy the earth Japan now we are being told look out.. we may be down wind from a country 12000 miles away.

Man kills man and noones to blame. Yahweh puts an end to evil people and he is a Tirant.

The Atomic Bombs.. took how many innocent lives? A science discrovery.

Who's to blame the other people. Always blame to someone else except mankind.

Maybe Just Maybe The Scriptures of Life give a defining point on how to live.. a ballplayers playground who knows the rules of the game and does not want to be out.

Knowledge is good if you use it wisely. Thats why only the wise do not refuse instruction.. Blessings...Miles




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Wed 04/27/11 12:06 AM
Now iof your Agnostic..

ăg-nŏs'tĭk)
n.
1.
a.One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
b.One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2.One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
adj.
1.Relating to or being an agnostic.
2.Doubtful or noncommittal: "Though I am agnostic on what terms to use, I have no doubt that human infants come with an enormous 'acquisitiveness' for discovering patterns" (William H. Calvin).

Non committal..They wonder if thier is something else. Just not willing to make a effort to see if "this something else" is real. Easier to stay put and not start a fire. Burning is a nomenclature.

What are they? Skeptical. can never believe in anything.. The boogie man is a possibilty also..what good do they do for themselves or others? they never know what to do.. Thier.....

Say its impossible..

2.. Skeptical..

3.. Athiesm? No can't do that.. not sure u see.

4 Doubtful

5 Non Committal


6 Thier numbers freaks..Gotta be a Pattern.. or can not be true.

7 Very inquizative.. yet can not make up thier mind.

Lot of good qualities.. where did they come from. The inquizetive mind should wonder where did all this get started.

whats the beginning. Manmade but who thought this science of unknowing up?

They just can not figure anything out so the Bow out of life.

Yea I wonder where the roots of AGNOCTIC are really from.. anyone know? Blessings...Miles




Milesoftheusa's photo
Wed 04/27/11 12:20 AM
Thinking about it. "It's right under your nose all the time"

josie68's photo
Wed 04/27/11 05:24 AM




Why would anyone believe in a God that's an unrighteous idiot?


misery loves company?




Noway, I'm not miserable..
Maybe because we all have different perceptions of him.


are we talking about the same guy that drown everyone on the planet except for a few dung shovelers on Noah's Ark?


Yep,but im still not miserable..

no photo
Wed 04/27/11 06:13 AM





Why would anyone believe in a God that's an unrighteous idiot?


misery loves company?




Noway, I'm not miserable..
Maybe because we all have different perceptions of him.


are we talking about the same guy that drown everyone on the planet except for a few dung shovelers on Noah's Ark?


Do you not think when Noah was ridiculed for building a boat in the middle of no where for 120 years the people were not told what was coming so they could prepare?

If a 500 ft tsusami was coming and you went to high ground and people said you were a fool that no such thing was coming. Who then would be the idiots for not listening? Blessings..Miles


well keeping with your analogy of the "high ground" to that of Noah's Ark" ...there has to be someone that had the intentions of drowning everyone on the planet except for those that followed him and to accomplish this they would purposely create a 500 foot tsunami perhaps by placing nuclear devices on all the world's fault lines

they also would have calculated the exact spot or "high ground" where the tsunami would not wash over but was large enough to acommendate a few chosen people and a whole lot of animals ...

so "Milesoftheusa" are you saying that such a person that would do this is a nice person?

no photo
Wed 04/27/11 06:18 AM





Why would anyone believe in a God that's an unrighteous idiot?


misery loves company?




Noway, I'm not miserable..
Maybe because we all have different perceptions of him.


are we talking about the same guy that drown everyone on the planet except for a few dung shovelers on Noah's Ark?


Yep,but im still not miserable..



even if it was your love ones that drowning in that flood

Milesoftheusa's photo
Wed 04/27/11 10:26 AM






Why would anyone believe in a God that's an unrighteous idiot?


misery loves company?




Noway, I'm not miserable..
Maybe because we all have different perceptions of him.


are we talking about the same guy that drown everyone on the planet except for a few dung shovelers on Noah's Ark?


Do you not think when Noah was ridiculed for building a boat in the middle of no where for 120 years the people were not told what was coming so they could prepare?

If a 500 ft tsusami was coming and you went to high ground and people said you were a fool that no such thing was coming. Who then would be the idiots for not listening? Blessings..Miles


well keeping with your analogy of the "high ground" to that of Noah's Ark" ...there has to be someone that had the intentions of drowning everyone on the planet except for those that followed him and to accomplish this they would purposely create a 500 foot tsunami perhaps by placing nuclear devices on all the world's fault lines

they also would have calculated the exact spot or "high ground" where the tsunami would not wash over but was large enough to acommendate a few chosen people and a whole lot of animals ...

so "Milesoftheusa" are you saying that such a person that would do this is a nice person?


When a person warns of disaster to come but the people does not heed the warning does that make the messenger bad? Shalom..Miles

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Wed 04/27/11 11:07 AM







Why would anyone believe in a God that's an unrighteous idiot?


misery loves company?




Noway, I'm not miserable..
Maybe because we all have different perceptions of him.


are we talking about the same guy that drown everyone on the planet except for a few dung shovelers on Noah's Ark?


Do you not think when Noah was ridiculed for building a boat in the middle of no where for 120 years the people were not told what was coming so they could prepare?

If a 500 ft tsusami was coming and you went to high ground and people said you were a fool that no such thing was coming. Who then would be the idiots for not listening? Blessings..Miles


well keeping with your analogy of the "high ground" to that of Noah's Ark" ...there has to be someone that had the intentions of drowning everyone on the planet except for those that followed him and to accomplish this they would purposely create a 500 foot tsunami perhaps by placing nuclear devices on all the world's fault lines

they also would have calculated the exact spot or "high ground" where the tsunami would not wash over but was large enough to acommendate a few chosen people and a whole lot of animals ...

so "Milesoftheusa" are you saying that such a person that would do this is a nice person?


When a person warns of disaster to come but the people does not heed the warning does that make the messenger bad? Shalom..Miles



It wasn't the messenger's fault, I was refering to the one that set off the nuclear weapons that intentionly cause the tsunami...were they a bad person for doing that?

josie68's photo
Wed 04/27/11 05:59 PM
Edited by josie68 on Wed 04/27/11 06:01 PM






Why would anyone believe in a God that's an unrighteous idiot?


misery loves company?




Noway, I'm not miserable..
Maybe because we all have different perceptions of him.


are we talking about the same guy that drown everyone on the planet except for a few dung shovelers on Noah's Ark?


Yep,but im still not miserable..



even if it was your love ones that drowning in that flood


I have lost people close to me, even a child, and although it is a horrible thing, it didnt leave me empty and miserable.
You see even though there is going to be a reason or maybe my imagination, I saw my baby held in someones hand and he was safe, so to me although I had lost him it was only for a time..
and yes it may have been Gas again that made me feel Ok as you seem to think I have a lot of it. tongue2 tongue2 tongue2 but that Gas,(as you call it) Or faith as I call it, gets me though things that could be very very difficult without it:thumbsup:

mylifetoday's photo
Wed 04/27/11 06:05 PM







Why would anyone believe in a God that's an unrighteous idiot?


misery loves company?




Noway, I'm not miserable..
Maybe because we all have different perceptions of him.


are we talking about the same guy that drown everyone on the planet except for a few dung shovelers on Noah's Ark?


Yep,but im still not miserable..



even if it was your love ones that drowning in that flood


I have lost people close to me, even a child, and although it is a horrible thing, it didnt leave me empty and miserable.
You see even though there is going to be a reason or maybe my imagination, I saw my baby held in someones hand and he was safe, so to me although I had lost him it was only for a time..
and yes it may have been Gas again that made me feel Ok as you seem to think I have a lot of it. tongue2 tongue2 tongue2 but that Gas,(as you call it) Or faith as I call it, gets me though things that could be very very difficult without it:thumbsup:


Wow, I didn't know that Josie. My heart goes out to you. :heart:

My parents lost a child as well. he only lived about half an hour. No one in the family talks about it though...

Dragoness's photo
Wed 04/27/11 06:10 PM
Like I have said the religious feel superior to those who are not therefore they are deserving of living and others are not.

This Noah story shows that in them and shows the creators of the religion wanted people to fear the wrath of their creation.

josie68's photo
Wed 04/27/11 06:20 PM








Why would anyone believe in a God that's an unrighteous idiot?


misery loves company?




Noway, I'm not miserable..
Maybe because we all have different perceptions of him.


are we talking about the same guy that drown everyone on the planet except for a few dung shovelers on Noah's Ark?


Yep,but im still not miserable..



even if it was your love ones that drowning in that flood


I have lost people close to me, even a child, and although it is a horrible thing, it didnt leave me empty and miserable.
You see even though there is going to be a reason or maybe my imagination, I saw my baby held in someones hand and he was safe, so to me although I had lost him it was only for a time..
and yes it may have been Gas again that made me feel Ok as you seem to think I have a lot of it. tongue2 tongue2 tongue2 but that Gas,(as you call it) Or faith as I call it, gets me though things that could be very very difficult without it:thumbsup:


Wow, I didn't know that Josie. My heart goes out to you. :heart:

My parents lost a child as well. he only lived about half an hour. No one in the family talks about it though...


There is nothing in my life that I cant talk about, otherwise its like things havent happened, everything in our lives helps us to become who we are, good or bad.


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Wed 04/27/11 06:39 PM

Like I have said the religious feel superior to those who are not therefore they are deserving of living and others are not.

This Noah story shows that in them and shows the creators of the religion wanted people to fear the wrath of their creation.




I don't suppose you have any empirical evidence or some peer-reviewed research to back up that claim, do you?



Yeah, didn't think so.....






mylifetoday's photo
Wed 04/27/11 06:48 PM


There is nothing in my life that I cant talk about, otherwise its like things havent happened, everything in our lives helps us to become who we are, good or bad.




I agree. Unfortunately it took me decades to learn this simple truth.

josie68's photo
Wed 04/27/11 07:02 PM



There is nothing in my life that I cant talk about, otherwise its like things havent happened, everything in our lives helps us to become who we are, good or bad.




I agree. Unfortunately it took me decades to learn this simple truth.


I know thats why i think you are wondeful..so dont ever worry what anyone will think or say, just be you.flowerforyou
You are great just as you are.:thumbsup:

Dragoness's photo
Wed 04/27/11 07:03 PM


Like I have said the religious feel superior to those who are not therefore they are deserving of living and others are not.

This Noah story shows that in them and shows the creators of the religion wanted people to fear the wrath of their creation.




I don't suppose you have any empirical evidence or some peer-reviewed research to back up that claim, do you?



Yeah, didn't think so.....




It is actually just obvious to those who look and that is good enough.

josie68's photo
Wed 04/27/11 07:06 PM

Like I have said the religious feel superior to those who are not therefore they are deserving of living and others are not.

This Noah story shows that in them and shows the creators of the religion wanted people to fear the wrath of their creation.


Hmmmm I dont know if I am religious, as I dont really like the thought of religious but I am definately someone who believes.
but I do not believe that I am superior to anyone, ...

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 04/27/11 07:10 PM

So, Miles, are you implying that they deserved to drown because they refused to believe an old man who spent 120 years building a boat in the middle of nowhere?

What is the lesson in this story? Is it that we should all be building underground bunkers to protect us from the catastrophes of 2012?

Is the lesson that we should believe every crack pot that claims the world is coming to an end?

OR

Is the lesson that we should listen to the preachers of Christianity no matter how crazy they sound or else suffer a horrible fate?


I think people take from these scriptures whatever they see in them. In fact, the authors of some of these stories may have actually been wise enough to purposefully write these stories precisely in this way.

When I hear most people talk about the story of Noah, they always seem to tell the story as they are one of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. Perhaps that's how they see themselves?

When I read this story I identify with Noah the whole way through. So from my point of view the moral of the story is totally different from the morals that most other people take from this story.

They take from the story that they better STOP what they are doing lest God becomes angry with them and strikes them dead via a flood or whatever.

I take from the story that if I remain true to myself as I always have been God will always protect me from the apparent evil around me and help me escape in a metaphorical ship. And the idea that I take all the animals with me insures me that he will maintain my world as I'm used it to. bigsmile

So I guess what people take from this story depends on how they view themselves.

I view myself as Noah. Period.

Why everyone is feeling so down on themselves is beyond me. They must have some truly deep feelings of guilt. Perhaps they have not kept up with their own expectations of themselves?

I have no clue.

The same thing holds true in the New Testament. I read it as though I would be Jesus' best friend. When Jesus asks people who are without sin to cast the first stone, he's knows that I'm not about to cast the first stone, so it safe to say things like that around me. bigsmile

Seriously. I'm not joking.

Besides WHO was it that told people to throw stones in FIRST PLACE?

Anyone ever stop to THINK about that one? huh



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