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I really thought you claimed to not believe in any Gods. My apologies. Of course, if God's existence as a character is the only reason you'd not claim that God doesn't exist, it seems likely you would deny the existence of a God as a reality. "Massagetrade" ..I can't deny the existence of God as a reality...because that would be a lie since I know that in reality God exist as a character in a book |
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Evidence is not needed. The ONLY one that can prove God to you is yourself. The only one that can prove anything to you is yourself. I can not prove to you planet Earth has gravity less you test it for yourself. I can not prove to you water freezes as a certain degree less you test it yourself. Again, no one can prove to you God is real and or what God is the true God but yourself. Cowboy...evidence is required that God exist beyond a book....it's just that you don't have any evidence..that's why it's called a "belief" .. a belief needs no evidence beyond faith ...the truth does You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water without a book You can not prove anything not immediately right in front of someone without a book. What does it being in a book have to do with anything? Cowboy...I said that God does exist in a book...but there is no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond that book...you said that no evidence is needed...and of course without any evidence is why it can only be nothing more than a "belief" in God Yes I will agree to that particular statement. Faith is a great thing. Faith is the greatest thing/emotion/thought that there is. Without faith you do not have love. Without faith you do not have meaning to life. Reasoning of no love without faith: You love someone, cause you have faith in a further relationship, or you have faith they are not lying to you, or you have faith on many multiple things that bring forth the love. Faith is the first step and the greatest step to everything and anything. |
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I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' BY JOVE I THINK MASSAGETRADE GOT IT well almost ...I said as a character in a book |
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I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' BY JOVE I THINK MASSAGETRADE GOT IT well almost ...I said as a character in a book Yes and you can not prove Abraham Lincoln exists more then a fictional character in a book. You can not prove Einstein exists more then a fictional character. These things are taken as fact for we have put faith in their validity. Without faith in their validity, these people are nothing more then Peter Pan. |
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Evidence is not needed. The ONLY one that can prove God to you is yourself. The only one that can prove anything to you is yourself. I can not prove to you planet Earth has gravity less you test it for yourself. I can not prove to you water freezes as a certain degree less you test it yourself. Again, no one can prove to you God is real and or what God is the true God but yourself. Cowboy...evidence is required that God exist beyond a book....it's just that you don't have any evidence..that's why it's called a "belief" .. a belief needs no evidence beyond faith ...the truth does You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water without a book You can not prove anything not immediately right in front of someone without a book. What does it being in a book have to do with anything? Cowboy...I said that God does exist in a book...but there is no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond that book...you said that no evidence is needed...and of course without any evidence is why it can only be nothing more than a "belief" in God Yes I will agree to that particular statement. Faith is a great thing. Faith is the greatest thing/emotion/thought that there is. Without faith you do not have love. Without faith you do not have meaning to life. Reasoning of no love without faith: You love someone, cause you have faith in a further relationship, or you have faith they are not lying to you, or you have faith on many multiple things that bring forth the love. Faith is the first step and the greatest step to everything and anything. that you need faith to give your life meaning only mean that you need a reason to live...that point to being suicidal |
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I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' BY JOVE I THINK MASSAGETRADE GOT IT well almost ...I said as a character in a book Yes and you can not prove Abraham Lincoln exists more then a fictional character in a book. You can not prove Einstein exists more then a fictional character. These things are taken as fact for we have put faith in their validity. Without faith in their validity, these people are nothing more then Peter Pan. Cowboy...are you disputing that people exist .. also Abraham lincoln nor Einstein ever made a claim of being an invisible creator of the universe ..... if so you would think they were delusional |
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Evidence is not needed. The ONLY one that can prove God to you is yourself. The only one that can prove anything to you is yourself. I can not prove to you planet Earth has gravity less you test it for yourself. I can not prove to you water freezes as a certain degree less you test it yourself. Again, no one can prove to you God is real and or what God is the true God but yourself. Cowboy...evidence is required that God exist beyond a book....it's just that you don't have any evidence..that's why it's called a "belief" .. a belief needs no evidence beyond faith ...the truth does You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water without a book You can not prove anything not immediately right in front of someone without a book. What does it being in a book have to do with anything? Cowboy...I said that God does exist in a book...but there is no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond that book...you said that no evidence is needed...and of course without any evidence is why it can only be nothing more than a "belief" in God Yes I will agree to that particular statement. Faith is a great thing. Faith is the greatest thing/emotion/thought that there is. Without faith you do not have love. Without faith you do not have meaning to life. Reasoning of no love without faith: You love someone, cause you have faith in a further relationship, or you have faith they are not lying to you, or you have faith on many multiple things that bring forth the love. Faith is the first step and the greatest step to everything and anything. that you need faith to give your life meaning only mean that you need a reason to live...that point to being suicidal That doesn't point to suicidal, less you're saying everyone is suicidal. Everyone has a reasoning on why they choose to live. Weather it's for their children, for themselves, for any multiple different reasonings. And without faith in accomplishing these things, why would someone then embark on doing these things? |
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Evidence is not needed. The ONLY one that can prove God to you is yourself. The only one that can prove anything to you is yourself. I can not prove to you planet Earth has gravity less you test it for yourself. I can not prove to you water freezes as a certain degree less you test it yourself. Again, no one can prove to you God is real and or what God is the true God but yourself. Cowboy...evidence is required that God exist beyond a book....it's just that you don't have any evidence..that's why it's called a "belief" .. a belief needs no evidence beyond faith ...the truth does You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water without a book You can not prove anything not immediately right in front of someone without a book. What does it being in a book have to do with anything? Cowboy...I said that God does exist in a book...but there is no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond that book...you said that no evidence is needed...and of course without any evidence is why it can only be nothing more than a "belief" in God Yes I will agree to that particular statement. Faith is a great thing. Faith is the greatest thing/emotion/thought that there is. Without faith you do not have love. Without faith you do not have meaning to life. Reasoning of no love without faith: You love someone, cause you have faith in a further relationship, or you have faith they are not lying to you, or you have faith on many multiple things that bring forth the love. Faith is the first step and the greatest step to everything and anything. that you need faith to give your life meaning only mean that you need a reason to live...that point to being suicidal That doesn't point to suicidal, less you're saying everyone is suicidal. Everyone has a reasoning on why they choose to live. Weather it's for their children, for themselves, for any multiple different reasonings. And without faith in accomplishing these things, why would someone then embark on doing these things? Cowboy..sure people may have a reason to live...but you are claiming that your reason to live is faith ....so the question becomes ...without faith would you then kill yourself? |
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I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' BY JOVE I THINK MASSAGETRADE GOT IT well almost ...I said as a character in a book Yes and you can not prove Abraham Lincoln exists more then a fictional character in a book. You can not prove Einstein exists more then a fictional character. These things are taken as fact for we have put faith in their validity. Without faith in their validity, these people are nothing more then Peter Pan. Cowboy...are you disputing that people exist .. also Abraham lincoln nor Einstein ever made a claim of being an invisible creator of the universe ..... if so you would think they were delusional That was not the point AT ALL. People claim there is no proof for Jesus outside the bible. Well there's not proof for anything outside of different books on things beyond 100 years or so. So why does one point out specifically the bible as then not holding validity when in reality anything beyond say 100 or so years only has validity through a book or some form of documentation as such. |
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Evidence is not needed. The ONLY one that can prove God to you is yourself. The only one that can prove anything to you is yourself. I can not prove to you planet Earth has gravity less you test it for yourself. I can not prove to you water freezes as a certain degree less you test it yourself. Again, no one can prove to you God is real and or what God is the true God but yourself. Cowboy...evidence is required that God exist beyond a book....it's just that you don't have any evidence..that's why it's called a "belief" .. a belief needs no evidence beyond faith ...the truth does You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water without a book You can not prove anything not immediately right in front of someone without a book. What does it being in a book have to do with anything? Cowboy...I said that God does exist in a book...but there is no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond that book...you said that no evidence is needed...and of course without any evidence is why it can only be nothing more than a "belief" in God Yes I will agree to that particular statement. Faith is a great thing. Faith is the greatest thing/emotion/thought that there is. Without faith you do not have love. Without faith you do not have meaning to life. Reasoning of no love without faith: You love someone, cause you have faith in a further relationship, or you have faith they are not lying to you, or you have faith on many multiple things that bring forth the love. Faith is the first step and the greatest step to everything and anything. that you need faith to give your life meaning only mean that you need a reason to live...that point to being suicidal That doesn't point to suicidal, less you're saying everyone is suicidal. Everyone has a reasoning on why they choose to live. Weather it's for their children, for themselves, for any multiple different reasonings. And without faith in accomplishing these things, why would someone then embark on doing these things? Cowboy..sure people may have a reason to live...but you are claiming that your reason to live is faith ....so the question becomes ...without faith would you then kill yourself? No I'm claiming EVERYONE'S reasoning to live is through faith. Faith isn't associated to religion beliefs in specifics. Faith is associated to everything and anything. Faith is hope, faith is goals, faith is desire, faith is drive that pushes you. That's why people do commit suicide. They no longer have faith in their life. They no longer have faith that their life will get better, thus they kill themselves to get it over with. |
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I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' BY JOVE I THINK MASSAGETRADE GOT IT well almost ...I said as a character in a book Yes and you can not prove Abraham Lincoln exists more then a fictional character in a book. You can not prove Einstein exists more then a fictional character. These things are taken as fact for we have put faith in their validity. Without faith in their validity, these people are nothing more then Peter Pan. Cowboy...are you disputing that people exist .. also Abraham lincoln nor Einstein ever made a claim of being an invisible creator of the universe ..... if so you would think they were delusional That was not the point AT ALL. People claim there is no proof for Jesus outside the bible. Well there's not proof for anything outside of different books on things beyond 100 years or so. So why does one point out specifically the bible as then not holding validity when in reality anything beyond say 100 or so years only has validity through a book or some form of documentation as such. Cowboy...just admit that you have no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond being a character in a book .....use your faith to tell the truth |
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Evidence is not needed. The ONLY one that can prove God to you is yourself. The only one that can prove anything to you is yourself. I can not prove to you planet Earth has gravity less you test it for yourself. I can not prove to you water freezes as a certain degree less you test it yourself. Again, no one can prove to you God is real and or what God is the true God but yourself. Cowboy...evidence is required that God exist beyond a book....it's just that you don't have any evidence..that's why it's called a "belief" .. a belief needs no evidence beyond faith ...the truth does You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water without a book You can not prove anything not immediately right in front of someone without a book. What does it being in a book have to do with anything? Cowboy...I said that God does exist in a book...but there is no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond that book...you said that no evidence is needed...and of course without any evidence is why it can only be nothing more than a "belief" in God Yes I will agree to that particular statement. Faith is a great thing. Faith is the greatest thing/emotion/thought that there is. Without faith you do not have love. Without faith you do not have meaning to life. Reasoning of no love without faith: You love someone, cause you have faith in a further relationship, or you have faith they are not lying to you, or you have faith on many multiple things that bring forth the love. Faith is the first step and the greatest step to everything and anything. that you need faith to give your life meaning only mean that you need a reason to live...that point to being suicidal That doesn't point to suicidal, less you're saying everyone is suicidal. Everyone has a reasoning on why they choose to live. Weather it's for their children, for themselves, for any multiple different reasonings. And without faith in accomplishing these things, why would someone then embark on doing these things? Cowboy..sure people may have a reason to live...but you are claiming that your reason to live is faith ....so the question becomes ...without faith would you then kill yourself? No I'm claiming EVERYONE'S reasoning to live is through faith. Faith isn't associated to religion beliefs in specifics. Faith is associated to everything and anything. Faith is hope, faith is goals, faith is desire, faith is drive that pushes you. That's why people do commit suicide. They no longer have faith in their life. They no longer have faith that their life will get better, thus they kill themselves to get it over with. Cowboy....you are the one that made the claim that your reason to live was faith ...so again..if you didn't have faith...would you kill yourself ... |
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I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' BY JOVE I THINK MASSAGETRADE GOT IT well almost ...I said as a character in a book Yes and you can not prove Abraham Lincoln exists more then a fictional character in a book. You can not prove Einstein exists more then a fictional character. These things are taken as fact for we have put faith in their validity. Without faith in their validity, these people are nothing more then Peter Pan. Cowboy...are you disputing that people exist .. also Abraham lincoln nor Einstein ever made a claim of being an invisible creator of the universe ..... if so you would think they were delusional That was not the point AT ALL. People claim there is no proof for Jesus outside the bible. Well there's not proof for anything outside of different books on things beyond 100 years or so. So why does one point out specifically the bible as then not holding validity when in reality anything beyond say 100 or so years only has validity through a book or some form of documentation as such. Cowboy...just admit that you have no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond being a character in a book .....use your faith to tell the truth Funches... just admit that you have no indisputable evidence that the world is round beyond someone's fantasy in a book. Admit that you have no indisputable evidence that the world is covered by a good majority in water beyond someone's fantasy in a book. I don't have to prove God exists beyond a book. Why should I? |
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I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' BY JOVE I THINK MASSAGETRADE GOT IT well almost ...I said as a character in a book Yes and you can not prove Abraham Lincoln exists more then a fictional character in a book. You can not prove Einstein exists more then a fictional character. These things are taken as fact for we have put faith in their validity. Without faith in their validity, these people are nothing more then Peter Pan. Cowboy...are you disputing that people exist .. also Abraham lincoln nor Einstein ever made a claim of being an invisible creator of the universe ..... if so you would think they were delusional That was not the point AT ALL. People claim there is no proof for Jesus outside the bible. Well there's not proof for anything outside of different books on things beyond 100 years or so. So why does one point out specifically the bible as then not holding validity when in reality anything beyond say 100 or so years only has validity through a book or some form of documentation as such. Cowboy...just admit that you have no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond being a character in a book .....use your faith to tell the truth Funches... just admit that you have no indisputable evidence that the world is round beyond someone's fantasy in a book. Admit that you have no indisputable evidence that the world is covered by a good majority in water beyond someone's fantasy in a book. I don't have to prove God exists beyond a book. Why should I? well the reality is...you can't ..I think I've proved my point |
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Evidence is not needed. The ONLY one that can prove God to you is yourself. The only one that can prove anything to you is yourself. I can not prove to you planet Earth has gravity less you test it for yourself. I can not prove to you water freezes as a certain degree less you test it yourself. Again, no one can prove to you God is real and or what God is the true God but yourself. Cowboy...evidence is required that God exist beyond a book....it's just that you don't have any evidence..that's why it's called a "belief" .. a belief needs no evidence beyond faith ...the truth does You can not prove the world is round beyond a book. You can not prove the world is covered by a lot of water without a book You can not prove anything not immediately right in front of someone without a book. What does it being in a book have to do with anything? Cowboy...I said that God does exist in a book...but there is no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond that book...you said that no evidence is needed...and of course without any evidence is why it can only be nothing more than a "belief" in God Yes I will agree to that particular statement. Faith is a great thing. Faith is the greatest thing/emotion/thought that there is. Without faith you do not have love. Without faith you do not have meaning to life. Reasoning of no love without faith: You love someone, cause you have faith in a further relationship, or you have faith they are not lying to you, or you have faith on many multiple things that bring forth the love. Faith is the first step and the greatest step to everything and anything. that you need faith to give your life meaning only mean that you need a reason to live...that point to being suicidal That doesn't point to suicidal, less you're saying everyone is suicidal. Everyone has a reasoning on why they choose to live. Weather it's for their children, for themselves, for any multiple different reasonings. And without faith in accomplishing these things, why would someone then embark on doing these things? Cowboy..sure people may have a reason to live...but you are claiming that your reason to live is faith ....so the question becomes ...without faith would you then kill yourself? No I'm claiming EVERYONE'S reasoning to live is through faith. Faith isn't associated to religion beliefs in specifics. Faith is associated to everything and anything. Faith is hope, faith is goals, faith is desire, faith is drive that pushes you. That's why people do commit suicide. They no longer have faith in their life. They no longer have faith that their life will get better, thus they kill themselves to get it over with. Cowboy....you are the one that made the claim that your reason to live was faith ...so again..if you didn't have faith...would you kill yourself ... Yes, if I had no faith at all in my life, what would be the point in living? Would you not kill yourself if you had no faith? If you had no faith that you'd get the money to pay the bills, no faith that you'll ever find a loved one to spend your life with, no faith that your life would ever amount to anything, no faith that you'd keep your home. Again, faith is much much more then anything to do specifically with religious matters. |
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I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' BY JOVE I THINK MASSAGETRADE GOT IT well almost ...I said as a character in a book Yes and you can not prove Abraham Lincoln exists more then a fictional character in a book. You can not prove Einstein exists more then a fictional character. These things are taken as fact for we have put faith in their validity. Without faith in their validity, these people are nothing more then Peter Pan. Cowboy...are you disputing that people exist .. also Abraham lincoln nor Einstein ever made a claim of being an invisible creator of the universe ..... if so you would think they were delusional That was not the point AT ALL. People claim there is no proof for Jesus outside the bible. Well there's not proof for anything outside of different books on things beyond 100 years or so. So why does one point out specifically the bible as then not holding validity when in reality anything beyond say 100 or so years only has validity through a book or some form of documentation as such. Cowboy...just admit that you have no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond being a character in a book .....use your faith to tell the truth Funches... just admit that you have no indisputable evidence that the world is round beyond someone's fantasy in a book. Admit that you have no indisputable evidence that the world is covered by a good majority in water beyond someone's fantasy in a book. I don't have to prove God exists beyond a book. Why should I? well the reality is...you can't ..I think I've proved my point And what was your point? Who's trying to prove God? Dude, we're just having a discussion. This isn't a competition, this isn't a contest, this isn't anything more then mere discussion. No one's trying to prove anything. You do seem to be trying to disprove God, which I can not understand. For one can not prove God, nor can one disprove God. We're here for purely enlightened discussion. Again, nothing can be proven or disproved about God. |
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Yes, if I had no faith at all in my life, what would be the point in living? Would you not kill yourself if you had no faith? If you had no faith that you'd get the money to pay the bills, no faith that you'll ever find a loved one to spend your life with, no faith that your life would ever amount to anything, no faith that you'd keep your home. Again, faith is much much more then anything to do specifically with religious matters. wow Cowboy...your post is so sad...now you included money into the equation as to why you would kill yourself .....jeez why not go live in the forest......there you won't need any money..you can eat squirrels and berries |
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I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' BY JOVE I THINK MASSAGETRADE GOT IT well almost ...I said as a character in a book Yes and you can not prove Abraham Lincoln exists more then a fictional character in a book. You can not prove Einstein exists more then a fictional character. These things are taken as fact for we have put faith in their validity. Without faith in their validity, these people are nothing more then Peter Pan. Cowboy...are you disputing that people exist .. also Abraham lincoln nor Einstein ever made a claim of being an invisible creator of the universe ..... if so you would think they were delusional That was not the point AT ALL. People claim there is no proof for Jesus outside the bible. Well there's not proof for anything outside of different books on things beyond 100 years or so. So why does one point out specifically the bible as then not holding validity when in reality anything beyond say 100 or so years only has validity through a book or some form of documentation as such. Cowboy...just admit that you have no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond being a character in a book .....use your faith to tell the truth Funches... just admit that you have no indisputable evidence that the world is round beyond someone's fantasy in a book. Admit that you have no indisputable evidence that the world is covered by a good majority in water beyond someone's fantasy in a book. I don't have to prove God exists beyond a book. Why should I? well the reality is...you can't ..I think I've proved my point And what was your point? Who's trying to prove God? Dude, we're just having a discussion. This isn't a competition, this isn't a contest, this isn't anything more then mere discussion. No one's trying to prove anything. You do seem to be trying to disprove God, which I can not understand. For one can not prove God, nor can one disprove God. We're here for purely enlightened discussion. Again, nothing can be proven or disproved about God. wow Cowboy...if this is just a discussion...then couldn't it been that I was discussing how I've proved my point...let's face it...you have no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond being a character in a book ....all I did was asked you to admit that you don't ....is it so hard for you to just admit to the truth .....is this the way of the christian or is it just your way |
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Yes, if I had no faith at all in my life, what would be the point in living? Would you not kill yourself if you had no faith? If you had no faith that you'd get the money to pay the bills, no faith that you'll ever find a loved one to spend your life with, no faith that your life would ever amount to anything, no faith that you'd keep your home. Again, faith is much much more then anything to do specifically with religious matters. wow Cowboy...your post is so sad...now you included money into the equation as to why you would kill yourself .....jeez why not go live in the forest......there you won't need any money..you can eat squirrels and berries What would be the reasoning? If I had no faith at all, I would have no faith in finding food, no faith in finding shelter, no faith that I would even live till the next day. |
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I think Funches was saying 'you can't prove God exists as more than a fictional character in a book' BY JOVE I THINK MASSAGETRADE GOT IT well almost ...I said as a character in a book Yes and you can not prove Abraham Lincoln exists more then a fictional character in a book. You can not prove Einstein exists more then a fictional character. These things are taken as fact for we have put faith in their validity. Without faith in their validity, these people are nothing more then Peter Pan. Cowboy...are you disputing that people exist .. also Abraham lincoln nor Einstein ever made a claim of being an invisible creator of the universe ..... if so you would think they were delusional That was not the point AT ALL. People claim there is no proof for Jesus outside the bible. Well there's not proof for anything outside of different books on things beyond 100 years or so. So why does one point out specifically the bible as then not holding validity when in reality anything beyond say 100 or so years only has validity through a book or some form of documentation as such. Cowboy...just admit that you have no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond being a character in a book .....use your faith to tell the truth Funches... just admit that you have no indisputable evidence that the world is round beyond someone's fantasy in a book. Admit that you have no indisputable evidence that the world is covered by a good majority in water beyond someone's fantasy in a book. I don't have to prove God exists beyond a book. Why should I? well the reality is...you can't ..I think I've proved my point And what was your point? Who's trying to prove God? Dude, we're just having a discussion. This isn't a competition, this isn't a contest, this isn't anything more then mere discussion. No one's trying to prove anything. You do seem to be trying to disprove God, which I can not understand. For one can not prove God, nor can one disprove God. We're here for purely enlightened discussion. Again, nothing can be proven or disproved about God. wow Cowboy...if this is just a discussion...then couldn't it been that I was discussing how I've proved my point...let's face it...you have no undisputable evidence that God exist beyond being a character in a book ....all I did was asked you to admit that you don't ....is it so hard for you to just admit to the truth .....is this the way of the christian or is it just your way No, I'll admit there is entirely no evidence outside the bible that proves God. And there is entirely no evidence that disproves it either. The creations of this world are built around THEORIES. Or in simple terms, Educated Guesses. |
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