Also about disagreeing:

You automatically disagree without even thinking about the other point of view at all. If it does not fit exactly your own point of view you automatically reject it and 'disagree' with it WITHOUT THOUGHT OR CONSIDERATION.

Which proves that you don't listen or consider it in the slightest.

??? Didn't say anything defensive.

I automatically disagree because I already have my whole-heartedly faith. I know without one inkling of doubt that Jesus is lord.

It is only offensive if you decide to take offense. If you know you are right, then you would not be offended in the slightest. If you are happy and satisfied with what you believe you would not be offended.

I know, I have been there. I no longer get offended when people make fun of my beliefs. (I have some weird ones too.) But I really don't care, nor do I take it personal. I know everyone has their own opinion, and other people's opinions do not offend me in the slightest, even if their opinion is about me personally. I don't give a crap.

The reason you are offended is because you have doubts about what you think you believe.

No, you apparently have doubts or else you would not be offended. You would be smug that you know the truth and everyone else is an idiot.

So, no, I don't believe that you know without one inkling of doubt. YOU HAVE DOUBTS.

Oh dear me, Cowboy, you have so much to learn....

It is great that you have a strong Faith, but other people also have their opinions and if you want them to listen to yours , you must consider theirs..

Gosh it is just cool to not agree but to happily except the others opinion,

This is the definition of Preach in my Dictionary,


preach
   [preech]

–verb (used with object)

1
to deliver a sermon.

2
to give earnest advice, as on religious or moral subjects or the like.
3
to do this in an obtrusive or tedious way.

I think that what you are doing is Number 2.. so really what you do is preaching, not that it matters one way or the other, it is great to preach Gods word, its something to be proud of if youhave Faith and follow him, thats what you are asked to do..

Number 3 is what I have always beleived to be preaching..

So really it doesnt matter it can be lots of different things, so lets just talk and listen and have fun.

You don't even listen to your own self.

You defended my claim that you are not listening with this statement:

"Just because one doesn't agree doesn't mean they aren't listening."


THAT is being defensive.

Okay you automatically disagree with anyone who has an opinion different from yours, and you don't listen or consider what anyone else is telling you... you just disagree.

Then you state what you believe. <---that is the sermon.

Then you continue to disagree and fail to listen and consider any other opinions.

That is NOT "having a discussion."

Then you repeatedly over and over and over claim that you are "only having a discussion."

No you are not. A discussion requires you to LISTEN.

A discussion requires you to consider what is being said.

You don't do either.

THEN you claim that you want to LEARN SOMETHING.

But you can't learn this one simple thing.

If you believe you are really having a discussion..and not preaching.... then you are only fooling yourself. You are not fooling anyone else.

You demean your own beliefs Cowboy by attempting to use your beliefs to belittle other people.

No one belittles your beliefs.

They just offer their own views on ancient stories. And if there view is that an ancient story amounts to nothing more than fables, whilst you believe those same stories to be true, then you just have two different views.

You demand that the other person's view is belittling your views is nonsense.

If you were permitted to make that claim, then you could go around demanding that everyone who doesn't believe in your religion is insulting and belittling your beliefs.

Obviously that's utterly ridiculous.

And there is NOTHING WRONG WITH PREACHING.

But don't try to pass it off as "having a discussion."

And it is nice if you have a receptive audience, which in this thread I doubt that you do. This thread is for real discussions.

Real discussions involve listening, considering, offering evidence if its debate etc.

Truly,

In fact most honest preachers only preach to people who are open to hearing what they have to say. They realize that it's just wasted energy to preach to people who have already been convinced otherwise.




How does that make any sense after you have also stated the following:



What is it that you expect to "learn" if you already believe to know the truth without one inkling of doubt?

Well I would be happy if he could learn the difference between preaching and having a discussion or if he would realize or learn that he is NOT LISTENING OR CONSIDERING anything that anyone else has to say.

He can keep his beliefs, but I don't see how he will learn anything at all if he does not learn to listen.

I left this thread a few days ago because I was tired of reading him claiming that he was only having a discussion and that he was not preaching and two days later he is repeating the same thing over again.

It seems like he would get tired of that, or ask himself what is going on....really.

I can understand how some people can be so totally self-centric to not even realize that they aren't participating in communication, but something that concerns me much more is when people go off the deep end believing that just because they have convinced themselves that a demigod had actually existed, that somehow gives them the right to speak for the demigod and that there mere believe in that demigod somehow gives their interpretations of ancient scriptures more credibility that anyone else's interpretations.

I just pointed out in this thread that Jesus himself was confused and inconsistent about things he supposedly said himself (if we can believe that the scriptures correctly reflect his quotes):

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/302162

Yet Cowboy can't seem to grasp the problem much less discuss it.

This raises huge questions of what Jesus himself even stood for. Doesn't really matter whether anyone believes he was a real character or not. Either the scriptures are flawed, or extremely poorly written fables, or Jesus himself was confused and unsure of what position he actually wanted to take.

So there are some serious problems with the whole story regardless of whether Jesus actually existed or not.

All Cowboy wants to do is to continue to justify his views that anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus will somehow justifiably be damned.

But that position totally missed the point of the DISCUSSION altogether.

Hmmmm I think this is really easily settled.

Ok if we all believe one common thing and that is.

Now repeat it after me....



JOSIE... IS ALWAYS RIGHT...

OK now I feel better..

Hmm at least the topic was different for one second..

Oh maybe two depending on how quicky we read..

I do consider other's beliefs. I do not call other people's beliefs hear-say-rumors, lies, make believe, fairy tells, ect.

That is what has become offensive in this forum, just in reverse rolls. None believers of the Christian faith giving those forms of insults.

Then stop preaching please.......... cause if that was a sermon, EVERYONE in this forum is preaching their beliefs. That is what we are here to do, state what we believe. Not to make the other's believe as we do, just merely have discussion. A sermon is where a "preacher" gives information, that is that. No "discussion" about it.

No one uses any beliefs to belittle anyone else. We're here again to discuss our different beliefs. If you do not agree with this or that belief, that is fine. But it again, becomes insulting when one puts the other's beliefs on a fairy tail level.

Oh but I do listen and consider it, does not mean I agree with the belief. But I do listen. I disagree with other beliefs, yes. But I don't deny other's beliefs. Just say they are not mine and I BELIEVE them to be false.

oooooooooooh ok, if we must >.>...... Josie is always right.

Oh My Gosh, I am going to love you forever..

finally someone who agrees with me.